Is our MSNBC telling us what we should know-?

TheGreenHornet

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It's not 'our MSNBC'.
It's the DNC's MSNBC. :rock:
MSNBC: We tell you what we want you to know
OAN, FOX, NewsMAX, Gateway Pundit, Briebart etc

We fabricate, what we want you to know.

Which one is really better? Leaving out news, or fabricating news? :dunno:
How did you become this stupid?
So are you claiming OAN, NEWSMAX, Briebart, the Gateway Pundit etc gives you actual, verifiable News?

And you call me stupid? Okee dokee! :lol: :thup:
List me one example of any of them reporting a fake news story.
 

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Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
 

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As an American citizen in my 70’s who has relied on MSNBC news between 5:00-12:00pm CST. for the past 10-15 years

Here in America, I am watching our new President doing what Presidents do.
While at the same time the above is happening I stumble on this-------
My news source did not mention the following.

Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack
Vessel and crew of Israeli-owned ship, the MV HELIOS RAY, are safe, officials say, as reason behind the explosion remains unclear
Amos Harel
Yaniv Kubovich
Reuters
Feb. 26, 2021 10:00 AM
Updated: Feb. 26, 2021 11:27 AM
Israel estimates ship explosion in Gulf of Oman was Iranian attack - Middle East News - Haaretz.com

As an American I should have been informed.

Sorry, I just can not believe someone could "estimate" about an act of war.

We as a UN body need to take away Israel's toys.
I believe the above is news worthy, who is our MSNBC news leaving this out-?
.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,The above is newsworthy as I see it.
how about you-?
:)-
What do you mean by "take away Israel's toys"? You want "the UN" to forcibly disarm the nation?
:auiqs.jpg:

They would "disarm" by decimating the Middle East.
Who is dis 'dey' you talkin bout boyo.
 

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Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
 

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What do you mean by "take away Israel's toys"? You want "the UN" to forcibly disarm the nation?
No, not at all. America just needs to stop giving Israel $Billion’s in handouts.

After all Israel is not America’s 51 State of the Union, not now; not ever.

In my point of view, as long as Israel complies with the UN members everything should be just fine
in my point of view
:)-
Do you oppose all foreign aid, or just that which goes to Jews?
All of it except immediate disaster relief!
If we stopped supporting Israel it would be an immediate disaster.
 

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Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.
 

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Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?

Not even to mention the arabs sit on top of billions and billions of barrels of oil....why should we be supporting muslims at all?
 

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What do you mean by "take away Israel's toys"? You want "the UN" to forcibly disarm the nation?
No, not at all. America just needs to stop giving Israel $Billion’s in handouts.

After all Israel is not America’s 51 State of the Union, not now; not ever.

In my point of view, as long as Israel complies with the UN members everything should be just fine
in my point of view
:)-
Do you oppose all foreign aid, or just that which goes to Jews?
All of it except immediate disaster relief!
If we stopped supporting Israel it would be an immediate disaster.
For who? Not Americans

Israel is a very small place. There is nothing that matters there
 

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Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.
How many Jews are there in Saudi Arabia's government?
 

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Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.
South Africa is not an apartheid state to begin with.
Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.

Accusing Israel of apartheid is a red herring. If one is talking about Israeli Arabs, the accusation is ridiculous on its face. Israeli Arabs are citizens of Israel with all the rights, but not all the obligations (mainly army service), of Jewish or other non-Muslim Israelis. Israeli Arabs vote in all elections, attend all the universities, have political parties in the Knesset, are a major force in the medical and health services in particular, and can live where they want (with very few exceptions which also apply to non-Arabs). They arguably are the most free Arabs in the Middle East
How many Jews are there in Saudi Arabia's government?
 

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Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.
How many Jews are there in Saudi Arabia's government?
How many Jews do you think lived in saudi arabia to begin with? lol

How many Jews are represented in China? What the fuck kind of question is that? Idiot

Do you think the whole region was ever full of Jews? lol

Ashkenazi Jews are not indigenous to Israel, they're Europeans anyway.
 

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Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.
South Africa is not an apartheid state to begin with.
Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.

Accusing Israel of apartheid is a red herring. If one is talking about Israeli Arabs, the accusation is ridiculous on its face. Israeli Arabs are citizens of Israel with all the rights, but not all the obligations (mainly army service), of Jewish or other non-Muslim Israelis. Israeli Arabs vote in all elections, attend all the universities, have political parties in the Knesset, are a major force in the medical and health services in particular, and can live where they want (with very few exceptions which also apply to non-Arabs). They arguably are the most free Arabs in the Middle East
How many Jews are there in Saudi Arabia's government?
It isn't a red herring, it's apartheid.

Ashkenazi Jews are not indigenous to Israel

Hertzel, the father of modern zionism did not see Jews as indigenous to Israel. It was sold as a European colonial project and the goal was to model Israel on Rhodesia

Another settler colonial state

Any denial of that is absurd and just shows basic ignorance of Israeli history. Which is barely more than a century long.
 

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Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.
South Africa is not an apartheid state to begin with.
Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.

Accusing Israel of apartheid is a red herring. If one is talking about Israeli Arabs, the accusation is ridiculous on its face. Israeli Arabs are citizens of Israel with all the rights, but not all the obligations (mainly army service), of Jewish or other non-Muslim Israelis. Israeli Arabs vote in all elections, attend all the universities, have political parties in the Knesset, are a major force in the medical and health services in particular, and can live where they want (with very few exceptions which also apply to non-Arabs). They arguably are the most free Arabs in the Middle East
How many Jews are there in Saudi Arabia's government?
And for fucks sake quit struggling with the quotes you simple racist cock sucker

can't even figure out how to properly reply and you're talking about how you have a good grasp of history....Yea ok
 

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Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.
South Africa is not an apartheid state to begin with.
Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.

Accusing Israel of apartheid is a red herring. If one is talking about Israeli Arabs, the accusation is ridiculous on its face. Israeli Arabs are citizens of Israel with all the rights, but not all the obligations (mainly army service), of Jewish or other non-Muslim Israelis. Israeli Arabs vote in all elections, attend all the universities, have political parties in the Knesset, are a major force in the medical and health services in particular, and can live where they want (with very few exceptions which also apply to non-Arabs). They arguably are the most free Arabs in the Middle East
How many Jews are there in Saudi Arabia's government?
It isn't a red herring, it's apartheid.

Ashkenazi Jews are not indigenous to Israel

Hertzel, the father of modern zionism did not see Jews as indigenous to Israel. It was sold as a European colonial project and the goal was to model Israel on Rhodesia

Another settler colonial state

Any denial of that is absurd and just shows basic ignorance of Israeli history. Which is barely more than a century long.
Nonsense.....anyhow to clarify what you are trying to say --give us your definition of
Apartheid.

You seem very confused not to mention someone has propagandized you.

Aka.....to model Israel on Rhodesia....where did you get that?
 

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Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.
South Africa is not an apartheid state to begin with.
Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.

Accusing Israel of apartheid is a red herring. If one is talking about Israeli Arabs, the accusation is ridiculous on its face. Israeli Arabs are citizens of Israel with all the rights, but not all the obligations (mainly army service), of Jewish or other non-Muslim Israelis. Israeli Arabs vote in all elections, attend all the universities, have political parties in the Knesset, are a major force in the medical and health services in particular, and can live where they want (with very few exceptions which also apply to non-Arabs). They arguably are the most free Arabs in the Middle East
How many Jews are there in Saudi Arabia's government?
It isn't a red herring, it's apartheid.

Ashkenazi Jews are not indigenous to Israel

Hertzel, the father of modern zionism did not see Jews as indigenous to Israel. It was sold as a European colonial project and the goal was to model Israel on Rhodesia

Another settler colonial state

Any denial of that is absurd and just shows basic ignorance of Israeli history. Which is barely more than a century long.
Nonsense.....anyhow to clarify what you are trying to say --give us your definition of
Apartheid.

You seem very confused not to mention someone has propagandized you.

Aka.....to model Israel on Rhodesia....where did you get that?
From hertzel's writings.....Again the George Washington of Israel

He wrote to Cecil Rhodes to praise him, a british noble if memory serves, the founder of Rhodesia

This is basic israeli history. Those are the beliefs the first aliyah went to Israel with

It was not some home coming. It was the beginning of a settler colonial project by Europeans with a slightly different religious doctrine.
 

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Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.
South Africa is not an apartheid state to begin with.
Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.

Accusing Israel of apartheid is a red herring. If one is talking about Israeli Arabs, the accusation is ridiculous on its face. Israeli Arabs are citizens of Israel with all the rights, but not all the obligations (mainly army service), of Jewish or other non-Muslim Israelis. Israeli Arabs vote in all elections, attend all the universities, have political parties in the Knesset, are a major force in the medical and health services in particular, and can live where they want (with very few exceptions which also apply to non-Arabs). They arguably are the most free Arabs in the Middle East
How many Jews are there in Saudi Arabia's government?
It isn't a red herring, it's apartheid.

Ashkenazi Jews are not indigenous to Israel

Hertzel, the father of modern zionism did not see Jews as indigenous to Israel. It was sold as a European colonial project and the goal was to model Israel on Rhodesia

Another settler colonial state

Any denial of that is absurd and just shows basic ignorance of Israeli history. Which is barely more than a century long.
Nonsense.....anyhow to clarify what you are trying to say --give us your definition of
Apartheid.

You seem very confused not to mention someone has propagandized you.

Aka.....to model Israel on Rhodesia....where did you get that?
From hertzel's writings.....Again the George Washington of Israel

He wrote to Cecil Rhodes to praise him, a british noble if memory serves, the founder of Rhodesia

This is basic israeli history. Those are the beliefs the first aliyah went to Israel with

It was not some home coming. It was the beginning of a settler colonial project by Europeans with a slightly different religious doctrine.
And a former head of their CIA, the shin bet, has called israel an apartheid state

Many others


And we're talking about nationalists calling it an apartheid state. There is just no way to objectively deny it.
You want to talk about Herzl
Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.
South Africa is not an apartheid state to begin with.
Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.

Accusing Israel of apartheid is a red herring. If one is talking about Israeli Arabs, the accusation is ridiculous on its face. Israeli Arabs are citizens of Israel with all the rights, but not all the obligations (mainly army service), of Jewish or other non-Muslim Israelis. Israeli Arabs vote in all elections, attend all the universities, have political parties in the Knesset, are a major force in the medical and health services in particular, and can live where they want (with very few exceptions which also apply to non-Arabs). They arguably are the most free Arabs in the Middle East
How many Jews are there in Saudi Arabia's government?
It isn't a red herring, it's apartheid.

Ashkenazi Jews are not indigenous to Israel

Hertzel, the father of modern zionism did not see Jews as indigenous to Israel. It was sold as a European colonial project and the goal was to model Israel on Rhodesia

Another settler colonial state

Any denial of that is absurd and just shows basic ignorance of Israeli history. Which is barely more than a century long.
Nonsense.....anyhow to clarify what you are trying to say --give us your definition of
Apartheid.

You seem very confused not to mention someone has propagandized you.

Aka.....to model Israel on Rhodesia....where did you get that?
From hertzel's writings.....Again the George Washington of Israel

He wrote to Cecil Rhodes to praise him, a british noble if memory serves, the founder of Rhodesia

This is basic israeli history. Those are the beliefs the first aliyah went to Israel with

It was not some home coming. It was the beginning of a settler colonial project by Europeans with a slightly different religious doctrine.
First of all you do not even know how to spell Herzl's name but be that as it may(you also play fast and loose with the truth) let us talk about Herzl.....some background info......


Theodor (Binyamin Ze’ev) Herzl was the visionary behind modern Zionism and the reinstitution of a Jewish homeland.

Herzl was born in Budapest on May 2, 1860. A giant in Jewish history, he stood just 5'5". He was educated in the spirit of the German-Jewish Enlightenment, and learned to appreciate secular culture. In 1878, the family moved to Vienna and, in 1884 Herzl was awarded a doctorate of law from the University of Vienna. He became a writer, playwright and journalist. The Paris correspondent of the influential liberal Vienna newspaper Neue Freie Presse was none other than Theodor Herzl.

Herzl first encountered the anti-Semitism that would shape his life and the fate of the Jews in the twentieth century while studying at the University of Vienna (1882). Later, during his stay in Paris as a journalist, he was brought face-to-face with the problem. At the time, he regarded the Jewish problem as a social issue and wrote a drama, The Ghetto (1894), in which assimilation and conversion are rejected as solutions. He hoped that The Ghetto would lead to debate and ultimately to a solution, based on mutual tolerance and respect between Christians and Jews.

The Dreyfus Affair
In 1894, Captain Alfred Dreyfus, a Jewish officer in the French army, was unjustly accused of treason, mainly because of the prevailing anti-Semitic atmosphere. Herzl witnessed mobs shouting “Death to the Jews” in France, the home of the French Revolution, and resolved that there was only one solution: the mass immigration of Jews to a land that they could call their own. Thus, the Dreyfus Case became one of the determinants in the genesis of Political Zionism.

Herzl concluded that anti-Semitism was a stable and immutable factor in human society, which assimilation did not solve. He mulled over the idea of Jewish sovereignty, and, despite ridicule from Jewish leaders, published Der Judenstaat (The Jewish State, 1896). Herzl argued that the essence of the Jewish problem was not individual but national. He declared that the Jews could gain acceptance in the world only if they ceased being a national anomaly. The Jews are one people, he said, and their plight could be transformed into a positive force by the establishment of a Jewish state with the consent of the great powers. He saw the Jewish question as an international political question to be dealt with in the arena of international politics.

Herzl proposed a practical program for collecting funds from Jews around the world by a company to be owned by stockholders, which would work toward the practical realization of this goal. (This organization, when it was eventually formed, was called the Zionist Organization.) He saw the future state as a model social state, basing his ideas on the European model of the time, of a modern enlightened society. It would be neutral and peace-seeking, and of a secular nature.

In his Zionist novel, Altneuland (Old New Land, 1902), Herzl pictured the future Jewish state as a socialist utopia. He envisioned a new society that was to rise in the Land of Israel on a cooperative basis utilizing science and technology in the development of the Land.

He included detailed ideas about how he saw the future state’s political structure, immigration, fundraising, diplomatic relations, social laws and relations between religion and the state. In Altneuland, the Jewish state was foreseen as a pluralist, advanced society, a “light unto the nations.” This book had a great impact on the Jews of the time and became a symbol of the Zionist vision in the Land of Israel.

A Movement Is Started
Herzl's ideas were met with enthusiasm by the Jewish masses in Eastern Europe, although Jewish leaders were less ardent. Herzl appealed to wealthy Jews such as Baron Hirsch and Baron Rothschild, to join the national Zionist movement, but in vain. He then appealed to the people, and the result was the convening of the First Zionist Congress in Basle, Switzerland, on August 2931, 1897.

The Congress was the first interterritorial gathering of Jews on a national and secular basis. Here the delegates adopted the Basle Program, the program of the Zionist movement, and declared, “Zionism seeks to establish a home for the Jewish people in Palestine secured under public law.” At the Congress the World Zionist Organization was established as the political arm of the Jewish people, and Herzl was elected its first president.

Herzl convened six Zionist Congresses between 1897 and 1902. It was here that the tools for Zionist activism were forged: Otzar Hityashvut Hayehudim, the Jewish National Fund and the movement’s newspaper Die Welt.

After the First Zionist Congress, the movement met yearly at an international Zionist Congress. In 1936, the center of the Zionist movement was transferred to Jerusalem.

Uganda Isn’t Zion
Herzl saw the need for encouragement by the great powers of the aims of the Jewish people in the Land. Thus, he traveled to the Land of Israel and Istanbul in 1898 to meet with Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany and the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. The meeting with Wilhelm was a failure - the monarch dismissed Herzl’s political entreaties with snide anti-Semitic remarks. When these efforts proved fruitless, he turned to Great Britain, and met with Joseph Chamberlain, the British colonial secretary and others. The only concrete offer he received from the British was the proposal of a Jewish autonomous region in east Africa, in Uganda.

In 1899, in an essay entitled “The Family Affliction” written for The American Hebrew, Herzl wrote, “Anyone who wants to work in behalf of the Jews needs - to use a popular phrase - a strong stomach.”

The 1903, Kishinev pogrom and the difficult state of Russian Jewry, witnessed firsthand by Herzl during a visit to Russia, had a profound effect on him. He requested that the Russian government assist the Zionist Movement to transfer Jews from Russia to Eretz Yisrael.

At the Sixth Zionist Congress (1903), Herzl proposed the British Uganda Program as a temporary refuge for Jews in Russia in immediate danger. While Herzl made it clear that this program would not affect the ultimate aim of Zionism, a Jewish entity in the Land of Israel, the proposal aroused a storm at the Congress and nearly led to a split in the Zionist movement. The Uganda Program was finally rejected by the Zionist movement at the Seventh Zionist Congress in 1905.



Herzl’s books Der Judenstaat (“The Jewish State”) and Altneuland (“Old New Land”), his plays and articles have been published frequently and translated into many languages. His name has been commemorated in the Herzl Forests at Ben Shemen and Hulda, the world's first Hebrew gymnasium — “Herzliya” — which was established in Tel Aviv, the town of Herzliya in the Sharon and neighborhoods and streets in many Israeli towns and cities.

Herzl coined the phrase “If you will, it is no fairytale,” which became the motto of the Zionist movement. Although at the time no one could have imagined it, Zionism led, only fifty years later, to the establishment of the independent State of Israel.

Herzl’s Family
Herzl met his future wife Julie when he was 26 and she was only 18 years old, in 1886. They enjoyed a tumultuous on-again, off-again relationship until they married in 1889, in an Austrian village on the outskirts of Vienna. Two years after their marriage, Herzl moved to Paris for work, leaving Julie behind in Vienna\. Although he was rarely in the same country as his wife during the later years of his life, she was not willing to consider getting divorced and they stayed together. Herzl died in Vienna of pneumonia and a weak heart overworked by his incessant efforts on behalf of Zionism on July 3, 1904. He was just 44-years-old. Julie died three years later at the age of 39. Both were buried in Vienna, but he wrote in his will that he wanted his body, and those of his immediate relatives, moved to the Jewish state he hoped would one day be created. In 1949, Herzl’s remains were brought to Israel and reinterred on Mount Herzl in Jerusalem.

Herzl and his wife Julie, who was prone to mental instability, had three children, each of whom met a terrible end. Their eldest daughter Paulina was a drug addict who died in a French hospital of an apparent morphine overdose. Herzl had failed to have his son Hans circumcised, and the Zionist leadership, following Herzl’s death, saw to it that the oversight be remedied when the boy was 15. Hans later converted to Christianity and shot himself at age 40 in Paris following his sister’s funeral on September 17, 1930. The bodies of Herzl’s parents and sister, as well as Hans and Paulina, were eventually moved to Jerusalem.

Their youngest daughter Trude perished in Theresienstadt. Her son, Herzl’s grandson, Stephen Theodore Norman (born Stephen Neumann), had been sent to England during the war. On November 20, 1946, after learning of the death of his parents, he jumped to his death from the Massachusetts Avenue bridge in Washington, D.C. at the age of 27. In 2007, 60 years later, Norman, was also buried on Mount Herzl.

Sources: Green, David B. “This day in Jewish history: A Zionist makes a very unfortunate marriage,” Haaretz, (June 25, 2015);
Israel: 100 Years Since Herzl's Death, The Jerusalem Report, (July 12, 2004);
Aron Heller, “Herzl’s Grandson Buried in Jerusalem,” Associated Press, (December 5, 2007);
“Hans Herzl, Son of Theodor Herzl, Commits Suicide After Funeral of Sister Paulina,” JTA, (September 18, 1930).



 
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What do you mean by "take away Israel's toys"? You want "the UN" to forcibly disarm the nation?
No, not at all. America just needs to stop giving Israel $Billion’s in handouts.

After all Israel is not America’s 51 State of the Union, not now; not ever.

In my point of view, as long as Israel complies with the UN members everything should be just fine
in my point of view
:)-
Do you oppose all foreign aid, or just that which goes to Jews?
All of it except immediate disaster relief!
If we stopped supporting Israel it would be an immediate disaster.
Not my problem.
 

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Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.
South Africa is not an apartheid state to begin with.
Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.

Accusing Israel of apartheid is a red herring. If one is talking about Israeli Arabs, the accusation is ridiculous on its face. Israeli Arabs are citizens of Israel with all the rights, but not all the obligations (mainly army service), of Jewish or other non-Muslim Israelis. Israeli Arabs vote in all elections, attend all the universities, have political parties in the Knesset, are a major force in the medical and health services in particular, and can live where they want (with very few exceptions which also apply to non-Arabs). They arguably are the most free Arabs in the Middle East
How many Jews are there in Saudi Arabia's government?
It isn't a red herring, it's apartheid.

Ashkenazi Jews are not indigenous to Israel

Hertzel, the father of modern zionism did not see Jews as indigenous to Israel. It was sold as a European colonial project and the goal was to model Israel on Rhodesia

Another settler colonial state

Any denial of that is absurd and just shows basic ignorance of Israeli history. Which is barely more than a century long.
Nonsense.....anyhow to clarify what you are trying to say --give us your definition of
Apartheid.

You seem very confused not to mention someone has propagandized you.

Aka.....to model Israel on Rhodesia....where did you get that?
From hertzel's writings.....Again the George Washington of Israel

He wrote to Cecil Rhodes to praise him, a british noble if memory serves, the founder of Rhodesia

This is basic israeli history. Those are the beliefs the first aliyah went to Israel with

It was not some home coming. It was the beginning of a settler colonial project by Europeans with a slightly different religious doctrine.
And a former head of their CIA, the shin bet, has called israel an apartheid state

Many others


And we're talking about nationalists calling it an apartheid state. There is just no way to objectively deny it.
You want to talk about Herzl
Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.
South Africa is not an apartheid state to begin with.
Israel Estimates Ship Explosion in Gulf of Oman Was Iranian Attack


As an American I should have been informed.


Oh yeah, why is that? You don't own Israel. And you don't own Oman. You don't own Iran. You don't live in any of the 3 places. In fact, they're an ocean and then some away from you.

So why do they owe it to you to personally deliver a Newspaper on your front lawn with their daily news?
...You say that like our highest foreign aid budget doesn't go to Israel

And we don't sell arms to Oman
now for the truth.....last year we gave Israel 3.3billion but we gave muslim nations over 8 billion.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE US GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIES? AND WHO’S GETTING THE MOST?
There is always a lag time for reporting accurate numbers, so for 2021, we’ll be using the numbers from 2019. In this year, the United States spent over $47 billion in foreign aid (on par with what it spent in 2018). Just over 35% of that budget went to just ten countries:

  1. Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
  2. Israel ($3.3 billion)
  3. Jordan ($1.72 billion)
  4. Egypt ($1.46 billion)
  5. Iraq ($960 million)
  6. Ethiopia ($922 million)
  7. Yemen ($809 million)
  8. Colombia ($800 million)
  9. Nigeria ($793 million)
  10. Lebanon ($790 million)
Oh ok Afghanistan which we occupy gets more

....?

Idiot
Why did you ignore all the other muslim nations we send money to?
because it's in american interests to keep the muslim states propped up?

Israel's existence does nothing for us but piss the Muslims off. And us subsidizing makes it worse?

Not to mention none of the others are settler colonial state running an apartheid scheme?

What exactly do you hink the salient difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is? I assure you there isn't one.

Accusing Israel of apartheid is a red herring. If one is talking about Israeli Arabs, the accusation is ridiculous on its face. Israeli Arabs are citizens of Israel with all the rights, but not all the obligations (mainly army service), of Jewish or other non-Muslim Israelis. Israeli Arabs vote in all elections, attend all the universities, have political parties in the Knesset, are a major force in the medical and health services in particular, and can live where they want (with very few exceptions which also apply to non-Arabs). They arguably are the most free Arabs in the Middle East
How many Jews are there in Saudi Arabia's government?
It isn't a red herring, it's apartheid.

Ashkenazi Jews are not indigenous to Israel

Hertzel, the father of modern zionism did not see Jews as indigenous to Israel. It was sold as a European colonial project and the goal was to model Israel on Rhodesia

Another settler colonial state

Any denial of that is absurd and just shows basic ignorance of Israeli history. Which is barely more than a century long.
Nonsense.....anyhow to clarify what you are trying to say --give us your definition of
Apartheid.

You seem very confused not to mention someone has propagandized you.

Aka.....to model Israel on Rhodesia....where did you get that?
From hertzel's writings.....Again the George Washington of Israel

He wrote to Cecil Rhodes to praise him, a british noble if memory serves, the founder of Rhodesia

This is basic israeli history. Those are the beliefs the first aliyah went to Israel with

It was not some home coming. It was the beginning of a settler colonial project by Europeans with a slightly different religious doctrine.
First of all you do not even know how to spell Herzl's name but be that as it may(you also play fast and loose with the truth) let us talk about Herzl.....some background info......


Theodor (Binyamin Ze’ev) Herzl was the visionary behind modern Zionism and the reinstitution of a Jewish homeland.

Herzl was born in Budapest on May 2, 1860. A giant in Jewish history, he stood just 5'5". He was educated in the spirit of the German-Jewish Enlightenment, and learned to appreciate secular culture. In 1878, the family moved to Vienna and, in 1884 Herzl was awarded a doctorate of law from the University of Vienna. He became a writer, playwright and journalist. The Paris correspondent of the influential liberal Vienna newspaper Neue Freie Presse was none other than Theodor Herzl.

Herzl first encountered the anti-Semitism that would shape his life and the fate of the Jews in the twentieth century while studying at the University of Vienna (1882). Later, during his stay in Paris as a journalist, he was brought face-to-face with the problem. At the time, he regarded the Jewish problem as a social issue and wrote a drama, The Ghetto (1894), in which assimilation and conversion are rejected as solutions. He hoped that The Ghetto would lead to debate and ultimately to a solution, based on mutual tolerance and respect between Christians and Jews.

The Dreyfus Affair
In 1894, Captain Alfred Dreyfus, a Jewish officer in the French army, was unjustly accused of treason, mainly because of the prevailing anti-Semitic atmosphere. Herzl witnessed mobs shouting “Death to the Jews” in France, the home of the French Revolution, and resolved that there was only one solution: the mass immigration of Jews to a land that they could call their own. Thus, the Dreyfus Case became one of the determinants in the genesis of Political Zionism.

Herzl concluded that anti-Semitism was a stable and immutable factor in human society, which assimilation did not solve. He mulled over the idea of Jewish sovereignty, and, despite ridicule from Jewish leaders, published Der Judenstaat (The Jewish State, 1896). Herzl argued that the essence of the Jewish problem was not individual but national. He declared that the Jews could gain acceptance in the world only if they ceased being a national anomaly. The Jews are one people, he said, and their plight could be transformed into a positive force by the establishment of a Jewish state with the consent of the great powers. He saw the Jewish question as an international political question to be dealt with in the arena of international politics.

Herzl proposed a practical program for collecting funds from Jews around the world by a company to be owned by stockholders, which would work toward the practical realization of this goal. (This organization, when it was eventually formed, was called the Zionist Organization.) He saw the future state as a model social state, basing his ideas on the European model of the time, of a modern enlightened society. It would be neutral and peace-seeking, and of a secular nature.

In his Zionist novel, Altneuland (Old New Land, 1902), Herzl pictured the future Jewish state as a socialist utopia. He envisioned a new society that was to rise in the Land of Israel on a cooperative basis utilizing science and technology in the development of the Land.

He included detailed ideas about how he saw the future state’s political structure, immigration, fundraising, diplomatic relations, social laws and relations between religion and the state. In Altneuland, the Jewish state was foreseen as a pluralist, advanced society, a “light unto the nations.” This book had a great impact on the Jews of the time and became a symbol of the Zionist vision in the Land of Israel.

A Movement Is Started
Herzl's ideas were met with enthusiasm by the Jewish masses in Eastern Europe, although Jewish leaders were less ardent. Herzl appealed to wealthy Jews such as Baron Hirsch and Baron Rothschild, to join the national Zionist movement, but in vain. He then appealed to the people, and the result was the convening of the First Zionist Congress in Basle, Switzerland, on August 2931, 1897.

The Congress was the first interterritorial gathering of Jews on a national and secular basis. Here the delegates adopted the Basle Program, the program of the Zionist movement, and declared, “Zionism seeks to establish a home for the Jewish people in Palestine secured under public law.” At the Congress the World Zionist Organization was established as the political arm of the Jewish people, and Herzl was elected its first president.

Herzl convened six Zionist Congresses between 1897 and 1902. It was here that the tools for Zionist activism were forged: Otzar Hityashvut Hayehudim, the Jewish National Fund and the movement’s newspaper Die Welt.

After the First Zionist Congress, the movement met yearly at an international Zionist Congress. In 1936, the center of the Zionist movement was transferred to Jerusalem.

Uganda Isn’t Zion
Herzl saw the need for encouragement by the great powers of the aims of the Jewish people in the Land. Thus, he traveled to the Land of Israel and Istanbul in 1898 to meet with Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany and the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. The meeting with Wilhelm was a failure - the monarch dismissed Herzl’s political entreaties with snide anti-Semitic remarks. When these efforts proved fruitless, he turned to Great Britain, and met with Joseph Chamberlain, the British colonial secretary and others. The only concrete offer he received from the British was the proposal of a Jewish autonomous region in east Africa, in Uganda.

In 1899, in an essay entitled “The Family Affliction” written for The American Hebrew, Herzl wrote, “Anyone who wants to work in behalf of the Jews needs - to use a popular phrase - a strong stomach.”

The 1903, Kishinev pogrom and the difficult state of Russian Jewry, witnessed firsthand by Herzl during a visit to Russia, had a profound effect on him. He requested that the Russian government assist the Zionist Movement to transfer Jews from Russia to Eretz Yisrael.

At the Sixth Zionist Congress (1903), Herzl proposed the British Uganda Program as a temporary refuge for Jews in Russia in immediate danger. While Herzl made it clear that this program would not affect the ultimate aim of Zionism, a Jewish entity in the Land of Israel, the proposal aroused a storm at the Congress and nearly led to a split in the Zionist movement. The Uganda Program was finally rejected by the Zionist movement at the Seventh Zionist Congress in 1905.



Herzl’s books Der Judenstaat (“The Jewish State”) and Altneuland (“Old New Land”), his plays and articles have been published frequently and translated into many languages. His name has been commemorated in the Herzl Forests at Ben Shemen and Hulda, the world's first Hebrew gymnasium — “Herzliya” — which was established in Tel Aviv, the town of Herzliya in the Sharon and neighborhoods and streets in many Israeli towns and cities.

Herzl coined the phrase “If you will, it is no fairytale,” which became the motto of the Zionist movement. Although at the time no one could have imagined it, Zionism led, only fifty years later, to the establishment of the independent State of Israel.

Herzl’s Family
Herzl met his future wife Julie when he was 26 and she was only 18 years old, in 1886. They enjoyed a tumultuous on-again, off-again relationship until they married in 1889, in an Austrian village on the outskirts of Vienna. Two years after their marriage, Herzl moved to Paris for work, leaving Julie behind in Vienna\. Although he was rarely in the same country as his wife during the later years of his life, she was not willing to consider getting divorced and they stayed together. Herzl died in Vienna of pneumonia and a weak heart overworked by his incessant efforts on behalf of Zionism on July 3, 1904. He was just 44-years-old. Julie died three years later at the age of 39. Both were buried in Vienna, but he wrote in his will that he wanted his body, and those of his immediate relatives, moved to the Jewish state he hoped would one day be created. In 1949, Herzl’s remains were brought to Israel and reinterred on Mount Herzl in Jerusalem.

Herzl and his wife Julie, who was prone to mental instability, had three children, each of whom met a terrible end. Their eldest daughter Paulina was a drug addict who died in a French hospital of an apparent morphine overdose. Herzl had failed to have his son Hans circumcised, and the Zionist leadership, following Herzl’s death, saw to it that the oversight be remedied when the boy was 15. Hans later converted to Christianity and shot himself at age 40 in Paris following his sister’s funeral on September 17, 1930. The bodies of Herzl’s parents and sister, as well as Hans and Paulina, were eventually moved to Jerusalem.

Their youngest daughter Trude perished in Theresienstadt. Her son, Herzl’s grandson, Stephen Theodore Norman (born Stephen Neumann), had been sent to England during the war. On November 20, 1946, after learning of the death of his parents, he jumped to his death from the Massachusetts Avenue bridge in Washington, D.C. at the age of 27. In 2007, 60 years later, Norman, was also buried on Mount Herzl.

Sources: Green, David B. “This day in Jewish history: A Zionist makes a very unfortunate marriage,” Haaretz, (June 25, 2015);
Israel: 100 Years Since Herzl's Death, The Jerusalem Report, (July 12, 2004);
Aron Heller, “Herzl’s Grandson Buried in Jerusalem,” Associated Press, (December 5, 2007);
“Hans Herzl, Son of Theodor Herzl, Commits Suicide After Funeral of Sister Paulina,” JTA, (September 18, 1930).



I don't know what you think any of that proves..../

It's good that you could google some basic facts?

Yes they considered Uganda....That cuts against your point you fucking dope

Still a settler colonial state with an apartheid scheme.
 

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