Zone1 Is Jesus God?

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Mark 14:

60 Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” 61 But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer.
Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. 64 “You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?”

Daniel 7:

13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

This is Daniel's vision of when Christ returned to heaven, triumphant, and received back the glory that was His from before the world began. Yes, I know you'll insist that the word should be translated as "served", but I'll give you this homework assignment. In what context is that Hebrew word used, to serve man or to serve God? Where in the Bible is ANYONE declared worthy and worshipped in heaven other than God? You have not dealt with that.

The bottom line remains, you can only insist that Jesus did not claim to be God by also insisting you know Jewish Scriptures better than 1st century Jews did. They CERTAINLY knew exactly what He was claiming.

Jesus didn't claim to be God, he claimed he would be sitting at Gods right hand and coming in the clouds= not a single mention of him claiming to be God there in that passage.
One like a son of man= a created being.

 

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Jesus didn't claim to be God, he claimed he would be sitting at Gods right hand and coming in the clouds= not a single mention of him claiming to be God there in that passage.
One like a son of man= a created being.

That God allows to be worshipped in His presence? No, that's not happening. You don't know much about God if you think He will allow that.

 

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That God allows to be worshipped in His presence? No, that's not happening. You don't know much about God if you think He will allow that.

You twisting what is said gives the lamb worship. Worship would have been mentioned along with honor and glory in the prior sentence if worship went to the Lamb.

 

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You twisting what is said gives the lamb worship. Worship would have been mentioned along with honor and glory in the prior sentence if worship went to the Lamb.

Where in the Bible do we EVER see anyone other than God be honored and glorified in His presence?

Revelation 5:12​

Saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!”

Who else EVER gets power, wealth, wisdom, might, honor, glory and blessing in God's presence other than God Himself? Who? Every time we see anything in heaven, God alone receives the worship, glory, etc. God states that we are not to have any other gods before Him, and you expect us to believe He's going to allow someone other than Himself to receive this in His presence? You do not know much about God if you think that.

 

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Where in the Bible do we EVER see anyone other than God be honored and glorified in His presence?

Revelation 5:12​

Saying with a loud voice, “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!”

Who else EVER gets power, wealth, wisdom, might, honor, glory and blessing in God's presence other than God Himself? Who? Every time we see anything in heaven, God alone receives the worship, glory, etc. God states that we are not to have any other gods before Him, and you expect us to believe He's going to allow someone other than Himself to receive this in His presence? You do not know much about God if you think that.

The lamb gets honor and glory, power, wealth, wisdom= no worship mentioned. The same reason God gave the Lamb all authority in heaven and on earth and the judging. If the Lamb were God he would already of had all authority and judging. No one can give authority to God, he owns 100% of it forever.

 

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John 1:1-3, 14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Revelation 14:7
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

 

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The lamb gets honor and glory, power, wealth, wisdom= no worship mentioned. The same reason God gave the Lamb all authority in heaven and on earth and the judging. If the Lamb were God he would already of had all authority and judging. No one can give authority to God, he owns 100% of it forever.

And again you are ignoring what I've already shown you, that Jesus GAVE UP those things, to receive them again. Note the following, AGAIN:

Phillipians 2
5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

And:

John 17
5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

The same word is used to describe Jesus being God and being man. You've ignored this before, don't ignore it again.

 

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And again you are ignoring what I've already shown you, that Jesus GAVE UP those things, to receive them again. Note the following, AGAIN:

Phillipians 2
5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

And:

John 17
5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

The same word is used to describe Jesus being God and being man. You've ignored this before, don't ignore it again.

Yes glory as Gods master worker( Prov 8:30) the one whom God grew especially fond of. The one whom God had 100% trust to send to the earth. The one whom God appointed as chief of the angels( archangel) the one whom God appointed king of his kingdom( Dan 7:13-15)--but 1Cor 15:24-28 is clear-Jesus must hand back the kingdom to his God and Father and subject himself( = forever)( that occurs here at Rev 21:1 when all is back to perfection)--Do you actually believe that God is in subjection to any?
In the Lords prayer-Jesus assures all the kingdom belongs to the Father. = your kingdom come--Many say they follow Jesus but have no idea what he teaches.= very sad.

 

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Yes glory as Gods master worker( Prov 8:30)

And by that statement you prove that you are not listening to what I say nor are you reading the Word. I've pointed out where that section of Proverbs is about WISDOM. It refers to wisdom as "HER". It is NOT referring to Jesus, so if you continue citing that verse, I will know you are ignoring what is plainly written in the Bible.

the one whom God grew especially fond of. The one whom God had 100% trust to send to the earth. The one whom God appointed as chief of the angels( archangel) the one whom God appointed king of his kingdom( Dan 7:13-15)--but 1Cor 15:24-28 is clear-Jesus must hand back the kingdom to his God and Father and subject himself( = forever)( that occurs here at Rev 21:1 when all is back to perfection)--Do you actually believe that God is in subjection to any?

I am glad you referenced Revelation, because once again, I've pointed this out to you and you totally ignored it. Bad form there:

Rev 1
17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last".

Rev 21
5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.

God is always consistent. The First and the Last, or Alpha and Omega, refer only to God Himself, as we see He who was seated on the throne using the same title to refer to Himself that Jesus used in the beginning of Revelation. I'm serious, it's everywhere and you keep revealing it.

In the Lords prayer-Jesus assures all the kingdom belongs to the Father. = your kingdom come--Many say they follow Jesus but have no idea what he teaches.= very sad.

John 17
5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. He gave it up and received back what He originally had. You can't escape that. You try to, you try to pretend He never had it, but you can't.

 

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Yes glory as Gods master worker( Prov 8:30) the one whom God grew especially fond of. The one whom God had 100% trust to send to the earth. The one whom God appointed as chief of the angels( archangel) the one whom God appointed king of his kingdom( Dan 7:13-15)--but 1Cor 15:24-28 is clear-Jesus must hand back the kingdom to his God and Father and subject himself( = forever)( that occurs here at Rev 21:1 when all is back to perfection)--Do you actually believe that God is in subjection to any?
In the Lords prayer-Jesus assures all the kingdom belongs to the Father. = your kingdom come--Many say they follow Jesus but have no idea what he teaches.= very sad.

So you're saying Jesus isn't a King.

 

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And by that statement you prove that you are not listening to what I say nor are you reading the Word. I've pointed out where that section of Proverbs is about WISDOM. It refers to wisdom as "HER". It is NOT referring to Jesus, so if you continue citing that verse, I will know you are ignoring what is plainly written in the Bible.

I am glad you referenced Revelation, because once again, I've pointed this out to you and you totally ignored it. Bad form there:

Rev 1
17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last".

Rev 21
5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.

God is always consistent. The First and the Last, or Alpha and Omega, refer only to God Himself, as we see He who was seated on the throne using the same title to refer to Himself that Jesus used in the beginning of Revelation. I'm serious, it's everywhere and you keep revealing it.


John 17
5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. He gave it up and received back what He originally had. You can't escape that. You try to, you try to pretend He never had it, but you can't.

Jesus became wisdom-1Cor 1:30)

 

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So you're saying Jesus isn't a King.

God appointed( Dan 7:13-15= one like a son of man= a created being given a kingship) him as king=1000 years( Rev 20:6)

 

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Jesus became wisdom-1Cor 1:30)

Do you refer to Jesus in feminine terms? Is that what you are trying to give us? And you TOTALLY ignored the rest of my post.

 

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God appointed( Dan 7:13-15= one like a son of man= a created being given a kingship) him as king=1000 years( Rev 20:6)

You guys make it up as you go along. Funny. Have you grown a beard since Jehovah changed his mind?

 

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You guys make it up as you go along. Funny. Have you grown a beard since Jehovah changed his mind?

I showed you the scriptures and you say we make it up.= you in darkness.
Beards mean little. It is a way for God to test hearts and see if they listen to him by them listening to the ones Jesus appointed= the same as listening to Jesus and God( Luke 10:16)--((as well Heb 13:17= Be obedient to those taking the lead among you and be submissive.))
You see its a way for God to root out the fakes.

 

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I showed you the scriptures and you say we make it up.= you in darkness.
Beards mean little. It is a way for God to test hearts and see if they listen to him by them listening to the ones Jesus appointed= the same as listening to Jesus and God( Luke 10:16)--((as well Heb 13:17= Be obedient to those taking the lead among you and be submissive.))
You see its a way for God to root out the fakes.

You haven't got a clue to what the Scriptures mean.