Debate Now Is Libertarianism UnAmerican?

[Sun Devil 92]

False data, sundevil, try again. My arguments are unassailable by concrete learner like you, who is allied to wide eyed in the sky ideology that is a recipe for disaster.

Your arguments are unassailable ?

I rank your post funny.

What arguments ?

You simply quoted something. I gave you the rest of the quote and you fall on your face.

I'd say try again, but truthfully I don't want you to waste your time and it is doubtful I'll read many more of your one liners.

 

[Derideo_Te]

219

Yet another facile response that does not provide any facts to support your position.

That is what makes this thread so useless.

I don't have a position on this. I simply pointed out what your own facts said.

You've called Libertarianism Un-American. I really don't care what you think of Libertarianism as a philosophy. But it really is interesting to see someone put themselves in a position to pass judgement on something like a political philosophy and offer up no guidelines for the general classification that so adamantly defend.

Keep it up. I hope someone really gives a flying fig about what you have to say.

That you have to jump through hoops to gainsay the OP says volumes.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Quite the opposite. Every single Libertarian response in this thread proves it.

I can, and have, made a sound conservative case for why government social programs are necessary and more effective than anything ever done by the private sector.

Only in your dreams.

Thank you for just proving me 100% right about the inability of Libertarians to defend their unAmerican dogma.

 

[Derideo_Te]

My biggest (and growing) concern is that people like you have feeble arguments that really carry no weight whatsoever.

Ironic!

 

[Sun Devil 92]

219
That is what makes this thread so useless.

I don't have a position on this. I simply pointed out what your own facts said.

You've called Libertarianism Un-American. I really don't care what you think of Libertarianism as a philosophy. But it really is interesting to see someone put themselves in a position to pass judgement on something like a political philosophy and offer up no guidelines for the general classification that so adamantly defend.

Keep it up. I hope someone really gives a flying fig about what you have to say.

That you have to jump through hoops to gainsay the OP says volumes.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Quite the opposite. Every single Libertarian response in this thread proves it.

I can, and have, made a sound conservative case for why government social programs are necessary and more effective than anything ever done by the private sector.

Only in your dreams.

Thank you for just proving me 100% right about the inability of Libertarians to defend their unAmerican dogma.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

219
That is what makes this thread so useless.

I don't have a position on this. I simply pointed out what your own facts said.

You've called Libertarianism Un-American. I really don't care what you think of Libertarianism as a philosophy. But it really is interesting to see someone put themselves in a position to pass judgement on something like a political philosophy and offer up no guidelines for the general classification that so adamantly defend.

Keep it up. I hope someone really gives a flying fig about what you have to say.

That you have to jump through hoops to gainsay the OP says volumes.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Quite the opposite. Every single Libertarian response in this thread proves it.

I can, and have, made a sound conservative case for why government social programs are necessary and more effective than anything ever done by the private sector.

Only in your dreams.

Thank you for just proving me 100% right about the inability of Libertarians to defend their unAmerican dogma.

Thank you for continuing to prove me right that you're unable to define "un-American" in any way other than "I don't like it."

 

[Derideo_Te]

Anyone want some actual hard evidence of Libertarianism in action destroying government social welfare programs?

Missouri Senate Overrides Veto Of Welfare Restrictions Bill

The Missouri Senate voted on Monday to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a bill that severely restricts welfare eligibility, potentially cutting benefits to thousands of low-income families.

Nixon, a Democrat, on Thursday vetoed the bill, which calls for reducing the time families may receive aid from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program from five years to three years and nine months. It also would impose strict work requirements.

The Republican-controlled state Senate voted 25-9 to override the veto the bill. The bill now goes to the Republican-dominated state House.

Nixon described the bill as "a misguided measure that punishes children." The Missouri Department of Social Services estimates the restrictions would cut benefits for more than 3,155 families, including 6,400 children.

Missouri is among states where legislators this year have considered bills that would curb welfare benefits. In Kansas, the state legislature passed a bill last month that restricts welfare recipients to withdrawing $25 a day on benefits cards, which can be used like debit cards at ATMs. They cannot use the cards at banks -- only at ATMs -- and may only spend the $25 in certain locations. Kansas is the only state limiting cash withdrawals.​

Kansas To Impose Unprecedented Restriction On Welfare Recipients ThinkProgress

While one of the backers of the bill asserted that recipients could take out more at a bank counter, the cards can’t be used at counters and many poor people lack access to bank accounts given the need to maintain balances and pay fees. Seventeen million Americans are unbanked, going without formal financial products. Meanwhile, during debate over the bill state Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau (D) pointed out that many recipients need to withdraw hundreds of dollars some days in order to be able to pay rent.

The bill bans welfare recipients from using their benefits or withdrawing them at movie theaters, nail salons, pools and spas, liquor stores, jewelry stores, casinos or racing facilities, tattoo and piercing parlors, cruise ships, and other locations.

It also imposes hard caps on how long recipients can get benefits. After 36 months, poor people would hit the lifetime limit and not be able to get any further benefits unless they could prove they had an extraordinary hardship such as sexual assault, in which case they could get 12 additional months. The federal lifetime limit, on the other hand, is five years. It also bans anyone with two felony drug convictions from ever getting welfare and suspends anyone who tests positive for drugs after enacting a drug testing program in 2014 that has cost $40,000 and only turned up 11 positive tests out of 2,783 applications. ​

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Anyone want some actual hard evidence of Libertarianism in action destroying government social welfare programs?

Missouri Senate Overrides Veto Of Welfare Restrictions Bill

The Missouri Senate voted on Monday to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a bill that severely restricts welfare eligibility, potentially cutting benefits to thousands of low-income families.

Nixon, a Democrat, on Thursday vetoed the bill, which calls for reducing the time families may receive aid from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program from five years to three years and nine months. It also would impose strict work requirements.

The Republican-controlled state Senate voted 25-9 to override the veto the bill. The bill now goes to the Republican-dominated state House.

Nixon described the bill as "a misguided measure that punishes children." The Missouri Department of Social Services estimates the restrictions would cut benefits for more than 3,155 families, including 6,400 children.

Missouri is among states where legislators this year have considered bills that would curb welfare benefits. In Kansas, the state legislature passed a bill last month that restricts welfare recipients to withdrawing $25 a day on benefits cards, which can be used like debit cards at ATMs. They cannot use the cards at banks -- only at ATMs -- and may only spend the $25 in certain locations. Kansas is the only state limiting cash withdrawals.​

Kansas To Impose Unprecedented Restriction On Welfare Recipients ThinkProgress

While one of the backers of the bill asserted that recipients could take out more at a bank counter, the cards can’t be used at counters and many poor people lack access to bank accounts given the need to maintain balances and pay fees. Seventeen million Americans are unbanked, going without formal financial products. Meanwhile, during debate over the bill state Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau (D) pointed out that many recipients need to withdraw hundreds of dollars some days in order to be able to pay rent.

The bill bans welfare recipients from using their benefits or withdrawing them at movie theaters, nail salons, pools and spas, liquor stores, jewelry stores, casinos or racing facilities, tattoo and piercing parlors, cruise ships, and other locations.

It also imposes hard caps on how long recipients can get benefits. After 36 months, poor people would hit the lifetime limit and not be able to get any further benefits unless they could prove they had an extraordinary hardship such as sexual assault, in which case they could get 12 additional months. The federal lifetime limit, on the other hand, is five years. It also bans anyone with two felony drug convictions from ever getting welfare and suspends anyone who tests positive for drugs after enacting a drug testing program in 2014 that has cost $40,000 and only turned up 11 positive tests out of 2,783 applications. ​

Do we need more evidence that this thread belongs in the Rubber Room? Libertarians do not control the state legislatures of Missouri or Kansas.

 

[dblack]

Anyone want some actual hard evidence of Libertarianism in action destroying government social welfare programs?

Missouri Senate Overrides Veto Of Welfare Restrictions Bill

The Missouri Senate voted on Monday to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a bill that severely restricts welfare eligibility, potentially cutting benefits to thousands of low-income families.

Nixon, a Democrat, on Thursday vetoed the bill, which calls for reducing the time families may receive aid from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program from five years to three years and nine months. It also would impose strict work requirements.

The Republican-controlled state Senate voted 25-9 to override the veto the bill. The bill now goes to the Republican-dominated state House.

Nixon described the bill as "a misguided measure that punishes children." The Missouri Department of Social Services estimates the restrictions would cut benefits for more than 3,155 families, including 6,400 children.

Missouri is among states where legislators this year have considered bills that would curb welfare benefits. In Kansas, the state legislature passed a bill last month that restricts welfare recipients to withdrawing $25 a day on benefits cards, which can be used like debit cards at ATMs. They cannot use the cards at banks -- only at ATMs -- and may only spend the $25 in certain locations. Kansas is the only state limiting cash withdrawals.​

Kansas To Impose Unprecedented Restriction On Welfare Recipients ThinkProgress

While one of the backers of the bill asserted that recipients could take out more at a bank counter, the cards can’t be used at counters and many poor people lack access to bank accounts given the need to maintain balances and pay fees. Seventeen million Americans are unbanked, going without formal financial products. Meanwhile, during debate over the bill state Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau (D) pointed out that many recipients need to withdraw hundreds of dollars some days in order to be able to pay rent.

The bill bans welfare recipients from using their benefits or withdrawing them at movie theaters, nail salons, pools and spas, liquor stores, jewelry stores, casinos or racing facilities, tattoo and piercing parlors, cruise ships, and other locations.

It also imposes hard caps on how long recipients can get benefits. After 36 months, poor people would hit the lifetime limit and not be able to get any further benefits unless they could prove they had an extraordinary hardship such as sexual assault, in which case they could get 12 additional months. The federal lifetime limit, on the other hand, is five years. It also bans anyone with two felony drug convictions from ever getting welfare and suspends anyone who tests positive for drugs after enacting a drug testing program in 2014 that has cost $40,000 and only turned up 11 positive tests out of 2,783 applications. ​

Do we need more evidence that this thread belongs in the Rubber Room? Libertarians do not control the state legislatures of Missouri or Kansas.

Be nice if we did. Derideo seems to be conflating the "kick-em-when-they're-down" attitude toward the poor that many conservatives espouse with the principled, limited government ethos of libertarians.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Anyone want some actual hard evidence of Libertarianism in action destroying government social welfare programs?

Missouri Senate Overrides Veto Of Welfare Restrictions Bill

The Missouri Senate voted on Monday to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a bill that severely restricts welfare eligibility, potentially cutting benefits to thousands of low-income families.

Nixon, a Democrat, on Thursday vetoed the bill, which calls for reducing the time families may receive aid from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program from five years to three years and nine months. It also would impose strict work requirements.

The Republican-controlled state Senate voted 25-9 to override the veto the bill. The bill now goes to the Republican-dominated state House.

Nixon described the bill as "a misguided measure that punishes children." The Missouri Department of Social Services estimates the restrictions would cut benefits for more than 3,155 families, including 6,400 children.

Missouri is among states where legislators this year have considered bills that would curb welfare benefits. In Kansas, the state legislature passed a bill last month that restricts welfare recipients to withdrawing $25 a day on benefits cards, which can be used like debit cards at ATMs. They cannot use the cards at banks -- only at ATMs -- and may only spend the $25 in certain locations. Kansas is the only state limiting cash withdrawals.​

Kansas To Impose Unprecedented Restriction On Welfare Recipients ThinkProgress

While one of the backers of the bill asserted that recipients could take out more at a bank counter, the cards can’t be used at counters and many poor people lack access to bank accounts given the need to maintain balances and pay fees. Seventeen million Americans are unbanked, going without formal financial products. Meanwhile, during debate over the bill state Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau (D) pointed out that many recipients need to withdraw hundreds of dollars some days in order to be able to pay rent.

The bill bans welfare recipients from using their benefits or withdrawing them at movie theaters, nail salons, pools and spas, liquor stores, jewelry stores, casinos or racing facilities, tattoo and piercing parlors, cruise ships, and other locations.

It also imposes hard caps on how long recipients can get benefits. After 36 months, poor people would hit the lifetime limit and not be able to get any further benefits unless they could prove they had an extraordinary hardship such as sexual assault, in which case they could get 12 additional months. The federal lifetime limit, on the other hand, is five years. It also bans anyone with two felony drug convictions from ever getting welfare and suspends anyone who tests positive for drugs after enacting a drug testing program in 2014 that has cost $40,000 and only turned up 11 positive tests out of 2,783 applications. ​

Do we need more evidence that this thread belongs in the Rubber Room? Libertarians do not control the state legislatures of Missouri or Kansas.

Be nice if we did. Derideo seems to be conflating the "kick-em-when-they're-down" attitude toward the poor that many conservatives espouse with the principled, limited government ethos of libertarians.

Derideo just wants an outlet to whine about how much he dislikes libertarians.

 

[dblack]

Be nice if we did. Derideo seems to be conflating the "kick-em-when-they're-down" attitude toward the poor that many conservatives espouse with the principled, limited government ethos of libertarians.

Derideo just wants an outlet to whine about how much he dislikes libertarians.

I suppose. It's not clear to me if even knows what libertarianism is. Or if all the mis-representation is just a smear campaign.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Anyone want some actual hard evidence of Libertarianism in action destroying government social welfare programs?

Missouri Senate Overrides Veto Of Welfare Restrictions Bill

The Missouri Senate voted on Monday to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a bill that severely restricts welfare eligibility, potentially cutting benefits to thousands of low-income families.

Nixon, a Democrat, on Thursday vetoed the bill, which calls for reducing the time families may receive aid from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program from five years to three years and nine months. It also would impose strict work requirements.

The Republican-controlled state Senate voted 25-9 to override the veto the bill. The bill now goes to the Republican-dominated state House.

Nixon described the bill as "a misguided measure that punishes children." The Missouri Department of Social Services estimates the restrictions would cut benefits for more than 3,155 families, including 6,400 children.

Missouri is among states where legislators this year have considered bills that would curb welfare benefits. In Kansas, the state legislature passed a bill last month that restricts welfare recipients to withdrawing $25 a day on benefits cards, which can be used like debit cards at ATMs. They cannot use the cards at banks -- only at ATMs -- and may only spend the $25 in certain locations. Kansas is the only state limiting cash withdrawals.​

Kansas To Impose Unprecedented Restriction On Welfare Recipients ThinkProgress

While one of the backers of the bill asserted that recipients could take out more at a bank counter, the cards can’t be used at counters and many poor people lack access to bank accounts given the need to maintain balances and pay fees. Seventeen million Americans are unbanked, going without formal financial products. Meanwhile, during debate over the bill state Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau (D) pointed out that many recipients need to withdraw hundreds of dollars some days in order to be able to pay rent.

The bill bans welfare recipients from using their benefits or withdrawing them at movie theaters, nail salons, pools and spas, liquor stores, jewelry stores, casinos or racing facilities, tattoo and piercing parlors, cruise ships, and other locations.

It also imposes hard caps on how long recipients can get benefits. After 36 months, poor people would hit the lifetime limit and not be able to get any further benefits unless they could prove they had an extraordinary hardship such as sexual assault, in which case they could get 12 additional months. The federal lifetime limit, on the other hand, is five years. It also bans anyone with two felony drug convictions from ever getting welfare and suspends anyone who tests positive for drugs after enacting a drug testing program in 2014 that has cost $40,000 and only turned up 11 positive tests out of 2,783 applications. ​

Do we need more evidence that this thread belongs in the Rubber Room? Libertarians do not control the state legislatures of Missouri or Kansas.

The GOP has embraced libertarian concepts in it's platform and is actively enacting them in state legislatures under it's control.

Just compare the Libertarian platform of the Koch bros presidential run in the 1980's to the current GOP platform and you will see what has been adopted.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Perhaps KK and dblack should form a Libertarian therapy group for their constant whining since they cannot refute or defend Libertarianism.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Anyone want some actual hard evidence of Libertarianism in action destroying government social welfare programs?

Missouri Senate Overrides Veto Of Welfare Restrictions Bill

The Missouri Senate voted on Monday to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a bill that severely restricts welfare eligibility, potentially cutting benefits to thousands of low-income families.

Nixon, a Democrat, on Thursday vetoed the bill, which calls for reducing the time families may receive aid from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program from five years to three years and nine months. It also would impose strict work requirements.

The Republican-controlled state Senate voted 25-9 to override the veto the bill. The bill now goes to the Republican-dominated state House.

Nixon described the bill as "a misguided measure that punishes children." The Missouri Department of Social Services estimates the restrictions would cut benefits for more than 3,155 families, including 6,400 children.

Missouri is among states where legislators this year have considered bills that would curb welfare benefits. In Kansas, the state legislature passed a bill last month that restricts welfare recipients to withdrawing $25 a day on benefits cards, which can be used like debit cards at ATMs. They cannot use the cards at banks -- only at ATMs -- and may only spend the $25 in certain locations. Kansas is the only state limiting cash withdrawals.​

Kansas To Impose Unprecedented Restriction On Welfare Recipients ThinkProgress

While one of the backers of the bill asserted that recipients could take out more at a bank counter, the cards can’t be used at counters and many poor people lack access to bank accounts given the need to maintain balances and pay fees. Seventeen million Americans are unbanked, going without formal financial products. Meanwhile, during debate over the bill state Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau (D) pointed out that many recipients need to withdraw hundreds of dollars some days in order to be able to pay rent.

The bill bans welfare recipients from using their benefits or withdrawing them at movie theaters, nail salons, pools and spas, liquor stores, jewelry stores, casinos or racing facilities, tattoo and piercing parlors, cruise ships, and other locations.

It also imposes hard caps on how long recipients can get benefits. After 36 months, poor people would hit the lifetime limit and not be able to get any further benefits unless they could prove they had an extraordinary hardship such as sexual assault, in which case they could get 12 additional months. The federal lifetime limit, on the other hand, is five years. It also bans anyone with two felony drug convictions from ever getting welfare and suspends anyone who tests positive for drugs after enacting a drug testing program in 2014 that has cost $40,000 and only turned up 11 positive tests out of 2,783 applications. ​

Do we need more evidence that this thread belongs in the Rubber Room? Libertarians do not control the state legislatures of Missouri or Kansas.

The GOP has embraced libertarian concepts in it's platform and is actively enacting them in state legislatures under it's control.

Just compare the Libertarian platform of the Koch bros presidential run in the 1980's to the current GOP platform and you will see what has been adopted.

Yes, the GOP is all about "free" markets, so long as their cronies get all the nice government contracts, peace, as long as they get to bomb bomb bomb Iran, and legalizing all drugs as long as that's understood to be only alcohol.

Oh yeah, the GOP is "libertarian" all right.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Perhaps KK and dblack should form a Libertarian therapy group for their constant whining since they cannot refute or defend Libertarianism.

Please, don't project. You can't defend your "un-American" nonsense and yet you act as though I'm supposed to be bothered refuting every crackpot post you make up next.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Perhaps KK and dblack should form a Libertarian therapy group for their constant whining since they cannot refute or defend Libertarianism.

Defend it to whom ? You ?

Why would they bother ? They don't need you.

Maybe you should define what unAmerican is so we can apply the definition to all philosophies.

Until then, your OP (and especially the moron who wrote the article you quoted in the OP) is jumbled horsecrap.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Perhaps KK and dblack should form a Libertarian therapy group for their constant whining since they cannot refute or defend Libertarianism.

Please, don't project. You can't defend your "un-American" nonsense and yet you act as though I'm supposed to be bothered refuting every crackpot post you make up next.

Exactly. It's easy to keep claiming victory when nobody knows what you are fighting for.

I think the OP's name should be "goal posts on wheels".

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Anyone want some actual hard evidence of Libertarianism in action destroying government social welfare programs?

Missouri Senate Overrides Veto Of Welfare Restrictions Bill

The Missouri Senate voted on Monday to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a bill that severely restricts welfare eligibility, potentially cutting benefits to thousands of low-income families.

Nixon, a Democrat, on Thursday vetoed the bill, which calls for reducing the time families may receive aid from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program from five years to three years and nine months. It also would impose strict work requirements.

The Republican-controlled state Senate voted 25-9 to override the veto the bill. The bill now goes to the Republican-dominated state House.

Nixon described the bill as "a misguided measure that punishes children." The Missouri Department of Social Services estimates the restrictions would cut benefits for more than 3,155 families, including 6,400 children.

Missouri is among states where legislators this year have considered bills that would curb welfare benefits. In Kansas, the state legislature passed a bill last month that restricts welfare recipients to withdrawing $25 a day on benefits cards, which can be used like debit cards at ATMs. They cannot use the cards at banks -- only at ATMs -- and may only spend the $25 in certain locations. Kansas is the only state limiting cash withdrawals.​

Kansas To Impose Unprecedented Restriction On Welfare Recipients ThinkProgress

While one of the backers of the bill asserted that recipients could take out more at a bank counter, the cards can’t be used at counters and many poor people lack access to bank accounts given the need to maintain balances and pay fees. Seventeen million Americans are unbanked, going without formal financial products. Meanwhile, during debate over the bill state Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau (D) pointed out that many recipients need to withdraw hundreds of dollars some days in order to be able to pay rent.

The bill bans welfare recipients from using their benefits or withdrawing them at movie theaters, nail salons, pools and spas, liquor stores, jewelry stores, casinos or racing facilities, tattoo and piercing parlors, cruise ships, and other locations.

It also imposes hard caps on how long recipients can get benefits. After 36 months, poor people would hit the lifetime limit and not be able to get any further benefits unless they could prove they had an extraordinary hardship such as sexual assault, in which case they could get 12 additional months. The federal lifetime limit, on the other hand, is five years. It also bans anyone with two felony drug convictions from ever getting welfare and suspends anyone who tests positive for drugs after enacting a drug testing program in 2014 that has cost $40,000 and only turned up 11 positive tests out of 2,783 applications. ​

Do we need more evidence that this thread belongs in the Rubber Room? Libertarians do not control the state legislatures of Missouri or Kansas.

The GOP has embraced libertarian concepts in it's platform and is actively enacting them in state legislatures under it's control.

Just compare the Libertarian platform of the Koch bros presidential run in the 1980's to the current GOP platform and you will see what has been adopted.

Yes, the GOP is all about "free" markets, so long as their cronies get all the nice government contracts, peace, as long as they get to bomb bomb bomb Iran, and legalizing all drugs as long as that's understood to be only alcohol.

Oh yeah, the GOP is "libertarian" all right.

Establishment GOP. Just like establishment democrats....

Reid Got 1.1M In Shady NV Land Deals Sweetness Light

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Anyone want some actual hard evidence of Libertarianism in action destroying government social welfare programs?

Missouri Senate Overrides Veto Of Welfare Restrictions Bill

The Missouri Senate voted on Monday to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a bill that severely restricts welfare eligibility, potentially cutting benefits to thousands of low-income families.

Nixon, a Democrat, on Thursday vetoed the bill, which calls for reducing the time families may receive aid from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program from five years to three years and nine months. It also would impose strict work requirements.

The Republican-controlled state Senate voted 25-9 to override the veto the bill. The bill now goes to the Republican-dominated state House.

Nixon described the bill as "a misguided measure that punishes children." The Missouri Department of Social Services estimates the restrictions would cut benefits for more than 3,155 families, including 6,400 children.

Missouri is among states where legislators this year have considered bills that would curb welfare benefits. In Kansas, the state legislature passed a bill last month that restricts welfare recipients to withdrawing $25 a day on benefits cards, which can be used like debit cards at ATMs. They cannot use the cards at banks -- only at ATMs -- and may only spend the $25 in certain locations. Kansas is the only state limiting cash withdrawals.​

Kansas To Impose Unprecedented Restriction On Welfare Recipients ThinkProgress

While one of the backers of the bill asserted that recipients could take out more at a bank counter, the cards can’t be used at counters and many poor people lack access to bank accounts given the need to maintain balances and pay fees. Seventeen million Americans are unbanked, going without formal financial products. Meanwhile, during debate over the bill state Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau (D) pointed out that many recipients need to withdraw hundreds of dollars some days in order to be able to pay rent.

The bill bans welfare recipients from using their benefits or withdrawing them at movie theaters, nail salons, pools and spas, liquor stores, jewelry stores, casinos or racing facilities, tattoo and piercing parlors, cruise ships, and other locations.

It also imposes hard caps on how long recipients can get benefits. After 36 months, poor people would hit the lifetime limit and not be able to get any further benefits unless they could prove they had an extraordinary hardship such as sexual assault, in which case they could get 12 additional months. The federal lifetime limit, on the other hand, is five years. It also bans anyone with two felony drug convictions from ever getting welfare and suspends anyone who tests positive for drugs after enacting a drug testing program in 2014 that has cost $40,000 and only turned up 11 positive tests out of 2,783 applications. ​

What is this supposed to prove ?

These bills are passed by state legislatures.

That makes them as American as it gets.

Or are we finally going to get a definition of un-American ?

 

[Derideo_Te]

you act as though I'm supposed to be bothered refuting every crackpot post you make up next.

Ironic!

 

[Dot Com]

Anyone want some actual hard evidence of Libertarianism in action destroying government social welfare programs?

Missouri Senate Overrides Veto Of Welfare Restrictions Bill

The Missouri Senate voted on Monday to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a bill that severely restricts welfare eligibility, potentially cutting benefits to thousands of low-income families.

Nixon, a Democrat, on Thursday vetoed the bill, which calls for reducing the time families may receive aid from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program from five years to three years and nine months. It also would impose strict work requirements.

The Republican-controlled state Senate voted 25-9 to override the veto the bill. The bill now goes to the Republican-dominated state House.

Nixon described the bill as "a misguided measure that punishes children." The Missouri Department of Social Services estimates the restrictions would cut benefits for more than 3,155 families, including 6,400 children.

Missouri is among states where legislators this year have considered bills that would curb welfare benefits. In Kansas, the state legislature passed a bill last month that restricts welfare recipients to withdrawing $25 a day on benefits cards, which can be used like debit cards at ATMs. They cannot use the cards at banks -- only at ATMs -- and may only spend the $25 in certain locations. Kansas is the only state limiting cash withdrawals.​

Kansas To Impose Unprecedented Restriction On Welfare Recipients ThinkProgress

While one of the backers of the bill asserted that recipients could take out more at a bank counter, the cards can’t be used at counters and many poor people lack access to bank accounts given the need to maintain balances and pay fees. Seventeen million Americans are unbanked, going without formal financial products. Meanwhile, during debate over the bill state Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau (D) pointed out that many recipients need to withdraw hundreds of dollars some days in order to be able to pay rent.

The bill bans welfare recipients from using their benefits or withdrawing them at movie theaters, nail salons, pools and spas, liquor stores, jewelry stores, casinos or racing facilities, tattoo and piercing parlors, cruise ships, and other locations.

It also imposes hard caps on how long recipients can get benefits. After 36 months, poor people would hit the lifetime limit and not be able to get any further benefits unless they could prove they had an extraordinary hardship such as sexual assault, in which case they could get 12 additional months. The federal lifetime limit, on the other hand, is five years. It also bans anyone with two felony drug convictions from ever getting welfare and suspends anyone who tests positive for drugs after enacting a drug testing program in 2014 that has cost $40,000 and only turned up 11 positive tests out of 2,783 applications. ​

Do we need more evidence that this thread belongs in the Rubber Room? Libertarians do not control the state legislatures of Missouri or Kansas.

The GOP has embraced libertarian concepts in it's platform and is actively enacting them in state legislatures under it's control.

Just compare the Libertarian platform of the Koch bros presidential run in the 1980's to the current GOP platform and you will see what has been adopted.

Agree. The Repubs have to appease their largest donors which happen to be libertarians, among other America-last groups.