Is Kim Davis wrong? Or is the Supreme Ct wrong about requiring acceptance of same-sex "marriage"?

[Syriusly]

For the record, I support same-sex marriage, but I wanted them to get it in a more legit manner, not through lying and ignoring the eventual Pandora's Box this will eventually open.

For the record- same sex marriage is legal throughout the United States in a perfectly legitimate fashion.

People in love are getting married.

And that is a good thing.

 

[mudwhistle]

The conservative response from Scalia

Each of the four conservative justices wrote their own dissent but Justice Antonin Scalia's is the most blistering.

1. "The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie."

2. "I write separately to call attention to this Court's threat to American democracy."

3. "The substance of today's decree is not of immense personal importance to me ... It is of overwhelming importance, however, who it is that rules me. Today's decree says that my Ruler, and the Ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast, is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court."

4. "Until the courts put a stop to it, public debate over same-sex marriage displayed American democracy at its best. The five Justices who compose today's majority are entirely comfortable concluding that every State violated the Constitution for all of the 135 years between the Fourteenth Amendment's ratification and Massachusetts' permitting of same-sex marriages in 2003."

5. "Who ever thought that intimacy and spirituality [whatever that means] were freedoms? And if intimacy is, one would think Freedom of Intimacy is abridged rather than expanded by marriage. Ask the nearest hippie. Expression, sure enough, is a freedom, but anyone in a long-lasting marriage will attest that that happy state constricts, rather than expands, what one can prudently say."

Best lines from the Supreme Court on marriage - CNNPolitics.com​

 

[bodecea]

Kim Davis is way wrong. She's trying to force her religious beliefs on others.

If she doesn't want to do her job because of those beliefs then she can resign and someone else will be elected to do that job.

Davis is an idiot.

She didn't force anything.

She told them to go to Hell and then gave them directions.

And the next clerk who tells someone to go to Hell when they apply for a gun permit?

 

[bodecea]

The conservative response from Scalia

Each of the four conservative justices wrote their own dissent but Justice Antonin Scalia's is the most blistering.

1. "The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie."

2. "I write separately to call attention to this Court's threat to American democracy."

3. "The substance of today's decree is not of immense personal importance to me ... It is of overwhelming importance, however, who it is that rules me. Today's decree says that my Ruler, and the Ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast, is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court."

4. "Until the courts put a stop to it, public debate over same-sex marriage displayed American democracy at its best. The five Justices who compose today's majority are entirely comfortable concluding that every State violated the Constitution for all of the 135 years between the Fourteenth Amendment's ratification and Massachusetts' permitting of same-sex marriages in 2003."

5. "Who ever thought that intimacy and spirituality [whatever that means] were freedoms? And if intimacy is, one would think Freedom of Intimacy is abridged rather than expanded by marriage. Ask the nearest hippie. Expression, sure enough, is a freedom, but anyone in a long-lasting marriage will attest that that happy state constricts, rather than expands, what one can prudently say."

Best lines from the Supreme Court on marriage - CNNPolitics.com​

He can write anything he likes? He still was on the 4 side of a 5 to 4 decision.

 

[Seawytch]

For the record, I support same-sex marriage, but I wanted them to get it in a more legit manner, not through lying and ignoring the eventual Pandora's Box this will eventually open.

What is the "more legit manner" you have in mind? Using the court system set up by the U.S. Constitution isn't legit?

The exact same system that "forced" his interracial marriage on a very unwilling (80%) populace.

 

[mudwhistle]

For the record, I support same-sex marriage, but I wanted them to get it in a more legit manner, not through lying and ignoring the eventual Pandora's Box this will eventually open.

What is the "more legit manner" you have in mind? Using the court system set up by the U.S. Constitution isn't legit?

The courts aren't designed to write laws.....in case you didn't know, little miss smartypants.

Congress writes and passes the laws, the president signs them, and the courts affirms their constitutionality. Rewriting laws from the bench just because you have the votes is unconstitutional.

 

[mudwhistle]

What's really bad is you silly cu**s elected this closet Muslim so you could get a marriage license in an attempt at legitimacy, and he's about to flood the United States with hundreds of thousands of Muslim refugees in an attempt to transform America and place it under Sharia Law.

 

[mudwhistle]

Kim Davis is way wrong. She's trying to force her religious beliefs on others.

If she doesn't want to do her job because of those beliefs then she can resign and someone else will be elected to do that job.

Davis is an idiot.

She didn't force anything.

She told them to go to Hell and then gave them directions.

And the next clerk who tells someone to go to Hell when they apply for a gun permit?

They have to show cause......but then you don't need a permit to own a gun. And in case you've never bought a gun......dealers don't have to sell a gun to everyone who qualifies. They can refuse to sell at any time for any reason.

 

[mudwhistle]

The conservative response from Scalia

Each of the four conservative justices wrote their own dissent but Justice Antonin Scalia's is the most blistering.

1. "The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie."

2. "I write separately to call attention to this Court's threat to American democracy."

3. "The substance of today's decree is not of immense personal importance to me ... It is of overwhelming importance, however, who it is that rules me. Today's decree says that my Ruler, and the Ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast, is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court."

4. "Until the courts put a stop to it, public debate over same-sex marriage displayed American democracy at its best. The five Justices who compose today's majority are entirely comfortable concluding that every State violated the Constitution for all of the 135 years between the Fourteenth Amendment's ratification and Massachusetts' permitting of same-sex marriages in 2003."

5. "Who ever thought that intimacy and spirituality [whatever that means] were freedoms? And if intimacy is, one would think Freedom of Intimacy is abridged rather than expanded by marriage. Ask the nearest hippie. Expression, sure enough, is a freedom, but anyone in a long-lasting marriage will attest that that happy state constricts, rather than expands, what one can prudently say."

Best lines from the Supreme Court on marriage - CNNPolitics.com​

He can write anything he likes? He still was on the 4 side of a 5 to 4 decision.

So it's basically a popularity contest.....not an exercise in juris prudence. Both of Obama's nominees lied about their objectivity and impartiality.

This is why Democrats insisted on a litmus test for all judges. This is why Robert Bork never made it.

 

[mudwhistle]

For the record, I support same-sex marriage, but I wanted them to get it in a more legit manner, not through lying and ignoring the eventual Pandora's Box this will eventually open.

What is the "more legit manner" you have in mind? Using the court system set up by the U.S. Constitution isn't legit?

The exact same system that "forced" his interracial marriage on a very unwilling (80%) populace.

Link

Interracial marriage was popular to a majority. Southern Democrats (your party BTW) were pretty much last to sign on to it in the 60s

Nobody could prove any harm, so it became legal.

The rationale by Justice Kennedy for same-sex marriage was tha marriage makes children safe.

Okay. Lol

 

[Bob Blaylock]

That there is a fundamental right to marriage has been established. There have been no less than four supreme court cases where marriage was declared a fundamental right.

To declare marriage a right is not the same thing as foolishly attempting to totally redefine it into something it is not, has never been, and will never be.

 

[mudwhistle]

The Constitution (Amendment 1) says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...."

And the 14th amendment said that what applied to the Fed govt, now applies to state and local govts too. Meaning, no govt can make a law as described by the 1st amendment.

A basic tenet of many religions in this country is that homosexuality is a sin, and is forbidden. That was true in George Washington's time, and is just as true now.

If Congress makes a law saying that people (such as county clerks) must accept a homosexual same-sex "marriage", hasn't Congress (and/or the county govt of Rowan County, Kentucky) violated the 1st amendment?

Why did they jail Kim Davis? Sounds like they should have jailed the Congressmen (or county govt officials) who voted for the law instead, and possibly the affirming justices of the Supreme Court too.

The 1st Amendment only prevents the federal government from making laws for or against religious freedom. The decision to use the 14th Amendment to allow same-sex marriage was unconstitutional because it didn't allow complete freedom for everyone, the freedom for anyone to marry anyone or anything. This decision is a complete sham.

Throwing somebody in jail for not accepting this unconstitutional decision should be prohibited as well. But our court system has been taken over by the gay agenda.

My civil marriage license doesn't infringe on your religion in any way shape or form. Kim Davis was actually trying to impose her religious views on her secular office...you're down with that kind of Sharia law shit?

As long as any person is unable to marry whomever they wish....this is basically a law that was written by the Supreme Court, which is unconstitutional.

The only reason it made it this far is because the Gay Agenda had to lie and claim that they weren't being discriminatory. Discriminatory against marrying inside your own family or marrying regardless of the age or species of the parties.

So Loving was also unconstitutional. Have you told all the interracial couples?

Look, if you think there is no demonstrable harm in marrying your sibling, your dog (can't consent), a child (can't consent), a dead person (can't consent) or more than one person, you are free to do just as gay and interracial couples did and petition the courts. Somehow I don't think you'll fare as well with many of your hyperbolic nonsense...but have fun storming the castle.

If we were to use Rosie O'Donnell as an example of the harm that same-sex marriages can cause....then it would never have made it to the Supreme Court.

Her adopted child is living with her biological mother....because Rosie is a lousy mother apparently.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

We had children before we could marry. Why don't you want our children to have married parents?

I want all children to have a proper married set of parents. That means a father and a mother. By wise, divine design, it takes a father and a mother to create a child, and it also takes a father and a mother to properly raise that child.

Study: Children fare better in traditional mom-dad families

Dear Gay Community: Your Kids Are Hurting

 

[Bob Blaylock]

[ Marriage always has been, and always will be, between a man and a woman. To call anything else a marriage does not make it so, and only makes a sick mockery of genuine marriage.

There is nothing in the Constitution which allows or supports the outrageous attempt to redefine marriage to include sick mockeries thereof; and in any case, such a redefinition is nonsense, just as if the court had ruled that a rotifer is an elephant.

So...you wish to force your interpretation onto the rest of the country. Cool...

No “interpretation” here, just the plain and obvious truth.

Marriage is what it is, defined by a higher authority than any mortal court, or legislature; and backed by science and nature. We mortals do not have the authority nor the power to redefine it, and it is folly to try. To do so is to stand against God and to stand against nature.

And even if the Constitution had the power to override God and to override nature, there is nothing in it which attempts to do so. There is not a single word written in the Constitution, that was written by anyone who would have ever entertained the idea that marriage could be anything other than what it is.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Something for everyone to keep in mind is that Jesus had two Fathers!

 

[Arizona Willie]

If you believe that each time Ms. Davis in Kentucky violated the people's civil rights each time she denied a citizen a license and that is a hate crime because hate for homos is her motivation, then call the Justice Department and ask why they haven't filed hate crime charges against her.

Department of Justice Main Switchboard - 202-514-2000

Department Comment Line - 202-353-1555

Christian Taliban

 

[bodecea]

For the record, I support same-sex marriage, but I wanted them to get it in a more legit manner, not through lying and ignoring the eventual Pandora's Box this will eventually open.

What is the "more legit manner" you have in mind? Using the court system set up by the U.S. Constitution isn't legit?

The courts aren't designed to write laws.....in case you didn't know, little miss smartypants.

Congress writes and passes the laws, the president signs them, and the courts affirms their constitutionality. Rewriting laws from the bench just because you have the votes is unconstitutional.

Apparently even my pants are smarter than you. No law was written by the Supreme Court. They struck down bad laws preventing gays from participating in legal marriage. Just like under Loving v. Virginia, no law was written by the Supreme Court....however bad laws preventing inter-racial marriage were struck down.

 

[mudwhistle]

Something for everyone to keep in mind is that Jesus had two Fathers!

Sure he did....*rolls eyes*

God is his only father. Joseph was basically his step-father.

You've been watching too much history channel.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Obviously you have forced your interpretation on the rest of the country. 10 years ago this wasn't even worth considering. Now the media has not only made it into an idea, but a reality. This is how propaganda works.

Its on thing to give someone the right to do this. Quite another thing when you start throwing people in jail and taking away their freedom.

Not reality. An illusion; an act of hubris embodied in law. It's like when the Supreme Court ruled that a tomato is not a fruit. Anyone with a basic understanding of botany knows what a fruit is, and recognizes that a tomato is, in fact, a fruit. A tomato did not cease to be a fruit, just because the court so ruled. All that this did was to show how foolish the law can be, at times.

Trying to redefine marriage is exactly the same. Marriage will never be anything other than a specific type of union between a man and a woman. No court can change this,no legislature can change this, no President or King or Emperor or any other executive of government can change this; any more than they can cause a tomato to not be a fruit.

 

[bodecea]

What's really bad is you silly cu**s elected this closet Muslim so you could get a marriage license in an attempt at legitimacy, and he's about to flood the United States with hundreds of thousands of Muslim refugees in an attempt to transform America and place it under Sharia Law.

Ok, so you've gone off the deep end.