Is Obama concerned about the safety of America?

[PredFan]

There are thousands of West Africans fleeing their Ebola stricken countries, who are risking bringing with them the very deadly Ebola virus. However, Obama won't impose a travel ban. Why, you ask? According to Thomas Friedman “If we try to eliminate travel, the possibility that some will travel over land, will come from other places and we don’t know that they’re coming in, will mean that we won’t be able to do multiple things.” Friedman added, "Borders can be porous, especially in this part of the world."(1) The thing is, a travel ban would stop land travel too. It doesn't matter by what means these people get here by. You have to remember, Obama gets his advice from people such as Friedman.

Does Obama care more about maintaining the porosity of our borders than the health and welfare of American citizens? This is not a matter of liberty, this is a matter of safety. Nearly 4,000 of our men and women; belonging to the 101st Airborne Division headquarters, 101st Sustainment Brigade, 86th Combat Support Hospital, 44th Medical Brigade, and 16th Military Police Brigade are being sent to those Ebola stricken countries to build hospitals, provide medical care, and logistics support to the Liberian government. Apparently it seems, he believes our troops are more effective operating under the pall of a deadly disease, rather than on the battlefield.

Yet here on the home front, we have literally no protocol for handling this problem. Well, we did, until Obama scrapped the CDC Ebola protocol in 2010(2). Still there's no travel ban in the near future, only Obama's idea of combating the problem: with an "Ebola Czar" (add that to the list of 35 other 'Czars' he has installed since 2009).

In a meeting with his advisors, at the Oval Office of the White House concerning the need for a travel ban, Obama stated, "I don’t have a philosophical objection necessarily to a travel ban if that is the thing that is going to keep the American people safe ... the problem is that in all the discussions I’ve had, thus far, with experts in the field … is that a travel ban is less effective than the measures we are currently instituting."(3)

Why not then, does the President not act on his 'philosophy;' rather than on the whims of his advisors? Everyone in America is calling for one, both sides of congress and the American people; yet he remains stubborn. Obama's stubbornness and complacency will only get people killed.

He went on saying, “If we institute a travel ban instead of the protocols we put into place now, history shows that there is a likelihood of increased avoidance. People do not readily disclose their information, they may engage in something called broken travel — essentially breaking up their trip so that they can hide the fact they have been to one of these countries were the disease is in place. And as a result, we may end up getting less information about who has the disease, they are less likely to get treated properly, screened properly, quarantined properly, and as a consequence we may end up having more cases rather than less."

Contrary to Obama's version of 'history' an example of what could happen if this Ebola threat is not countered immediately, was in Northern Zaire. In 1976, 318 people contracted the virus, 280 of them died (4). Another instance occurred most presciently 25 years ago in 1989, in the town of Reston, Va; when dozens of monkeys imported from the Philippines suddenly died of the disease in the Hazelton Research Products' primate quarantine unit near Washington Dulles International Airport (5). The strain turned out not to be lethal to humans, but brought to light the lethality the ebolavirus presented to the American populous.

On a lighter but still serious note, Obama beamed that he had 'hugged and kissed' nurses who were still treating a doctor with at Emory University Hospital when he visited on September 16 (6). It was a week earlier on September 9, that this selfsame doctor was admitted and quarantined after being diagnosed (7). I couldn't help but notice how little he cares, not only for our health and welfare as Americans, but for his own it appears. He simply just doesn't care anymore.


Links (in chronological order, starting from top to bottom):

1. CDC chief Porous borders in Africa would undermine travel ban - Bob King - POLITICO.com

2. Ebola in the U.S. Stricter travel quarantine practices dropped by Obama admin. in 2010 - Washington Times

3. Obama I don t have a philosophical objection necessarily to a travel ban - Reuters

4. Ebola haemorrahagic fever in Zaire, 1976 - Bulletin of the World Health Organization, 56 (2): 271-293 (1978)

5. 25 years ago a different Ebola outbreak - in USA - USA Today

6. Obama I Hugged And Kissed Nurses Treating Ebola Patients In Atlanta - Huffington Post

7. Third Ebola Patient At Emory Hospital - Business Insider

That guy is a fucking moron. He's wrong in so many ways I don't even know where to start.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Oh! He's embarrassed!

 

[PredFan]

"Obama doesn't care about the safety of American citizens, or his own it seems"

This fails as a straw man fallacy, as you seek to misrepresent your opponents' position with contrivances and lies.

Yet you don't prove how I am doing so, nor do you prove how my assertions are based on contrivances or lies. Your post is a non sequitur as it doesn't even attempt to address the topic.

Click on the little red words next time.

Go away.

Your very title is an unproven statement and on face value a lie, why should any sane person then read numerous paragraphs of distortions, half truths and lies??

Funny you should say that. Ironic even. Since the rest of his post was quoting liberal nonsense.

 

[rightwinger]

There are thousands of West Africans fleeing their Ebola stricken countries, who are risking bringing with them the very deadly Ebola virus. However, Obama won't impose a travel ban. Why, you ask? According to Thomas Friedman “If we try to eliminate travel, the possibility that some will travel over land, will come from other places and we don’t know that they’re coming in, will mean that we won’t be able to do multiple things.” Friedman added, "Borders can be porous, especially in this part of the world."(1) The thing is, a travel ban would stop land travel too. It doesn't matter by what means these people get here by. You have to remember, Obama gets his advice from people such as Friedman.

Does Obama care more about maintaining the porosity of our borders than the health and welfare of American citizens? This is not a matter of liberty, this is a matter of safety. Nearly 4,000 of our men and women; belonging to the 101st Airborne Division headquarters, 101st Sustainment Brigade, 86th Combat Support Hospital, 44th Medical Brigade, and 16th Military Police Brigade are being sent to those Ebola stricken countries to build hospitals, provide medical care, and logistics support to the Liberian government. Apparently it seems, he believes our troops are more effective operating under the pall of a deadly disease, rather than on the battlefield.

Yet here on the home front, we have literally no protocol for handling this problem. Well, we did, until Obama scrapped the CDC Ebola protocol in 2010(2). Still there's no travel ban in the near future, only Obama's idea of combating the problem: with an "Ebola Czar" (add that to the list of 35 other 'Czars' he has installed since 2009).

In a meeting with his advisors, at the Oval Office of the White House concerning the need for a travel ban, Obama stated, "I don’t have a philosophical objection necessarily to a travel ban if that is the thing that is going to keep the American people safe ... the problem is that in all the discussions I’ve had, thus far, with experts in the field … is that a travel ban is less effective than the measures we are currently instituting."(3)

Why not then, does the President not act on his 'philosophy;' rather than on the whims of his advisors? Everyone in America is calling for one, both sides of congress and the American people; yet he remains stubborn. Obama's stubbornness and complacency will only get people killed.

He went on saying, “If we institute a travel ban instead of the protocols we put into place now, history shows that there is a likelihood of increased avoidance. People do not readily disclose their information, they may engage in something called broken travel — essentially breaking up their trip so that they can hide the fact they have been to one of these countries were the disease is in place. And as a result, we may end up getting less information about who has the disease, they are less likely to get treated properly, screened properly, quarantined properly, and as a consequence we may end up having more cases rather than less."

Contrary to Obama's version of 'history' an example of what could happen if this Ebola threat is not countered immediately, was in Northern Zaire. In 1976, 318 people contracted the virus, 280 of them died (4). Another instance occurred most presciently 25 years ago in 1989, in the town of Reston, Va; when dozens of monkeys imported from the Philippines suddenly died of the disease in the Hazelton Research Products' primate quarantine unit near Washington Dulles International Airport (5). The strain turned out not to be lethal to humans, but brought to light the lethality the ebolavirus presented to the American populous.

On a lighter but still serious note, Obama beamed that he had 'hugged and kissed' nurses who were still treating a doctor with at Emory University Hospital when he visited on September 16 (6). It was a week earlier on September 9, that this selfsame doctor was admitted and quarantined after being diagnosed (7). I couldn't help but notice how little he cares, not only for our health and welfare as Americans, but for his own it appears. He simply just doesn't care anymore.


Links (in chronological order, starting from top to bottom):

1. CDC chief Porous borders in Africa would undermine travel ban - Bob King - POLITICO.com

2. Ebola in the U.S. Stricter travel quarantine practices dropped by Obama admin. in 2010 - Washington Times

3. Obama I don t have a philosophical objection necessarily to a travel ban - Reuters

4. Ebola haemorrahagic fever in Zaire, 1976 - Bulletin of the World Health Organization, 56 (2): 271-293 (1978)

5. 25 years ago a different Ebola outbreak - in USA - USA Today

6. Obama I Hugged And Kissed Nurses Treating Ebola Patients In Atlanta - Huffington Post

7. Third Ebola Patient At Emory Hospital - Business Insider

Not banning flights from the Ebola Hot zones is madness its like we want Ebola here.

Why?

With tens of thousands of people flying from those countries to airports around the world, why aren't we seeing a global epidemic? Screen people for signs and if they are clean, let them fly. What about Americans in those countries? You just want to leave them there?

I am not saying that but if we had blocked off flights from West Africa to begin with, this whole Ebola scare would be non existant. What other Western country has cases of Ebola now besides us? its embarassing.

We had one case and the guy died. Two became infected and are still alive.
Far from an epidemic
West Africa has tens of millions of people of which a few thousand are infected. CDC evaluates how wide spread the disease is and how it is spread to do a risk assessment
So far the risk does not warrant a shut down

The CDC have seemed to have their heads up their asses until this point.

Maybe so, but they are the best at what they do
Nowhere in the world has better qualified experts

 

[Rotagilla]

Not banning flights from the Ebola Hot zones is madness its like we want Ebola here.

Why?

With tens of thousands of people flying from those countries to airports around the world, why aren't we seeing a global epidemic? Screen people for signs and if they are clean, let them fly. What about Americans in those countries? You just want to leave them there?

I am not saying that but if we had blocked off flights from West Africa to begin with, this whole Ebola scare would be non existant. What other Western country has cases of Ebola now besides us? its embarassing.

We had one case and the guy died. Two became infected and are still alive.
Far from an epidemic
West Africa has tens of millions of people of which a few thousand are infected. CDC evaluates how wide spread the disease is and how it is spread to do a risk assessment
So far the risk does not warrant a shut down

The CDC have seemed to have their heads up their asses until this point.

Maybe so, but they are the best at what they do
Nowhere in the world has better qualified experts

meaningless, unsupported proclamations don't = fact.

 

[rightwinger]

Why?

With tens of thousands of people flying from those countries to airports around the world, why aren't we seeing a global epidemic? Screen people for signs and if they are clean, let them fly. What about Americans in those countries? You just want to leave them there?

I am not saying that but if we had blocked off flights from West Africa to begin with, this whole Ebola scare would be non existant. What other Western country has cases of Ebola now besides us? its embarassing.

We had one case and the guy died. Two became infected and are still alive.
Far from an epidemic
West Africa has tens of millions of people of which a few thousand are infected. CDC evaluates how wide spread the disease is and how it is spread to do a risk assessment
So far the risk does not warrant a shut down

The CDC have seemed to have their heads up their asses until this point.

Maybe so, but they are the best at what they do
Nowhere in the world has better qualified experts

meaningless, unsupported proclamations don't = fact.

You are welcome to provide examples that prove me wrong

 

[NYcarbineer]

There are thousands of West Africans fleeing their Ebola stricken countries, who are risking bringing with them the very deadly Ebola virus. However, Obama won't impose a travel ban. Why, you ask? According to Thomas Friedman “If we try to eliminate travel, the possibility that some will travel over land, will come from other places and we don’t know that they’re coming in, will mean that we won’t be able to do multiple things.” Friedman added, "Borders can be porous, especially in this part of the world."(1) The thing is, a travel ban would stop land travel too. It doesn't matter by what means these people get here by. You have to remember, Obama gets his advice from people such as Friedman.

Does Obama care more about maintaining the porosity of our borders than the health and welfare of American citizens? This is not a matter of liberty, this is a matter of safety. Nearly 4,000 of our men and women; belonging to the 101st Airborne Division headquarters, 101st Sustainment Brigade, 86th Combat Support Hospital, 44th Medical Brigade, and 16th Military Police Brigade are being sent to those Ebola stricken countries to build hospitals, provide medical care, and logistics support to the Liberian government. Apparently it seems, he believes our troops are more effective operating under the pall of a deadly disease, rather than on the battlefield.

Yet here on the home front, we have literally no protocol for handling this problem. Well, we did, until Obama scrapped the CDC Ebola protocol in 2010(2). Still there's no travel ban in the near future, only Obama's idea of combating the problem: with an "Ebola Czar" (add that to the list of 35 other 'Czars' he has installed since 2009).

In a meeting with his advisors, at the Oval Office of the White House concerning the need for a travel ban, Obama stated, "I don’t have a philosophical objection necessarily to a travel ban if that is the thing that is going to keep the American people safe ... the problem is that in all the discussions I’ve had, thus far, with experts in the field … is that a travel ban is less effective than the measures we are currently instituting."(3)

Why not then, does the President not act on his 'philosophy;' rather than on the whims of his advisors? Everyone in America is calling for one, both sides of congress and the American people; yet he remains stubborn. Obama's stubbornness and complacency will only get people killed.

He went on saying, “If we institute a travel ban instead of the protocols we put into place now, history shows that there is a likelihood of increased avoidance. People do not readily disclose their information, they may engage in something called broken travel — essentially breaking up their trip so that they can hide the fact they have been to one of these countries were the disease is in place. And as a result, we may end up getting less information about who has the disease, they are less likely to get treated properly, screened properly, quarantined properly, and as a consequence we may end up having more cases rather than less."

Contrary to Obama's version of 'history' an example of what could happen if this Ebola threat is not countered immediately, was in Northern Zaire. In 1976, 318 people contracted the virus, 280 of them died (4). Another instance occurred most presciently 25 years ago in 1989, in the town of Reston, Va; when dozens of monkeys imported from the Philippines suddenly died of the disease in the Hazelton Research Products' primate quarantine unit near Washington Dulles International Airport (5). The strain turned out not to be lethal to humans, but brought to light the lethality the ebolavirus presented to the American populous.

On a lighter but still serious note, Obama beamed that he had 'hugged and kissed' nurses who were still treating a doctor with at Emory University Hospital when he visited on September 16 (6). It was a week earlier on September 9, that this selfsame doctor was admitted and quarantined after being diagnosed (7). I couldn't help but notice how little he cares, not only for our health and welfare as Americans, but for his own it appears. He simply just doesn't care anymore.


Links (in chronological order, starting from top to bottom):

1. CDC chief Porous borders in Africa would undermine travel ban - Bob King - POLITICO.com

2. Ebola in the U.S. Stricter travel quarantine practices dropped by Obama admin. in 2010 - Washington Times

3. Obama I don t have a philosophical objection necessarily to a travel ban - Reuters

4. Ebola haemorrahagic fever in Zaire, 1976 - Bulletin of the World Health Organization, 56 (2): 271-293 (1978)

5. 25 years ago a different Ebola outbreak - in USA - USA Today

6. Obama I Hugged And Kissed Nurses Treating Ebola Patients In Atlanta - Huffington Post

7. Third Ebola Patient At Emory Hospital - Business Insider

Not banning flights from the Ebola Hot zones is madness its like we want Ebola here.

Why?

With tens of thousands of people flying from those countries to airports around the world, why aren't we seeing a global epidemic? Screen people for signs and if they are clean, let them fly. What about Americans in those countries? You just want to leave them there?

I am not saying that but if we had blocked off flights from West Africa to begin with, this whole Ebola scare would be non existant. What other Western country has cases of Ebola now besides us? its embarassing.

We had one case and the guy died. Two became infected and are still alive.
Far from an epidemic
West Africa has tens of millions of people of which a few thousand are infected. CDC evaluates how wide spread the disease is and how it is spread to do a risk assessment
So far the risk does not warrant a shut down

So Obama is doing a bit better than Reagan did with AIDs...