IDF Attacks Hamas in Qatar

[Sherlock Holmes]

A strictly pro forma statement in defense of national sovereignty, after the 911 attack on the US by other Muslim terrorists, the UNSC passed resolution 1373, which is still in effect:

UNSC Resolution 1373
Adopted unanimously under Chapter VII of the UN Charter on September 28, 2001, Resolution 1373 is binding on all member states. It explicitly requires nations to:

• Deny safe haven: All states must "deny safe haven to those who finance, plan, support, or commit terrorist acts".
• Criminalize terrorism: Require member states to criminalize the financing of terrorism and bring to justice any person involved in terrorist acts.
• Freeze assets: Immediately freeze the funds and other financial assets of persons and entities involved in terrorist acts.
• Prevent movement: Take steps to prevent the movement of terrorists by implementing effective border controls and other measures.
• Cooperate internationally: Cooperate in criminal investigations and in the exchange of information related to terrorist acts.

Resolution 1373 also created the Counter-Terrorism Committee (CTC) to monitor the implementation of the resolution by member states.

Under the cover of UNSC 1373, Obama violated Pakistan's sovereignty to kill bin Laden but then violated UNSC 1373 by persuading Qatar to provide safe haven for the Hamas leadership.

Israel's attempt to kill the Hamas criminals in Doha was no different from the US action to kill bin Laden in Pakistan.

Aside from idiots and bigots like yourself, the world has mostly forgotten about this and the Hamas criminals and their Qatari supporters are eager to resume talks about Hamas' demands to stop torturing and killing Israeli hostages.

Right, so Israel can protest it at the UN if it disapproves of Hamas being in Qatar and work on getting a resolution. But it did not, it does not abide by international law. Instead it executed an act of terrorism against Qatar.

Nothing in 1373 authorizes the use of unilateral military force against another state (other than in response to an armed attack by that state which is standard UN Charter).

It does say this in 1373

That states must combat terrorism in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations - that charter defines how states can behave and deciding to just one day detonate explosives in other countries because it feels like it, is not a behavior authorized by the UN Charter.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Right, so Israel can protest it at the UN if it disapproves of Hamas being in Qatar and work on getting a resolution. But it did not, it does not abide by international law. Instead it executed an act of terrorism against Qatar.

Nothing in 1373 authorizes the use of unilateral military force against another state (other than in response to an armed attack by that state which is standard UN Charter).

It does say this in 1373

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That states must combat terrorism in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations - that charter defines how states can behave and deciding to just one day detonate explosives in other countries because it feels like it, is not a behavior authorized by the UN Charter.

Do you wake up this stupid in the morning or do you have to work at it? After 9/11 the US did protest it to the UN and UNSC was the UN's response and under the protection of 1373 the US entered Pakistan and killed bin Laden in exactly the same way Israel attempted to kill the Hamas criminals in Doha. That's why even the Qataris and the Hamas criminals have already forgotten about it.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Do you wake up this stupid in the morning or do you have to work at it?

I beg your pardon?

After 9/11 the US did protest it to the UN and UNSC was the UN's response and under the protection of 1373 the US entered Pakistan and killed bin Laden in exactly the same way Israel attempted to kill the Hamas criminals in Doha. That's why even the Qataris and the Hamas criminals have already forgotten about it.

The bombing in Qatar and the targeted extra-judicial execution in Pakistan are both illegal under international law.

If another country carried out a targeted bombing on United States soil without the US government's awareness, could that ever be legal in your mind?

The UN provides many remedies for apprehending and bringing people to face justice, but when these are set aside and extra judicial execution takes it's place that is a breach of international law and a violation of sovereignty.

You support Israeli exceptionalism, that's all this is because that's all you've got.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I beg your pardon?

The bombing in Qatar and the targeted extra-judicial execution in Pakistan are both illegal under international law.

If another country carried out a targeted bombing on United States soil without the US government's awareness, could that ever be legal in your mind?

The UN provides many remedies for apprehending and bringing people to face justice, when these are set aside and extra judicial execution takes it's place that is a breach of international law.

You support Israeli exceptionalism, that's all this is.

"The UN provides many remedies for apprehending and bringing people to face justice, when these are set aside and extra judicial execution takes it's place that is a breach of international law."

As always, you are completely full of shit. The UN provides no remedies for dealing with terrorism or support of terrorism. Every action by Hamas and Qatar's support of Hamas has been in violation of international law and the UN has done nothing about it because it has no power to do anything about it. You continue to display an astonishing level of ignorance about the world.

The legality of the US killing of bin Laden in Pakistan and the Israeli attempt to kill the Hamas criminals in Qatar is an open question, but the general lack of interest in the question would suggest a consensus that it is not.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

"The UN provides many remedies for apprehending and bringing people to face justice, when these are set aside and extra judicial execution takes it's place that is a breach of international law."

As always, you are completely full of shit.

If you cannot disagree with me like an adult and stop having temper tantrums, then no purpose can be served by this conversation, my time is too valuable to waste on this kind of petulance.

The UN provides no remedies for dealing with terrorism or support of terrorism. Every action by Hamas and Qatar's support of Hamas has been in violation of international law and the UN has done nothing about it because it has no power to do anything about it. You continue to display an astonishing level of ignorance about the world.

The legality of the US killing of bin Laden in Pakistan and the Israeli attempt to kill the Hamas criminals in Qatar is an open question, but the general lack of interest in the question would suggest a consensus that it is not.

 

[toomuchtime_]

If you cannot disagree with me like an adult and stop having temper tantrums, then no purpose can be served by this conversation, my time is too valuable to waste on this kind of petulance.

In other words you admit you were lying when you said the UN provided remedies for dealing with terrorism.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

In other words you admit you were lying when you said the UN provided remedies for dealing with terrorism.

If you cannot disagree with me like an adult and stop having temper tantrums, then no purpose can be served by this conversation, my time is too valuable to waste on this kind of petulance.

 

[toomuchtime_]

If you cannot disagree with me like an adult and stop having temper tantrums, then no purpose can be served by this conversation, my time is too valuable to waste on this kind of petulance.

Stop pouting. You only make yourself look more ridiculous.

 

[Roudy]

I see, so this is just more of your "Kill all Arabs!" extremism, gottit.

Actually it’s Muslims aren’t going to keep invading and killing us infidels as they have for the last 1400 years, which seems to be upsetting to you.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Actually it’s Muslims aren’t going to keep invading and killing us infidels as they have for the last 1400 years, which seems to be upsetting to you.

It was Germans who exterminated six million Jews, Christian civilization not Islam.

Buy books.

 

[Roudy]

Why are you here? You are a traitor. Join the IDF so you can kill babies and rape boys.
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Ha ha ha, you are very funny, Mohammad. Do you really think this is like one of your Muslim shithole countries where you get to call non Muslims and Jews “traitors”, and oppress, persecute and kill them?

Actually you’re the enemy within traitor that needs to be looked into and sent back. Sad thing is we’ve let in too many filthy America hating fifth column terrorist lovers like you:

Non-Muslims and minority Muslim sects face religious oppression and persecution in various Muslim-majority countries, with incidents ranging from legal restrictions on religious practices and cultural discrimination to violent acts like mob violence, murder, and even massacres driven by extremist ideologies and hate speech, as seen with Christians, Ahmadis, Baha'is, and Yazidis in regions from the Middle East to South Asia.

Forms of Oppression and Persecution

• Legal and Social Discrimination:
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  Non-Muslims and minority sects often face legal restrictions on their religious practices, such as prohibiting the repair of churches or public worship, and may be considered second-class citizens. They may also be forced to pay higher taxes and tariffs.
  
  
• Violent Attacks and Massacres:
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  Mobs have torched churches, and groups have committed massacres, as reported in countries like Iraq and Egypt, targeting Christians and other non-Muslims.
  
  
• Targeting of Minority Muslim Groups:
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  The persecution is not limited to non-Muslims; minority Muslim sects like the Ahmadis have faced legal prohibitions against practicing their faith, including being forbidden from calling themselves Muslims or using mosque-like buildings.
  
  
• Destruction of Religious Sites:
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  Efforts have been made to destroy religious buildings and historical sites associated with non-Muslim communities, as seen with the Baha'i faith in Iran.
  
  
• Extremist Ideologies:
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  Violence and discrimination are often fueled by a "toxic culture of extremist Muslim supremacy," which promotes hostility toward non-Muslims and minority sects.

Affected Groups and Regions

• Christians:
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  Have been targeted in various regions, including Egypt, Iraq, and other Muslim-majority nations in Africa, Asia, and the Middle East.
  
  
• Ahmadis:
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  In countries like Pakistan, they have been legally declared non-Muslim and face restrictions on their religious practices and public expressions of faith.
  
  
• Baha'is:
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  In Iran, Baha'is have been subjected to killings, imprisonment, and the destruction of their sacred sites.
  
  
• Yazidis:
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  In places like Iraq, the Yazidi minority has faced violent attacks, forcing mass displacement.

Contributing Factors

• Religious Ideology:
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  Some interpretations of religious texts are used to justify discrimination and violence against non-Muslims and perceived heretical groups.
  
  
• Government Action:
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  In some cases, governments and their agents are directly involved in or condone the persecution of non-Muslims.
  
  
• Extremist Groups:
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  Violent extremist groups and vigilantes often take matters into their own hands, carrying out attacks and driving communities from their home

 

[Roudy]

It was Germans who exterminated six million Jews, Christian civilization not Islam.

Buy books.

Ha ha ha, what an ignorant buffoon. Muslims haven’t been much better, they’ve been invading and killing non Muslims since their terrorist prophet set foot in the Arabian peninsula. How the **** do you think Islam spread, you moron? It was with flowers.

Countries and regions invaded
After the death of Muhammad in 632 CE, Muslim armies engaged in a rapid series of conquests that resulted in the spread of Islamic rule across vast territories in Africa, Asia, and Europe.
Middle East

• Levant (modern Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Jordan): The Byzantine province of Syria was among the first territories conquered, secured by the Battle of Yarmuk in 636 CE.
• Persia (modern Iran): The Muslim conquest of Persia (633–651 CE) led to the collapse of the Sasanian Empire after decisive battles like al-Qadisiyyah (636 CE) and Nahavand (642 CE).
• Iraq: Mesopotamia was conquered early in the campaigns against the Sasanian Empire.

North Africa

• Egypt: Muslim forces invaded Egypt in 639 CE, ending Byzantine rule in the region by 642 CE.
• Maghreb (modern Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco): Beginning in 647 CE, Muslim armies gradually conquered the region, defeating Byzantine and Berber forces.
• Spain and Portugal (Iberian Peninsula): Starting in 711 CE, an army of Arabs and Berbers crossed the Strait of Gibraltar, rapidly conquering most of the peninsula.

Central and South Asia

• Transoxiana (Central Asia): Modern-day Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and surrounding areas were conquered during the late 7th and early 8th centuries.
• Indian Subcontinent: Muslim incursions and subsequent conquests began in the 8th century, with major campaigns continuing between the 13th and 18th centuries. This included the invasions of Muhammad-bin Qasim in Sindh (modern-day Pakistan) and later conquests by the Ghaznavid, Ghurid, and Mughal empires.
• Afghanistan: The region was subjected to repeated campaigns and saw protracted resistance before coming under sustained Muslim control.

Europe

• France: Muslim forces crossed the Pyrenees but were ultimately turned back by a Frankish army at the Battle of Tours in 732 CE.
• Mediterranean islands: Campaigns led to the conquest of islands such as Cyprus, Rhodes, and Sicily.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Ha ha ha, what an ignorant buffoon. Muslims haven’t been much better, they’ve been invading and killing non Muslims since their terrorist prophet set foot in the Arabian peninsula. How the **** do you think Islam spread, you moron? It was with flowers.

Countries and regions invaded
After the death of Muhammad in 632 CE, Muslim armies engaged in a rapid series of conquests that resulted in the spread of Islamic rule across vast territories in Africa, Asia, and Europe.
Middle East

• Levant (modern Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Jordan): The Byzantine province of Syria was among the first territories conquered, secured by the Battle of Yarmuk in 636 CE.
• Persia (modern Iran): The Muslim conquest of Persia (633–651 CE) led to the collapse of the Sasanian Empire after decisive battles like al-Qadisiyyah (636 CE) and Nahavand (642 CE).
• Iraq: Mesopotamia was conquered early in the campaigns against the Sasanian Empire.

North Africa

• Egypt: Muslim forces invaded Egypt in 639 CE, ending Byzantine rule in the region by 642 CE.
• Maghreb (modern Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco): Beginning in 647 CE, Muslim armies gradually conquered the region, defeating Byzantine and Berber forces.
• Spain and Portugal (Iberian Peninsula): Starting in 711 CE, an army of Arabs and Berbers crossed the Strait of Gibraltar, rapidly conquering most of the peninsula.

Central and South Asia

• Transoxiana (Central Asia): Modern-day Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and surrounding areas were conquered during the late 7th and early 8th centuries.
• Indian Subcontinent: Muslim incursions and subsequent conquests began in the 8th century, with major campaigns continuing between the 13th and 18th centuries. This included the invasions of Muhammad-bin Qasim in Sindh (modern-day Pakistan) and later conquests by the Ghaznavid, Ghurid, and Mughal empires.
• Afghanistan: The region was subjected to repeated campaigns and saw protracted resistance before coming under sustained Muslim control.

Europe

• France: Muslim forces crossed the Pyrenees but were ultimately turned back by a Frankish army at the Battle of Tours in 732 CE.
• Mediterranean islands: Campaigns led to the conquest of islands such as Cyprus, Rhodes, and Sicily.

I don't have time to check your examples, but suffice to say white Christian culture has colonized and invaded far more territory than Islamic culture has.

United States - indigenous wiped out.
South America - same
Mexico - same.
Australia - same
Canada - same
India - invaded and colonized
Algeria - same
Vietnam - same
Belgian Congo - same
South Africa - same
Mozambique - same
Hawaii - same

I could go on as you well know.

 

[Roudy]

I don't have time to check your examples, but suffice to say white Christian culture has colonized and invaded far more territory than Islamic culture has.

United States - indigenous wiped out.
South America - same
Mexico - same.
Australia - same
Canada - same
India - invaded and colonized
Algeria - same
Vietnam - same
Belgian Congo - same
South Africa - same
Mozambique - same
Hawaii - same

I could go on as you well know.

You’re an ignorant idiot, that can’t refute factual history. That’s what’s the same.

 

[TimFitz]

Nonsense. Israel has abided by International Humanitarian Law since the beginning of its offensive in Gaza so there have been no war crimes.

That is a flagrant lie.

 

[toomuchtime_]

That is a flagrant lie.

Every Israeli attack that might put non combatants in danger has to be certified by IDF lawyers that it abides by International Humanitarian Law before it can be initiated. No other country, not even the US, has ever adhered so closely to the demands of International Humanitarian Law as Israel has in this war.

 

[Shusha]

That is a flagrant lie.

Make a case for your position. Provide an example of law and make a case for Israel's violation of that law. Be specific in both the law and the evidence.

 

[TimFitz]

Make a case for your position. Provide an example of law and make a case for Israel's violation of that law. Be specific in both the law and the evidence.

Gaza: Israeli Killings of Palestinians Seeking Food Are War Crimes

Israeli forces at the sites of a new US-backed aid distribution system in Gaza have routinely opened fire on starving Palestinian civilians in acts that amount to serious violations of international law and war crimes, Human Rights Watch said today.

www.hrw.org

The whitewash isn’t playing anywhere.

 

[Shusha]

Gaza: Israeli Killings of Palestinians Seeking Food Are War Crimes

Israeli forces at the sites of a new US-backed aid distribution system in Gaza have routinely opened fire on starving Palestinian civilians in acts that amount to serious violations of international law and war crimes, Human Rights Watch said today.

www.hrw.org

The whitewash isn’t playing anywhere.

What crime are you accusing Israel of?

 

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