Is Kerry a throwaway candidate?

[ScreamingEagle]

Kerry is so all around bad - you just gotta wonder!

If Kerry loses he can just go home to his rich wife and have a few laughs. I don't see him as any great leader of the Dimwits.

Or has the presidential election just become a "we vs them" show for the masses - as bad as a TV show? Does it really even matter who sits in the presidential seat other than which party?

I'm getting cynical.

 

[Bonnie]

Kerry is so all around bad - you just gotta wonder!

If Kerry loses he can just go home to his rich wife and have a few laughs. I don't see him as any great leader of the Dimwits.

Or has the presidential election just become a "we vs them" show for the masses - as bad as a TV show? Does it really even matter who sits in the presidential seat other than which party?



I'm getting cynical.

I have said this before...you could have put a man in chimp costume and run him on the Dem ticket, and he would still garner votes and praise. The libs are losing their infulence on mainstream America, and they are panicked like crazy. Kerry was definately second or third fiddle in all of this. Its embarrassing to watch him speak. As a candidate he is a joke, I think most know it but can't admit it, especially in the press. So it must be us vs them. Im afraid if Bush does win in Nov legitamately the Dems will turn it into a huge mess!!!!

 

[DKSuddeth]

a socialist outlook will be very tempting by a majority of the population come 2008, what plan does the republican party have for showing a better capitalist outlook?

 

[Fmr jarhead]

I think they do want a candidate that will not win, so that Hillary has a shot in 2008. If Kerry does win, it means that Hillary won't have a shot until 2016, supposing that Kerry would run for a second term.

At which point she would be 69 years old....and tied for the record of the oldest elected President (assuming she would get elected, of course)

Naw, I think the DNC has entered the longshot in to the race, and is actually discouraged by how well he is doing with all the favors the Bush admin has done for him. The ABB chant has died some, but it still seems as though the election red and blue map will be about the same. (only with a bigger margin in favor of Bush, this time around)

 

[Bonnie]

a socialist outlook will be very tempting by a majority of the population come 2008, what plan does the republican party have for showing a better capitalist outlook?

You fight socialism with a bustling and ever growing economy...We seem to be on our way in that direction, but more things need to be done in that regard. My concern is not where the economy is at in 2008, but what kind of spin the socialistic media put on it in their zeal to put Hillary in the White House

 

[DKSuddeth]

You fight socialism with a bustling and ever growing economy...We seem to be on our way in that direction, but more things need to be done in that regard. My concern is not where the economy is at in 2008, but what kind of spin the socialistic media put on it in their zeal to put Hillary in the White House

If a bustling economy means that the stock market, corporations, business, and investments are sky high but salaries, employment, and labor market is down while prices are high, then get ready for a democrat president. If the bustling economy includes good jobs, salaries, and consumer prices then the Republicans shouldn't have to worry about whatever spin is made.

 

[Bonnie]

Curious if anyone has good numbers regarding the economy when Clinton was president to the economy now???

Specifically in the areas that Suddeth has mentioned.

 

[Annie]

Curious if anyone has good numbers regarding the economy when Clinton was president to the economy now???

Specifically in the areas that Suddeth has mentioned.

Number crunching done here: http://www.polipundit.com/

 

[Annie]

Number crunching done here: http://www.polipundit.com/

Here's one example:

http://www.polipundit.com/2004_08_15_polipundit_archive.html#109276805035081537

Cognitive Dissonance: Clinton's re-election economy versus Bush's re-election economy

June 30, 1996

Year-over-year wage growth (inflation adjusted):

Business sector: + 0.9 percent
Nonfarm business sector: + 0.9 percent
Manufacturing sector: + 0.9 percent

On the other hand:

June 30, 2004

Year-over-year wage growth (inflation adjusted):

Business sector: + 1.7 percent
Nonfarm business sector: + 1.9 percent
Manufacturing sector: + 3.0 percent

And, if that gives you a bit of cognitive dissonance, check this out:

January 1, 1993 - December 31, 1996 (Clinton's entire first term)

Real wages

Business sector: minus 0.4 percent
Nonfarm business sector: minus 0.5 percent
Manufacturing sector: minus 0.2 percent

On the other hand,

January 1, 2001 - June 30, 2004 (under Bush)

Real wages

Business sector: plus 5.2 percent (+5.2)
Nonfarm business sector: plus 4.8 percent (+4.8)
Manufacturing sector: plus 12.4 percent (+ 12.4)

Hmm. Substantially more robust real earnings growth, under Bush, when compared to the exact same period in Clinton's re-election cycle. Furthermore, there has been positive, inflation-adjusted wage growth, under Bush, despite the recession, 9/11, and the two wars. Conversely, real wages, during Clinton's first term, actually declined, literally across-the-board!

But I've never seen any of these stats in Time, or Newsweek, or on Dan's, Tom's or Peter's programs, or on CNN, or on CNBC, or in USA Today or any of the big city "news"papers.

I wonder why [the GOP controls the White House] the "mainstream media" [and the U.S. Senate] is not prominently reporting [and the U.S. House] these facts [and a large majority of the state governments] to the public?

Note: For the raw data, see here (1996) and here (Tables A and B - 2004) and here (Table C and Appendix Tables 7-9 -- for the historical data).

posted by Jayson at 2:37 PM

 

[freeandfun1]

Damn I wish people would believe all this. I have pointed out over and over again why this economy really is better than the economy under Clinton, but only my fair minded friends here on USMB know this info. I try to educate those I meet, but most DO NOT want to hear it. They prefer to believe the myths they hear from the media.

 

[Hobbit]

Damn I wish people would believe all this. I have pointed out over and over again why this economy really is better than the economy under Clinton, but only my fair minded friends here on USMB know this info. I try to educate those I meet, but most DO NOT want to hear it. They prefer to believe the myths they hear from the media.

Read my sig, but remember, if you successfully educate, you won't have to argue.

 

[Bonnie]

Damn I wish people would believe all this. I have pointed out over and over again why this economy really is better than the economy under Clinton, but only my fair minded friends here on USMB know this info. I try to educate those I meet, but most DO NOT want to hear it. They prefer to believe the myths they hear from the media.

See that's what worries me!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you look at the numbers kathianne posted there is no mistaking. Numbers are always numbers.