Zone1 Is Jesus God?

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Exodus 3:14
14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

I AM is a translation of the word ehyeh or אֶֽהְיֶ֣ה . There is a good discussion on the topic of why there is an issue with the translation at this site,

"I am" in Greek Septuagint translation of Exodus 3:14 vs. John 8:58 - how do they compare?​

Basically the meaning of ehyeh is "to be". But in Hebrew there is no present tense word for ehyeh. Many translations into English have given it the present tense of "I am" while others stick with a future tense of "I will be". That is the whole crux of the confusion. If God were to say "I AM" to a Hebrew, they apparently would not have a way to write that but would use a different tense like "I will be". The problem appears to be that Hebrew didn't allow for a present tense.


Yes, and I agree that only one being executed the plan to implement the creation. However, I showed you that there was conversation between more than one being to decide on the plan of creation in Gen 1:26.

Jehovah is Jesus Christ. Jesus is the God of the Old Testament. He is the creator and Savior of the world. It was He who appeared to the Old Testament prophets and it was He who led Israel out of Egypt. So yes, Jehovah is the only Savior.

I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour, Isa. 43:11.
I the Lord am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, Isa. 60:16.
a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord, Luke 2:11.
Thomas … said unto him, My Lord and my God, John 20:28.
Whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ, Acts 2:36.


Your facts don't address the actual issue. Jesus is the "I AM" or "I Will Be" or however you translate it. He is the God of the Old Testament appearing and speaking in behalf of the godhead who consists of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. God the Father never appeared before the ancient prophets of the Old Testament.

John 1:18
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Hebrew scholars say that OT statement translates-i will be what i will be.

 

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God gave Jesus all authority in heaven and on earth.

He gave Jesus back what was His from before the world was created.

Now, since you don't want to answer for real, I'll up the ante. Who has the power to grant eternal life and who has the power to forgive sin? Remember, the Jews tried to kill Jesus when He made some claims, and why? Because they knew exactly what He was claiming, to be God. Are you calling Jesus a liar?

 

[hadit]

Hebrew scholars say that OT statement translates-i will be what i will be.

Regardless, Jesus took that title for Himself, something the Jews KNEW meant He was claiming to be God and tried to kill Him. Are you calling Jesus a liar?

 

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He gave Jesus back what was His from before the world was created.

Now, since you don't want to answer for real, I'll up the ante. Who has the power to grant eternal life and who has the power to forgive sin? Remember, the Jews tried to kill Jesus when He made some claims, and why? Because they knew exactly what He was claiming, to be God. Are you calling Jesus a liar?

Jesus didn't lie. The apostate Jewish leaders lied saying Jesus claimed to be God. Or did you believe those apostates here as well? Matt 12:24--Hearts filled with hate do not speak truth.

 

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Regardless, Jesus took that title for Himself, something the Jews KNEW meant He was claiming to be God and tried to kill Him. Are you calling Jesus a liar?

The only liars were the Jewish leaders. They never said a single truth about Jesus.

 

[hadit]

Jesus didn't lie. The apostate Jewish leaders lied saying Jesus claimed to be God. Or did you believe those apostates here as well? Matt 12:24--Hearts filled with hate do not speak truth.

Jesus knew exactly what He was saying, and how they would react. He didn't play around when it came to God's identity.

I would take their word for what the Jewish Scriptures said about God's titles over the word of a modern-day westerner who's believing a Bible written (not translated) by a bunch of guys who can't even read the original languages.

 

[hadit]

The only liars were the Jewish leaders. They never said a single truth about Jesus.

Jesus took God's titles for His own, which either makes Him God or a liar. You can't escape that.

 

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No-- Isaiah 44:6-- I am( YHVH) Jehovah beside ME( not we) there is no other God.

Isaiah is writing about Israel.

 

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Jesus knew exactly what He was saying, and how they would react. He didn't play around when it came to God's identity.

I would take their word for what the Jewish Scriptures said about God's titles over the word of a modern-day westerner who's believing a Bible written (not translated) by a bunch of guys who can't even read the original languages.

They were apostocised, they filled their hearts with hatred to Jesus. They never said a single truth about him. They even broke Gods law by trying Jesus the night he was arrested they hated him so much.. Jewish law given by God was a man had 7 days to build a defense. They did the same to Stephen out of hatred, and as many of Jesus' followers as they could. Saul who became Paul hated Jesus followers more than any, until Jesus turned him.

 

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Jesus took God's titles for His own, which either makes Him God or a liar. You can't escape that.

Jesus answered them honestly--i am= he lived before Abraham. There is no Hebrew statement in the OT that translates-i am that i am-trinity translations put it in to mislead to back their false god. Hebrew scholars say- i will be what i will be is correct.

 

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Isaiah is writing about Israel.

You should learn English.

 

[hadit]

They were apostocised, they filled their hearts with hatred to Jesus. They never said a single truth about him. They even broke Gods law by trying Jesus the night he was arrested they hated him so much.. Jewish law given by God was a man had 7 days to build a defense. They did the same to Stephen out of hatred, and as many of Jesus' followers as they could. Saul who became Paul hated Jesus followers more than any, until Jesus turned him.

But would they know Jewish Law and understand when someone is claiming to be God better than some 20th century guys who don't even read Hebrew? The point is, Jesus made no mistake, He KNEW what they would think when He made those claims, and being a Jew totally understanding the law, would never allow someone to think He was unlawfully claiming to be God.

 

[hadit]

Jesus answered them honestly--i am= he lived before Abraham. There is no Hebrew statement in the OT that translates-i am that i am-trinity translations put it in to mislead to back their false god. Hebrew scholars say- i will be what i will be is correct.

However you want to translate the title God took for Himself, Jesus took that same title for HIMSELF, that's the point. Jesus knew exactly what the Jews would think when He said it.

Now, I've asked you before, who has the power to not only forgive sin, but to give eternal life?

 

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But would they know Jewish Law and understand when someone is claiming to be God better than some 20th century guys who don't even read Hebrew? The point is, Jesus made no mistake, He KNEW what they would think when He made those claims, and being a Jew totally understanding the law, would never allow someone to think He was unlawfully claiming to be God.

He didn't claim to be God.

 

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However you want to translate the title God took for Himself, Jesus took that same title for HIMSELF, that's the point. Jesus knew exactly what the Jews would think when He said it.

Now, I've asked you before, who has the power to not only forgive sin, but to give eternal life?

No Jesus did not. Its 100% impossible to see it like that knowing there is no - i am that i am in the OT.

 

[hadit]

He didn't claim to be God.

Then why did the Jews try to kill Him on multiple occasions for blasphemy?

Now, I've asked you before, who has the power to not only forgive sin, but to give eternal life?

 

[hadit]

No Jesus did not. Its 100% impossible to see it like that knowing there is no - i am that i am in the OT.

He used the same title that God took for Himself. You're dancing around the semantics but won't admit the truth.

Now, I've asked you before, who has the power to not only forgive sin, but to give eternal life?

 

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Then why did the Jews try to kill Him on multiple occasions for blasphemy?

Now, I've asked you before, who has the power to not only forgive sin, but to give eternal life?

Hearts filled with hatred is why. They thought a mighty king was coming to wipe the romans out. A mere carpenters son showed up and told them they were wrong on certain matters. Their haughty hearts thought they were better than mere lowly flock members. They were fully apostatized at that point.

 

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He used the same title that God took for Himself. You're dancing around the semantics but won't admit the truth.

Now, I've asked you before, who has the power to not only forgive sin, but to give eternal life?

God said--i will be what i will be. Jesus said--Before Abraham was i am.. How is that the same?

 

[hadit]

God said--i will be what i will be. Jesus said--Before Abraham was i am.. How is that the same?

Because the Jews knew what He meant, and that He was taking one of God's titles for Himself. If, as you continue to falsely claim, they were completely different titles, they would not have been offended. They would have thought he was crazy, but not offended to the point of trying to kill Him.

Now, I've asked you before, who has the power to not only forgive sin, but to give eternal life?