Debate Now Is Libertarianism UnAmerican?

[Kevin_Kennedy]

you act as though I'm supposed to be bothered refuting every crackpot post you make up next.

Ironic!

Yeah, see, it's not.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Once again, we have people sitting in judgement of others......calling them un-American (which they can't define).

If anything was un-American....it is just that. Simply meaning miserably intolerant of anything that does not follow their POV.

 

[thanatos144]

Once again, we have people sitting in judgement of others......calling them un-American (which they can't define).

If anything was un-American....it is just that. Simply meaning miserably intolerant of anything that does not follow their POV.

You just described libertarian and progressive to a tee.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Once again, we have people sitting in judgement of others......calling them un-American (which they can't define).

If anything was un-American....it is just that. Simply meaning miserably intolerant of anything that does not follow their POV.

You just described libertarian and progressive to a tee.

I am not aware that libertarians chronically attack those who don't agree with them.

They'd be awfully busy if that were the case.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Still looking for what qualifies a political philosophy as unAmerican.

 

[thanatos144]

Once again, we have people sitting in judgement of others......calling them un-American (which they can't define).

If anything was un-American....it is just that. Simply meaning miserably intolerant of anything that does not follow their POV.

You just described libertarian and progressive to a tee.

I am not aware that libertarians chronically attack those who don't agree with them.

They'd be awfully busy if that were the case.

Lmao really? What the fuck do you think you have been doing in this thread?

 

[dblack]

Once again, we have people sitting in judgement of others......calling them un-American (which they can't define).

If anything was un-American....it is just that. Simply meaning miserably intolerant of anything that does not follow their POV.

You just described libertarian and progressive to a tee.

I am not aware that libertarians chronically attack those who don't agree with them.

They'd be awfully busy if that were the case.

Lmao really? What the fuck do you think you have been doing in this thread?

Debating. Disagreeing. Questioning. Does that feel like an attack to you?

 

[thanatos144]

Once again, we have people sitting in judgement of others......calling them un-American (which they can't define).

If anything was un-American....it is just that. Simply meaning miserably intolerant of anything that does not follow their POV.

You just described libertarian and progressive to a tee.

I am not aware that libertarians chronically attack those who don't agree with them.

They'd be awfully busy if that were the case.

Lmao really? What the fuck do you think you have been doing in this thread?

Debating. Disagreeing. Questioning. Does that feel like an attack to you?

How you do it is attacking. You guys are just like progressives. Must be all the simular ideological stances you have

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Once again, we have people sitting in judgement of others......calling them un-American (which they can't define).

If anything was un-American....it is just that. Simply meaning miserably intolerant of anything that does not follow their POV.

You just described libertarian and progressive to a tee.

I am not aware that libertarians chronically attack those who don't agree with them.

They'd be awfully busy if that were the case.

If anything, Thanatos is worse on just about everything than Derideo. Not worth your time.

 

[thanatos144]

Once again, we have people sitting in judgement of others......calling them un-American (which they can't define).

If anything was un-American....it is just that. Simply meaning miserably intolerant of anything that does not follow their POV.

You just described libertarian and progressive to a tee.

I am not aware that libertarians chronically attack those who don't agree with them.

They'd be awfully busy if that were the case.

If anything, Thanatos is worse on just about everything than Derideo. Not worth your time.

Can't debate it so personally slander me? See just like a progressive

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Once again, we have people sitting in judgement of others......calling them un-American (which they can't define).

If anything was un-American....it is just that. Simply meaning miserably intolerant of anything that does not follow their POV.

You just described libertarian and progressive to a tee.

I am not aware that libertarians chronically attack those who don't agree with them.

They'd be awfully busy if that were the case.

If anything, Thanatos is worse on just about everything than Derideo. Not worth your time.

Can't debate it so personally slander me? See just like a progressive

Just like a person bored by years of your nonsense, but look at you projecting just like progressives. And conservatives. And people in general.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Once again, we have people sitting in judgement of others......calling them un-American (which they can't define).

If anything was un-American....it is just that. Simply meaning miserably intolerant of anything that does not follow their POV.

You just described libertarian and progressive to a tee.

I am not aware that libertarians chronically attack those who don't agree with them.

They'd be awfully busy if that were the case.

Lmao really? What the fuck do you think you have been doing in this thread?

Asking for (and not getting) a definition of unAmerican.

What I've said is that calling another political philosophy unAmerican is actually unAmerican.

UnAmerican means intolerant of other forms of thought. It does NOT mean you have to accept them or even like them.

UnAmerican means you speak for others and somehow you see yourself in a position to judge.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Once again, we have people sitting in judgement of others......calling them un-American (which they can't define).

If anything was un-American....it is just that. Simply meaning miserably intolerant of anything that does not follow their POV.

You just described libertarian and progressive to a tee.

I am not aware that libertarians chronically attack those who don't agree with them.

They'd be awfully busy if that were the case.

Lmao really? What the fuck do you think you have been doing in this thread?

Debating. Disagreeing. Questioning. Does that feel like an attack to you?

How you do it is attacking. You guys are just like progressives. Must be all the simular ideological stances you have

The libertarians (I am not one) are simply defending their philosophy against an unwarrented claim.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

From the OP:

Taxation is another Libertarian pipe dream. The refuse to pay for anything that doesn't directly benefit them. So when they refuse to pay taxes to repair roads there are accidents that not only cost lives but impact the efficiency of corporations to receive raw materials and deliver finished goods. There are countless examples along these lines.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I can only assume that there is evidence that libertarians near universally refuse to pay established taxes and are in jail.

Or was the statement that they won't support new taxes ?

The claim is that they refuse to pay for anything that does not directly benefit them.

I am sure we'll get some links showing them being escorted to jail.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

From the OP:

Taxation is another Libertarian pipe dream. The refuse to pay for anything that doesn't directly benefit them. So when they refuse to pay taxes to repair roads there are accidents that not only cost lives but impact the efficiency of corporations to receive raw materials and deliver finished goods. There are countless examples along these lines.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I can only assume that there is evidence that libertarians near universally refuse to pay established taxes and are in jail.

Or was the statement that they won't support new taxes ?

The claim is that they refuse to pay for anything that does not directly benefit them.

I am sure we'll get some links showing them being escorted to jail.

I pay my extortion money because I don't want to be violently kidnapped.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

From the OP:

Taxation is another Libertarian pipe dream. The refuse to pay for anything that doesn't directly benefit them. So when they refuse to pay taxes to repair roads there are accidents that not only cost lives but impact the efficiency of corporations to receive raw materials and deliver finished goods. There are countless examples along these lines.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I can only assume that there is evidence that libertarians near universally refuse to pay established taxes and are in jail.

Or was the statement that they won't support new taxes ?

The claim is that they refuse to pay for anything that does not directly benefit them.

I am sure we'll get some links showing them being escorted to jail.

I pay my extortion money because I don't want to be violently kidnapped.

I expect you don't refuse to pay legally established taxes.

I don't know if that is what the OP was saying or not.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

From the OP:

Taxation is another Libertarian pipe dream. The refuse to pay for anything that doesn't directly benefit them. So when they refuse to pay taxes to repair roads there are accidents that not only cost lives but impact the efficiency of corporations to receive raw materials and deliver finished goods. There are countless examples along these lines.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I can only assume that there is evidence that libertarians near universally refuse to pay established taxes and are in jail.

Or was the statement that they won't support new taxes ?

The claim is that they refuse to pay for anything that does not directly benefit them.

I am sure we'll get some links showing them being escorted to jail.

I pay my extortion money because I don't want to be violently kidnapped.

I expect you don't refuse to pay legally established taxes.

I don't know if that is what the OP was saying or not.

The same way I wouldn't refuse to pay any common criminal with a gun who told me it's my money or my life.

 

[dblack]

From the OP:

Taxation is another Libertarian pipe dream. The refuse to pay for anything that doesn't directly benefit them. So when they refuse to pay taxes to repair roads there are accidents that not only cost lives but impact the efficiency of corporations to receive raw materials and deliver finished goods. There are countless examples along these lines.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I can only assume that there is evidence that libertarians near universally refuse to pay established taxes and are in jail.

Or was the statement that they won't support new taxes ?

The claim is that they refuse to pay for anything that does not directly benefit them.

I am sure we'll get some links showing them being escorted to jail.

I pay my extortion money because I don't want to be violently kidnapped.

I expect you don't refuse to pay legally established taxes.

I don't know if that is what the OP was saying or not.

The disagreement would be in the claim that libertarians refuse to pay for anything that doesn't directly benefit them - suggesting that we're short-sighted or fail to appreciate indirect benefit - which isn't true. What libertarians are opposed to is coercion. We're opposed to the idea that government, even if it represents the will of the majority, should decide what is beneficial and force us to pay for it even if we disagree.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

From the OP:

Taxation is another Libertarian pipe dream. The refuse to pay for anything that doesn't directly benefit them. So when they refuse to pay taxes to repair roads there are accidents that not only cost lives but impact the efficiency of corporations to receive raw materials and deliver finished goods. There are countless examples along these lines.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I can only assume that there is evidence that libertarians near universally refuse to pay established taxes and are in jail.

Or was the statement that they won't support new taxes ?

The claim is that they refuse to pay for anything that does not directly benefit them.

I am sure we'll get some links showing them being escorted to jail.

I pay my extortion money because I don't want to be violently kidnapped.

I expect you don't refuse to pay legally established taxes.

I don't know if that is what the OP was saying or not.

The disagreement would be in the claim that libertarians refuse to pay for anything that doesn't directly benefit them - suggesting that we're short-sighted or fail to appreciate indirect benefit - which isn't true. What libertarians are opposed to is coercion. We're opposed to the idea that government, even if it represents the will of the majority, should decide what is beneficial and force us to pay for it even if we disagree.

I am not sure of this wording.

If the will of the people dictates taxes...then we all pay taxes, including libertarians.

The claim that you don't is garbage (if that is actually the claim).

I would agree that the claim that libertarians don't want to pay anything that does not directly benefit them is also false.

 

[dblack]

From the OP:

Taxation is another Libertarian pipe dream. The refuse to pay for anything that doesn't directly benefit them. So when they refuse to pay taxes to repair roads there are accidents that not only cost lives but impact the efficiency of corporations to receive raw materials and deliver finished goods. There are countless examples along these lines.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I can only assume that there is evidence that libertarians near universally refuse to pay established taxes and are in jail.

Or was the statement that they won't support new taxes ?

The claim is that they refuse to pay for anything that does not directly benefit them.

I am sure we'll get some links showing them being escorted to jail.

I pay my extortion money because I don't want to be violently kidnapped.

I expect you don't refuse to pay legally established taxes.

I don't know if that is what the OP was saying or not.

The disagreement would be in the claim that libertarians refuse to pay for anything that doesn't directly benefit them - suggesting that we're short-sighted or fail to appreciate indirect benefit - which isn't true. What libertarians are opposed to is coercion. We're opposed to the idea that government, even if it represents the will of the majority, should decide what is beneficial and force us to pay for it even if we disagree.

I am not sure of this wording.

If the will of the people dictates taxes...then we all pay taxes, including libertarians.

The claim that you don't is garbage (if that is actually the claim).

I would agree that the claim that libertarians don't want to pay anything that does not directly benefit them is also false.

Agreed. Most libertarians recognize the indirect benefits of altruism and social responsibility. They just balk at forcing it on people via government.