Is Kim Davis wrong? Or is the Supreme Ct wrong about requiring acceptance of same-sex "marriage"?

[Arizona Willie]

If you believe that each time Ms. Davis in Kentucky violated the people's civil rights each time she denied a citizen a license and that is a hate crime because hate for homos is her motivation, then call the Justice Department and ask why they haven't filed hate crime charges against her.

Department of Justice Main Switchboard 1- 202-514-2000

Department Comment Line 1- 202-353-1555
=================

Davis is wrong:

“The interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment enunciated by this Court in the Brown case is the supreme law of the land, and Art. VI of the Constitution makes it of binding effect on the States "any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding." P.358 U. S. 18.

No state legislator or executive or judicial officer can war against the Constitution without violating his solemn oath to support it. P. 358 U. S. 18.”

Cooper v. Aaron (1958)

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

Article VI, US Constitution

And the Supreme Court is correct:

“The right to marry is a fundamental right inherent in the liberty of the person, and under the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment couples of the same-sex may not be deprived of that right and that liberty. Same-sex couples may exercise the fundamental right to marry.”

Obergefell v. Hodges (2015)

 

[bodecea]

The conservative response from Scalia

Each of the four conservative justices wrote their own dissent but Justice Antonin Scalia's is the most blistering.

1. "The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie."

2. "I write separately to call attention to this Court's threat to American democracy."

3. "The substance of today's decree is not of immense personal importance to me ... It is of overwhelming importance, however, who it is that rules me. Today's decree says that my Ruler, and the Ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast, is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court."

4. "Until the courts put a stop to it, public debate over same-sex marriage displayed American democracy at its best. The five Justices who compose today's majority are entirely comfortable concluding that every State violated the Constitution for all of the 135 years between the Fourteenth Amendment's ratification and Massachusetts' permitting of same-sex marriages in 2003."

5. "Who ever thought that intimacy and spirituality [whatever that means] were freedoms? And if intimacy is, one would think Freedom of Intimacy is abridged rather than expanded by marriage. Ask the nearest hippie. Expression, sure enough, is a freedom, but anyone in a long-lasting marriage will attest that that happy state constricts, rather than expands, what one can prudently say."

Best lines from the Supreme Court on marriage - CNNPolitics.com​

He can write anything he likes? He still was on the 4 side of a 5 to 4 decision.

So it's basically a popularity contest.....not an exercise in juris prudence. Both of Obama's nominees lied about their objectivity and impartiality.

This is why Democrats insisted on a litmus test for all judges. This is why Robert Bork never made it.

Where have you been for the last 200+ years. That's exactly how the Supreme Court works. And thank the gods that crazy man, Robert Bork never got on the court.

 

[mudwhistle]

For the record, I support same-sex marriage, but I wanted them to get it in a more legit manner, not through lying and ignoring the eventual Pandora's Box this will eventually open.

What is the "more legit manner" you have in mind? Using the court system set up by the U.S. Constitution isn't legit?

The courts aren't designed to write laws.....in case you didn't know, little miss smartypants.

Congress writes and passes the laws, the president signs them, and the courts affirms their constitutionality. Rewriting laws from the bench just because you have the votes is unconstitutional.

Apparently even my pants are smarter than you. No law was written by the Supreme Court. They struck down bad laws preventing gays from participating in legal marriage. Just like under Loving v. Virginia, no law was written by the Supreme Court....however bad laws preventing inter-racial marriage were struck down.

Nope....by reinterpretation they rewrote the law. It's called ruling from the bench.....which is why selecting a president is so important.

If Obama had said he was going to legalize same-sex marriage he would never have been elected

 

[bodecea]

For the record, I support same-sex marriage, but I wanted them to get it in a more legit manner, not through lying and ignoring the eventual Pandora's Box this will eventually open.

What is the "more legit manner" you have in mind? Using the court system set up by the U.S. Constitution isn't legit?

The exact same system that "forced" his interracial marriage on a very unwilling (80%) populace.

Link

Interracial marriage was popular to a majority. Southern Democrats (your party BTW) were pretty much last to sign on to it in the 60s

Nobody could prove any harm, so it became legal.

The rationale by Justice Kennedy for same-sex marriage was tha marriage makes children safe.

Okay. Lol

What a huge lie that is.

 

[Arizona Willie]

If you believe that each time Ms. Davis in Kentucky violated the people's civil rights each time she denied a citizen a license and that is a hate crime because hate for homos is her motivation, then call the Justice Department and ask why they haven't filed hate crime charges against her.

Department of Justice Main Switchboard 1- 202-514-2000

Department Comment Line 1- 202-353-1555
=================

The resident Christian fear mongering homophobes don't hold back.. Idiots.

 

[Arizona Willie]

If you believe that each time Ms. Davis in Kentucky violated the people's civil rights each time she denied a citizen a license and that is a hate crime because hate for homos is her motivation, then call the Justice Department and ask why they haven't filed hate crime charges against her.

Department of Justice Main Switchboard 1- 202-514-2000

Department Comment Line 1- 202-353-1555
=================

Davis is wrong. The link covers the reason why.

Beliefs cannot trump rights

 

[bodecea]

We had children before we could marry. Why don't you want our children to have married parents?

I want all children to have a proper married set of parents. That means a father and a mother. By wise, divine design, it takes a father and a mother to create a child, and it also takes a father and a mother to properly raise that child.

Study: Children fare better in traditional mom-dad families

Dear Gay Community: Your Kids Are Hurting

So, you want your small, non-intrusive government to prevent people from having children unless there is a father and a mother in the home....then force them to stay together til the children are grown.

 

[bodecea]

For the record, I support same-sex marriage, but I wanted them to get it in a more legit manner, not through lying and ignoring the eventual Pandora's Box this will eventually open.

What is the "more legit manner" you have in mind? Using the court system set up by the U.S. Constitution isn't legit?

The courts aren't designed to write laws.....in case you didn't know, little miss smartypants.

Congress writes and passes the laws, the president signs them, and the courts affirms their constitutionality. Rewriting laws from the bench just because you have the votes is unconstitutional.

Apparently even my pants are smarter than you. No law was written by the Supreme Court. They struck down bad laws preventing gays from participating in legal marriage. Just like under Loving v. Virginia, no law was written by the Supreme Court....however bad laws preventing inter-racial marriage were struck down.

Nope....by reinterpretation they rewrote the law. It's called ruling from the bench.....which is why selecting a president is so important.

If Obama had said he was going to legalize same-sex marriage he would never have been elected

They struck down bad law....and rewrote nothing. But you think the President is a secret muslim out to destroy our country so you're not playing with a full deck to begin with. Not as if the Truth and facts will put a dent in your self-delusion.

 

[mudwhistle]

For the record, I support same-sex marriage, but I wanted them to get it in a more legit manner, not through lying and ignoring the eventual Pandora's Box this will eventually open.

What is the "more legit manner" you have in mind? Using the court system set up by the U.S. Constitution isn't legit?

The courts aren't designed to write laws.....in case you didn't know, little miss smartypants.

Congress writes and passes the laws, the president signs them, and the courts affirms their constitutionality. Rewriting laws from the bench just because you have the votes is unconstitutional.

Apparently even my pants are smarter than you. No law was written by the Supreme Court. They struck down bad laws preventing gays from participating in legal marriage. Just like under Loving v. Virginia, no law was written by the Supreme Court....however bad laws preventing inter-racial marriage were struck down.

Nope....by reinterpretation they rewrote the law. It's called ruling from the bench.....which is why selecting a president is so important.

If Obama had said he was going to legalize same-sex marriage he would never have been elected

They struck down bad law....and rewrote nothing. But you think the President is a secret muslim out to destroy our country so you're not playing with a full deck to begin with. Not as if the Truth and facts will put a dent in your self-delusion.

Bad law only in your opinion. But like I said before......what's next?

What right do you have to tell ANYONE they can't get married now?

You, in all of your stupidity, made it all possible.

Then there's the fact that this issue is really just a distraction......The transformation is under way. Muslims by the hundreds of thousands will be brought here at taxpayers expense, to shoot up recruiting stations and begin rioting whenever they feel that their dignity has been slighted. Bend down to Allah's will.

And you in the LGBT community are totally fucked when that eventually happens.

 

[bodecea]

What is the "more legit manner" you have in mind? Using the court system set up by the U.S. Constitution isn't legit?

The courts aren't designed to write laws.....in case you didn't know, little miss smartypants.

Congress writes and passes the laws, the president signs them, and the courts affirms their constitutionality. Rewriting laws from the bench just because you have the votes is unconstitutional.

Apparently even my pants are smarter than you. No law was written by the Supreme Court. They struck down bad laws preventing gays from participating in legal marriage. Just like under Loving v. Virginia, no law was written by the Supreme Court....however bad laws preventing inter-racial marriage were struck down.

Nope....by reinterpretation they rewrote the law. It's called ruling from the bench.....which is why selecting a president is so important.

If Obama had said he was going to legalize same-sex marriage he would never have been elected

They struck down bad law....and rewrote nothing. But you think the President is a secret muslim out to destroy our country so you're not playing with a full deck to begin with. Not as if the Truth and facts will put a dent in your self-delusion.

Bad law only in your opinion. But like I said before......what's next?

What right do you have to tell ANYONE they can't get married now?

You, in all of your stupidity, made it all possible.

Then there's the fact that this issue is really just a distraction......The transformation is under way. Muslims by the hundreds of thousands will be brought here at taxpayers expense, to shoot up recruiting stations and begin rioting whenever they feel that their dignity has been slighted. Bend down to Allah's will.

And you in the LGBT community are totally fucked when that eventually happens.

So...someone tell me if it's even worth it to argue what is obvious law with a Birther who has already demonstrated he isn't sane?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

After the owners of a cake shop was attacked for refusing to cater a same-sex wedding a GLBT Group came forward and scolded the couple, and the media, for making such a big deal about the issue. They pointed out that there was more than 1 bakery they could have gone to, more than one who would have catered without question. They pointed out that simply having their event catered was NOT their only agenda - they wanted to FORCE people who did not hold the same beliefs they did to comply with THEIR wishes. They finally pointed out that THIS type of behavior is why so many people dislike GLBTs and their determination to make everyone else comply.

It can be hoped that this will be part of the brick wall into which the whole pervert-rights movement will finally crash and burn.

The vast majority of us, even if we've been shamed and intimidated out of openly saying so, know that homosexuality is wrong.

Many of us are willing to tolerate the existence of a great deal of immorality, so long as we can comfortably believe that we won't be forced to participate in it, we won't be forced to give support or approval for it, and we won't be directly affected by it.

When a pair of perverts can walk into a bakery and demand that the baker produce a custom cake for their sick, immoral mockery of a wedding, and if baker refuses, he can get sued out of business, then that changes the game. It's one thing to accept that such mockeries are allowed to take place, even when one knows just how wrong it is. It's something else entirely when one is compelled by law to use his own labor, talents, and resources in support of it.

Personally, I would have made the cake, delivered it, then said, "Go ahead...eat it..I DARE YOU!" ...then drove off.

Not me. As a matter of principle, if I am paid to do a job, I do that job to the very best of my ability. Whatever objections I may have to any details of the job, they do not relieve me of the obligation to give to the customer who is paying for my work, the very best value that I can for his money. Nothing about this situation would be any excuse at all for doing any lower quality of work than I would do for any other customer.

I might, however, make it clear upfront that I intend to donate some portion of the proceeds from that job to some worthy organization that upholds proper values regarding marriage and family, and which opposes such perversions as those for which I was compelled to provide support. After all once I've earned the money, it is mine to do with as I please, and if I earned it in a manner that involved being compelled to violate my own deeply-held moral values, then I would certainly see it as appropriate to use it in some manner to uphold and promote these values.

 

[mudwhistle]

The courts aren't designed to write laws.....in case you didn't know, little miss smartypants.

Congress writes and passes the laws, the president signs them, and the courts affirms their constitutionality. Rewriting laws from the bench just because you have the votes is unconstitutional.

Apparently even my pants are smarter than you. No law was written by the Supreme Court. They struck down bad laws preventing gays from participating in legal marriage. Just like under Loving v. Virginia, no law was written by the Supreme Court....however bad laws preventing inter-racial marriage were struck down.

Nope....by reinterpretation they rewrote the law. It's called ruling from the bench.....which is why selecting a president is so important.

If Obama had said he was going to legalize same-sex marriage he would never have been elected

They struck down bad law....and rewrote nothing. But you think the President is a secret muslim out to destroy our country so you're not playing with a full deck to begin with. Not as if the Truth and facts will put a dent in your self-delusion.

Bad law only in your opinion. But like I said before......what's next?

What right do you have to tell ANYONE they can't get married now?

You, in all of your stupidity, made it all possible.

Then there's the fact that this issue is really just a distraction......The transformation is under way. Muslims by the hundreds of thousands will be brought here at taxpayers expense, to shoot up recruiting stations and begin rioting whenever they feel that their dignity has been slighted. Bend down to Allah's will.

And you in the LGBT community are totally fucked when that eventually happens.

So...someone tell me if it's even worth it to argue what is obvious law with a Birther who has already demonstrated he isn't sane?

I'm not a birther, *****!!!


And one has to question the sanity of a class of people that commit suicide in higher than normal numbers. It's a terrible truth of the gay lifestyle.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Something for everyone to keep in mind is that Jesus had two Fathers!

Sure he did....*rolls eyes*

God is his only father. Joseph was basically his step-father.

You've been watching too much history channel.

Oh...I see so when Joseph is referred to as the earthly father of Jesus and God as His heavenly father, all those writings are false doctrine? Must be if you say so! Therefore you can't believe everything you read is the take away, right? Got it Mudwistful, and thanks!

 

[bodecea]

Apparently even my pants are smarter than you. No law was written by the Supreme Court. They struck down bad laws preventing gays from participating in legal marriage. Just like under Loving v. Virginia, no law was written by the Supreme Court....however bad laws preventing inter-racial marriage were struck down.

Nope....by reinterpretation they rewrote the law. It's called ruling from the bench.....which is why selecting a president is so important.

If Obama had said he was going to legalize same-sex marriage he would never have been elected

They struck down bad law....and rewrote nothing. But you think the President is a secret muslim out to destroy our country so you're not playing with a full deck to begin with. Not as if the Truth and facts will put a dent in your self-delusion.

Bad law only in your opinion. But like I said before......what's next?

What right do you have to tell ANYONE they can't get married now?

You, in all of your stupidity, made it all possible.

Then there's the fact that this issue is really just a distraction......The transformation is under way. Muslims by the hundreds of thousands will be brought here at taxpayers expense, to shoot up recruiting stations and begin rioting whenever they feel that their dignity has been slighted. Bend down to Allah's will.

And you in the LGBT community are totally fucked when that eventually happens.

So...someone tell me if it's even worth it to argue what is obvious law with a Birther who has already demonstrated he isn't sane?

I'm not a birther, *****!!!


And one has to question the sanity of a class of people that commit suicide in higher than normal numbers. It's a terrible truth of the gay lifestyle.

You are a Birther who believes in all sorts of crazy conspiracies. It's really a waste of time to try to get you to see truth.

 

[boilermaker55]

Take your bigoted religious thoughts and keep them in your place of worship. They do not and never will belong in the government of this country.

The Constitution (Amendment 1) says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...."

And the 14th amendment said that what applied to the Fed govt, now applies to state and local govts too. Meaning, no govt can make a law as described by the 1st amendment.

A basic tenet of many religions in this country is that homosexuality is a sin, and is forbidden. That was true in George Washington's time, and is just as true now.

If Congress makes a law saying that people (such as county clerks) must accept a homosexual same-sex "marriage", hasn't Congress (and/or the county govt of Rowan County, Kentucky) violated the 1st amendment?

Why did they jail Kim Davis? Sounds like they should have jailed the Congressmen (or county govt officials) who voted for the law instead, and possibly the affirming justices of the Supreme Court too.

Excellent post. I agree. Yes, they should be jailed and the justices of the Supreme Court should be in jail too. It is a wicked bunch and I am believing God for His judgment to fall on them and everyone else who was behind it. I pray God's judgment is swift and powerful and that all those who witness it depart from evil and begin to fear the LORD.

 

[mudwhistle]

Something for everyone to keep in mind is that Jesus had two Fathers!

Sure he did....*rolls eyes*

God is his only father. Joseph was basically his step-father.

You've been watching too much history channel.

Oh...I see so when Joseph is referred to as the earthly father of Jesus and God as His heavenly father, all those writings are false doctrine? Must be if you say so! Therefore you can't believe everything you read is the take away, right? Got it Mudwistful, and thanks!

I guess you never understood the meaning of parables...or The fact that the Bible never was intended to be taken 100% literally.

Jesus himself spelled it out to the disciples.

 

[bodecea]

Something for everyone to keep in mind is that Jesus had two Fathers!

Sure he did....*rolls eyes*

God is his only father. Joseph was basically his step-father.

You've been watching too much history channel.

Oh...I see so when Joseph is referred to as the earthly father of Jesus and God as His heavenly father, all those writings are false doctrine? Must be if you say so! Therefore you can't believe everything you read is the take away, right? Got it Mudwistful, and thanks!

He's a Birther...they have their own special kind of crazy.

 

[mudwhistle]

Nope....by reinterpretation they rewrote the law. It's called ruling from the bench.....which is why selecting a president is so important.

If Obama had said he was going to legalize same-sex marriage he would never have been elected

They struck down bad law....and rewrote nothing. But you think the President is a secret muslim out to destroy our country so you're not playing with a full deck to begin with. Not as if the Truth and facts will put a dent in your self-delusion.

Bad law only in your opinion. But like I said before......what's next?

What right do you have to tell ANYONE they can't get married now?

You, in all of your stupidity, made it all possible.

Then there's the fact that this issue is really just a distraction......The transformation is under way. Muslims by the hundreds of thousands will be brought here at taxpayers expense, to shoot up recruiting stations and begin rioting whenever they feel that their dignity has been slighted. Bend down to Allah's will.

And you in the LGBT community are totally fucked when that eventually happens.

So...someone tell me if it's even worth it to argue what is obvious law with a Birther who has already demonstrated he isn't sane?

I'm not a birther, *****!!!


And one has to question the sanity of a class of people that commit suicide in higher than normal numbers. It's a terrible truth of the gay lifestyle.

You are a Birther who believes in all sorts of crazy conspiracies. It's really a waste of time to try to get you to see truth.

I'm no more a birther than you are an intelligent, rational, and decent human-being.

 

[sealybobo]

Excellent post. I agree. Yes, they should be jailed and the justices of the Supreme Court should be in jail too. It is a wicked bunch and I am believing God for His judgment to fall on them and everyone else who was behind it. I pray God's judgment is swift and powerful and that all those who witness it depart from evil and begin to fear the LORD.

Hey, guy, maybe some of us don't believe in your God and don't want to live in a theocracy.

Has that ever occurred to you?

Here's an idea. If you don't like gay marriage, don't have one!

If you don't like guns Joe, don't buy one.

Winner winner chicken dinner.

-Geaux

And if you don't like gays don't suck a dick.

I totally agree with this.

And I think this government should just get out of the marriage business entirely. I think this probably is where government uses marriage as a way of social engineering. It used to link it with raising families.

By making gay marriage socially acceptable, it makes it legitimate in the public eyes as a tool for "family," and thus the adoption and raising of children. This then becomes just as acceptable, say in custody hearings where a father/step-mother vs. mother/step-mother scenario might come into play. Most common sense folks instinctively know which environment is better to raise a child. However our brainwashing pseudo-intellectual socio-engineers would have us believe reality is something other than it is. Most of us are rebelling against this notion, regardless of religion.

Dear Gay Community: Your Kids Are Hurting
I loved my mom’s partner, but another mom could never have replaced the father I lost.
Dear Gay Community: Your Kids Are Hurting

Why Can’t Gay People’s Kids Be Honest?

Gay marriage doesn’t just redefine marriage, but also parenting. It promotes and normalizes a family structure that necessarily denies us something precious and foundational. It denies us something we need and long for, while at the same time tells us that we don’t need what we naturally crave. That we will be okay. But we’re not. We’re hurting.

If anyone can talk about hard things, it’s us.

Kids of divorced parents are allowed to say, “Hey, mom and dad, I love you, but the divorce crushed me and has been so hard. It shattered my trust and made me feel like it was my fault. It is so hard living in two different houses.” Kids of adoption are allowed to say, “Hey, adoptive parents, I love you. But this is really hard for me. I suffer because my relationship with my first parents was broken. I’m confused and I miss them even though I’ve never met them.”

But children of same-sex parents haven’t been given the same voice. It’s not just me. There are so many of us. Many of us are too scared to speak up and tell you about our hurt and pain, because for whatever reason it feels like you’re not listening. That you don’t want to hear. If we say we are hurting because we were raised by same-sex parents, we are either ignored or labeled a hater.

Oh please...regurgitated bullshit. This has already been panned 12 ways to Sunday.

We had children before we could marry. Why don't you want our children to have married parents?

Ever watch Orange is the New Black? This Kim Davis reminds me of the woman who was in prison for murdering an abortion nurse after her 4th abortion because the nurse said she should get the 5th one free. But the anti abortion protesters made her a champion/hero because they assumed she did it because she was anti abortion. The truth is, most of those freaks protesting abortion clinics are former clients. And you know what? I'm glad they got abortions. Do we really want those kinds of people raising children? I don't.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Apparently even my pants are smarter than you. No law was written by the Supreme Court. They struck down bad laws preventing gays from participating in legal marriage. Just like under Loving v. Virginia, no law was written by the Supreme Court....however bad laws preventing inter-racial marriage were struck down.

Nope....by reinterpretation they rewrote the law. It's called ruling from the bench.....which is why selecting a president is so important.

If Obama had said he was going to legalize same-sex marriage he would never have been elected

They struck down bad law....and rewrote nothing. But you think the President is a secret muslim out to destroy our country so you're not playing with a full deck to begin with. Not as if the Truth and facts will put a dent in your self-delusion.

Bad law only in your opinion. But like I said before......what's next?

What right do you have to tell ANYONE they can't get married now?

You, in all of your stupidity, made it all possible.

Then there's the fact that this issue is really just a distraction......The transformation is under way. Muslims by the hundreds of thousands will be brought here at taxpayers expense, to shoot up recruiting stations and begin rioting whenever they feel that their dignity has been slighted. Bend down to Allah's will.

And you in the LGBT community are totally fucked when that eventually happens.

So...someone tell me if it's even worth it to argue what is obvious law with a Birther who has already demonstrated he isn't sane?

I'm not a birther, *****!!!


And one has to question the sanity of a class of people that commit suicide in higher than normal numbers. It's a terrible truth of the gay lifestyle.

Liar, you damn sure are an idiot birther.

He has a valid bc, which is more than Obama can say.