Is killing the hostage negotiators the best way to free the hostages ?

[martybegan]

Maybe they shouldn’t have ordered one of their terrorist operatives to shoot up a bus filled with civilians in Jerusalem killing 8 innocent people, then take credit for it the next day and celebrate it. Did they really think Israel was going to let that one slide? Israel is done ******* around with these savages.

People forget that the whole "rules of war" concept was created with the assumption that both sides would follow the rules.

 

[BothWings]

Its difficult when aipac picks your politicians. I think its as bad over here but not so blatant.

Kind of like how the DNC chose Kamala to run instead of the voters.

("Over here"
Oops, I forgot you're "over there". Yes, well I know Britain is notorious for it.

 

[USAF 2023]

Have you purchased your motorized paraglider yet??

Still waiting...

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[Sherlock Holmes]

Maybe they shouldn’t have ordered one of their terrorist operatives to shoot up a bus filled with civilians in Jerusalem killing 8 innocent people, then take credit for it the next day and celebrate it. Did they really think Israel was going to let that one slide? Israel is done ******* around with these savages.

Isn't it odd how Arab terrorism campaigns were barely a blip on the radar in Palestine for hundreds of years, until the British mandate was established in 1920? I wonder what could have happened?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Reminds me of something from history, but what...ahh yes I remember now:

 

[Shusha]

Not when Netanyahu doesnt really give a shit about releasing the hostages.

Shallow assumption about Netanyahu's personal feelings about the hostages and how to bring them home. Hamas is unlikely to give the last of them up in a ceasefire deal. Rescue from the tunnels is near impossible. Military pressure has its own risks and complications. And, most importantly, how do we demonstrate that taking hostages will not be an effective strategy for future attacks while doing everything we can to bring them home? Its an impossible situation for Israel to be in.

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[Shusha]

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Reminds me of something from history, but what...ahh yes I remember now:

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Nonsense. Israel has attacked no countries, only targeted militants and terrorists. You know very well the difference between invasion and eliminating military targets. So very eager to find any silly excuse to falsely compare Israel to Nazis.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

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Reminds me of something from history, but what...ahh yes I remember now:

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The hostage families think Netanyahu has kille the hostages.
The whole thing is not about the hostages its about Netnyahu.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Nonsense. Israel has attacked no countries, only targeted militants and terrorists. You know very well the difference between invasion and eliminating military targets. So very eager to find any silly excuse to falsely compare Israel to Nazis.

They bombed Qatar on monday. Qatar already bribed trump so thats pissed him off.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Nonsense. Israel has attacked no countries, only targeted militants and terrorists. You know very well the difference between invasion and eliminating military targets. So very eager to find any silly excuse to falsely compare Israel to Nazis.

Depends who you ask. I'm sure Hitler would have denied wrongdoing too.

 

[Shusha]

They bombed Qatar on monday. Qatar already bribed trump so thats pissed him off.

They didn't bomb Qatar, as such. They eliminated terrorists (military targets) that were being harbored by Qatar.

 

[Shusha]

Depends who you ask. I'm sure Hitler would have denied wrongdoing too.

Who is denying wrongdoing? I'm just pointing out the very real difference between an invasion with an intent to permanently occupy and eliminating terrorists.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

They didn't bomb Qatar, as such. They eliminated terrorists (military targets) that were being harbored by Qatar.

They detonated explosives on Qatari soil, damaging a Qatari building and killing a Qatari citizen - honest people call that "Bombing Qatar".

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Who is denying wrongdoing? I'm just pointing out the very real difference between an invasion with an intent to permanently occupy and eliminating terrorists.

Who said there was no difference between Israel's warmongering and the Third Reich's? I said the former reminded me of the latter.

 

[Roudy]

Its difficult when aipac picks your politicians. I think its as bad over here but not so blatant.

Aw boohoo! it’s always fascinating…how does a gay man get to support Islamic terrorists like Hamas and the Palestinians who believe that all queers should be executed openly.

This is exactly why Leftism is a mental illness.

 

[Roudy]

Who said there was no difference between Israel's warmongering and the Third Reich's? I said the former reminded me of the latter.

Eh get over it, the closest to the Nazis are Islamist animals like Hamas and their supporters like yourself. That’s actual factual history. In fact, Palestinians are the bastard children of the marriage between Islamism and Nazism.

Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, was a prominent Arab nationalist leader who collaborated with the Nazis during World War II
. From 1941 to 1945, he lived in Berlin as a guest of the Nazi regime and engaged in extensive propaganda efforts to promote the Axis cause in the Arab and Muslim world.
His collaboration was primarily driven by a shared animosity toward the British, who ruled Palestine under a League of Nations mandate, and a virulent antisemitism.
Key aspects of his collaboration include:

• Meeting with Hitler: In November 1941, al-Husseini met with Adolf Hitler in Berlin. During the meeting, al-Husseini requested a public statement or treaty guaranteeing Arab independence and the "removal" of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Hitler agreed to support the "annihilation of Jewry living in Arab space" once German forces were near the region, but declined to make a formal public statement.
• Nazi propaganda: Al-Husseini became the face of Nazi propaganda directed at Muslims and Arabs. Through radio broadcasts, he called for Arabs to support the Axis powers and incited violence against Jews and the British.
• Recruitment efforts: He helped recruit Muslim fighters for the Axis cause, most notably assisting in the formation of the Muslim Waffen-SS division "Handzar" in Bosnia.
• Influence on the Holocaust: While Nazi Germany had already developed and implemented its plan for the Final Solution, al-Husseini used his influence to pressure Nazi officials, such as Adolf Eichmann, to block any potential rescue efforts for European Jews.

After the war, al-Husseini was briefly arrested by French authorities but escaped to Egypt. He continued to be a leading voice of anti-Zionist and anti-Jewish propaganda until his death in 1974.

 

[Roudy]

Eh get over it, the closest to the Nazis are Islamist animals like Hamas and their supporters like yourself. That’s actual factual history. In fact, Palestinians are the bastard children of the marriage between Islamism and Nazism.

Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, was a prominent Arab nationalist leader who collaborated with the Nazis during World War II
. From 1941 to 1945, he lived in Berlin as a guest of the Nazi regime and engaged in extensive propaganda efforts to promote the Axis cause in the Arab and Muslim world.
His collaboration was primarily driven by a shared animosity toward the British, who ruled Palestine under a League of Nations mandate, and a virulent antisemitism.
Key aspects of his collaboration include:

• Meeting with Hitler: In November 1941, al-Husseini met with Adolf Hitler in Berlin. During the meeting, al-Husseini requested a public statement or treaty guaranteeing Arab independence and the "removal" of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Hitler agreed to support the "annihilation of Jewry living in Arab space" once German forces were near the region, but declined to make a formal public statement.
• Nazi propaganda: Al-Husseini became the face of Nazi propaganda directed at Muslims and Arabs. Through radio broadcasts, he called for Arabs to support the Axis powers and incited violence against Jews and the British.
• Recruitment efforts: He helped recruit Muslim fighters for the Axis cause, most notably assisting in the formation of the Muslim Waffen-SS division "Handzar" in Bosnia.
• Influence on the Holocaust: While Nazi Germany had already developed and implemented its plan for the Final Solution, al-Husseini used his influence to pressure Nazi officials, such as Adolf Eichmann, to block any potential rescue efforts for European Jews.

After the war, al-Husseini was briefly arrested by French authorities but escaped to Egypt. He continued to be a leading voice of anti-Zionist and anti-Jewish propaganda until his death in 1974.

Icon of Evil: Hitler's Mufti and the Rise of Radical Islam​

by David G. Dalin (Author), John F. Rothmann (Author)
4.5 4.5 out of 5 stars 64 ratings
A chilling, fascinating, and nearly forgotten historical figure is resurrected in a riveting work that links the fascism of the last century with the terrorism of our own. Written with verve and extraordinary access to primary sources in several languages, Icon of Evil is the definitive account of the man who during World War II was called “the führer of the Arab world” and whose ugly legacy lives on today.

In 1921, the beneficiary of an appointment the British would live to regret, Haj Amin al-Husseini became the mufti of Jerusalem, the most eminent and influential Islamic leader in the Middle East. For years, al-Husseini fomented violence in the region against the Jews he loathed and wished to destroy. Forced out in 1937, he eventually found his way to the country whose legions he desperately wished to join: Nazi Germany.

Here, with new and disturbing details, David G. Dalin and John F. Rothmann show how al-Husseini ingratiated himself with his hero, Adolf Hitler, becoming, with his blonde hair and blue eyes, an “honorary Aryan,” while dreaming of being installed Nazi leader of the Middle East. Al-Husseini would later recruit more than 100,000 Muslims in Europe to fight in divisions of the Waffen-SS, and obstruct negotiations with the Allies that might have allowed four thousand Jewish children to escape to Palestine. Some believe that al-Husseini even inspired Hitler to implement the Final Solution. At war’s end, al-Husseini escaped indictment at Nuremberg and was harbored in France before being given a hero’s welcome in Egypt.

Icon of Evil chronicles al-Husseini’s postwar relationships with such influential Islamic figures as the radical theoretician Sayyid Qutb and Saddam Hussein’s powerful uncle, General Khairallah Talfah, and his crucial mentoring of the young Yasser Arafat. Finally, it provides compelling evidence that al-Husseini’s actions and writings serve as inspirations today to the leaders of Hamas, Hezbollah, and other terrorist organizations pledged to destroy Israel and the United States.
Revelatory and unsettling, Icon of Evil reveals an essential character in the worst crimes of the modern era. It is an important addition to our understanding of the past, present, and future of radical Islam.

 

[Roudy]

Isn't it odd how Arab terrorism campaigns were barely a blip on the radar in Palestine for hundreds of years, until the British mandate was established in 1920? I wonder what could have happened?

What happened is this, you ignorant buffoon:

Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, was a prominent Arab nationalist and Islamist leader who became a notorious collaborator with Nazi Germany during World War II
Though some refer to him as "Hitler's mufti," the Nazis mainly used him for strategic purposes, such as broadcasting propaganda to the Arab world to stir up anti-British and antisemitic sentiment.
Who was Haj Amin al-Husseini?

• Early Career: Born in Jerusalem in 1895, al-Husseini became the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and the leader of the Palestinian Arabs during the British Mandate.
• Anti-British and anti-Jewish stance: He was an uncompromising opponent of Jewish immigration to Palestine and British rule, and he incited anti-Jewish violence and supported the Arab revolt in the 1930s. In 1937, he fled British persecution and went into exile.
• Embracing the Axis: While in exile, al-Husseini sought support from the Axis powers, Italy and Germany, to further his anti-British and anti-Jewish agenda.

His collaboration with the Nazis
In 1941, al-Husseini moved to Berlin and remained there for the rest of the war as a guest of the Nazi regime. Key aspects of his collaboration included:

• Meeting with Hitler: He met Adolf Hitler on November 28, 1941, to discuss coordinating Nazi and Arab policies. During the meeting, Hitler confirmed that the "struggle against a Jewish homeland in Palestine" was part of the Nazi "struggle against the Jews".
• Anti-Allied Propaganda: Al-Husseini became the face of Axis propaganda aimed at the Arab and Muslim world. He conducted radio broadcasts inciting hatred for the Allies and Jews and recruited Muslims for Nazi military units.
• Recruitment for the SS: He was instrumental in recruiting Muslims for the Waffen-SS, most notably the Bosnian Muslim "Handzar" division.

The nature of the alliance
The relationship between al-Husseini and the Nazis was one of shared interests rather than mutual respect.

• Strategic, not ideological, alliance: The Nazis, particularly Hitler and Himmler, saw Islam as a powerful, aggressive religion suitable for their agenda. They promoted alliances with certain Muslim leaders for strategic reasons, especially to counter British influence in the Middle East.
• Hitler's racism: Hitler's racist views did not exclude Arabs. He refused to shake al-Husseini's hand or drink coffee with him during their 1941 meeting.
• Means to an end: For al-Husseini, Nazi Germany was a potential ally against British colonialism and the Zionist movement. For Hitler, al-Husseini and Muslim communities were a useful tool to weaken the Allies.

After the war
After the war, al-Husseini was arrested but eventually fled to Egypt, where he continued to spread anti-Zionist and anti-Jewish propaganda until his death in 1974.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Eh get over it, the closest to the Nazis are Islamist animals like Hamas and their supporters like yourself. That’s actual factual history. In fact, Palestinians are the bastard children of the marriage between Islamism and Nazism.

Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, was a prominent Arab nationalist leader who collaborated with the Nazis during World War II
. From 1941 to 1945, he lived in Berlin as a guest of the Nazi regime and engaged in extensive propaganda efforts to promote the Axis cause in the Arab and Muslim world.
His collaboration was primarily driven by a shared animosity toward the British, who ruled Palestine under a League of Nations mandate, and a virulent antisemitism.
Key aspects of his collaboration include:

• Meeting with Hitler: In November 1941, al-Husseini met with Adolf Hitler in Berlin. During the meeting, al-Husseini requested a public statement or treaty guaranteeing Arab independence and the "removal" of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Hitler agreed to support the "annihilation of Jewry living in Arab space" once German forces were near the region, but declined to make a formal public statement.
• Nazi propaganda: Al-Husseini became the face of Nazi propaganda directed at Muslims and Arabs. Through radio broadcasts, he called for Arabs to support the Axis powers and incited violence against Jews and the British.
• Recruitment efforts: He helped recruit Muslim fighters for the Axis cause, most notably assisting in the formation of the Muslim Waffen-SS division "Handzar" in Bosnia.
• Influence on the Holocaust: While Nazi Germany had already developed and implemented its plan for the Final Solution, al-Husseini used his influence to pressure Nazi officials, such as Adolf Eichmann, to block any potential rescue efforts for European Jews.

After the war, al-Husseini was briefly arrested by French authorities but escaped to Egypt. He continued to be a leading voice of anti-Zionist and anti-Jewish propaganda until his death in 1974.

Israel are the new nazis. No doubt about that.

 

[Roudy]

Israel are the new nazis. No doubt about that.

You’d have to be a pretty ignorant and mentally ill to say that.