Is It Wrong to Think Homosexuality is a Sin?

[Bonzi]

Being gay is fine. I mean, really, who cares? It doesnt effect anyone except for that person and who he/she chooses to be with
You can think of it in any way you want. Being wrong or "sinful" is completely subjective.
Voice it if you want!

Do you view it in bad taste to wave a hetero flag?

 

[Bonzi]

Being gay is fine. I mean, really, who cares? It doesnt effect anyone except for that person and who he/she chooses to be with
You can think of it in any way you want. Being wrong or "sinful" is completely subjective.
Voice it if you want!

I believe it goes something like, "judge not, lest ye be judged".

We choose and discipline our own personal behavior. The moment we start exporting that to choosing and controlling other people's behavior, the sinkhole yawns. And there's the pitfall of preachy punitive-style religion.

For Christians, it should not be about judging as much as caring about your fellow man, and, for a Christian that would be shown by sharing the Gospel

 

[Votto]

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Gay men in the US account for under 10% of the population, yet they account for well over half off all AIDS and STD cases in the US. This is a fact supported by the CDC.

strange how priest went for little boys, for centuries with little concern that certainly is a crime again for that awful religion, christianity - speaking of AID's - - so according to Votto it was ok because AID'S is a recent phenom .... the priest's were holy.


not my choice but for consenting Adults the issue is simply their freedom to chose.

Wait.........wut?

Who said anything about priests?

How did the leftist Pope who is pushing for bigger government and less walls get into this conversation?


According to the rubes in the Catholic church, gay sex and abortion never gets talked about even though abortion is considered murder according to their doctrine and gay sex is an abomination to God. Instead, building walls will send you straight to hell.

Hilarious.

And no, none of them represent Jesus. If Jesus were here today he would not give sermons on the evils of global warming and the virtue of big government to solve all our problems, nor would he be abusing children.

Thanks for that.

 

[Votto]

Being gay is fine. I mean, really, who cares? It doesnt effect anyone except for that person and who he/she chooses to be with
You can think of it in any way you want. Being wrong or "sinful" is completely subjective.
Voice it if you want!

Gay men in the US account for under 10% of the population, yet they account for well over half off all AIDS and STD cases in the US. This is a fact supported by the CDC.

However, even though the economic costs to society Dims will never see this as a reason to not encourage such behavior as "normal" and "good"..

Christian Conservatives passed laws to imprison gays long before there was AIDs and when the deadly STD of the day was syphillis- which was rampant among straight men.

And of course, you and your fellow travellers would just as happily imprison lesbians- regardless of their levels of AIDs and STDS.

And your point is?

Why did you leave out the Salem witch trials and Crusades?

WTH is wrong with you?

Jesus never advocated about locking anyone up, neither did he condemn anyone except the religious leaders of his day. Neither did he advocate for government to save us all.

As for the Catholic church...............well.

 

[Syriusly]

Being gay is fine. I mean, really, who cares? It doesnt effect anyone except for that person and who he/she chooses to be with
You can think of it in any way you want. Being wrong or "sinful" is completely subjective.
Voice it if you want!

Gay men in the US account for under 10% of the population, yet they account for well over half off all AIDS and STD cases in the US. This is a fact supported by the CDC.

However, even though the economic costs to society Dims will never see this as a reason to not encourage such behavior as "normal" and "good"..

Christian Conservatives passed laws to imprison gays long before there was AIDs and when the deadly STD of the day was syphillis- which was rampant among straight men.

And of course, you and your fellow travellers would just as happily imprison lesbians- regardless of their levels of AIDs and STDS.

WTH is wrong with you?.

Nothing.

I am not the one who is upset about homosexuals- that would be you.

 

[PredFan]

What do you think?

If you believe you have a right to believe this, and you are offended, is it OK to voice this?

Define "wrong " do you mean morally wrong or factually wrong.

 

[Syriusly]

Jesus never advocated about locking anyone up, neither did he condemn anyone except the religious leaders of his day. Neither did he advocate for government to save us all..

Yep- Jesus never once condemned homosexuality.

 

[emilynghiem]

What do you think?

If you believe you have a right to believe this, and you are offended, is it OK to voice this?

Dear Bonzi: Technically since all views for or against homosexuality are faith based beliefs, they should all be respected and included equally under religious freedom. it's just govt and public policy that should never be abused to establish or prohibit any of these coming from either side or direction of reasoning.

if we look at all the studies and quit skewing the research to suit agenda,
the results will show some people are naturally homosexual where there is nothing they are doing wrong causing this; while others who do report they feel something is wrong and this is unnatural, are able to go through healing therapy to resolve the conflicts, and some change while others do not. Whatever "sin" is involved can be addressed and resolved. But this doesn't mean the person will always change.

From my understanding that includes people of diverse experiences from one extreme to the other, the causes of many of these issues are karmic: some involve issues from previous generations (what Christians call generational sins while Buddhists call this past life karma) and some involve abuses or conflicts from this life. The point is to heal these issues, so the cycle of sin or suffering is broken and the person is set free.

What Christians end up learning is that not all people who receive healing prayer change, but some remain homosexual or even come out transgender after healing.

What secular and LGBT supporters end up learning is some people DO change after living and identifying fully as homosexual. They aren't lying either.

so both sides have much to learn as to why the others hold their beliefs.
There are both cases that are natural or unnatural, changeable or unchangeable.

The common good that can come of this is healing people and relations, regardless of the cause and of the effect or result.

if we agree to overcome the sin of unforgiveness, the rest will follow.
We cannot predict or dictate right or wrong in all cases which are not the same,
but we can make the choice to forgive and correct mutual misperceptions of intent.
And start the healing process that can change hearts and minds
instead of being "separated by sin."

 

[Darkwind]

Why is it no one is actually addressing what she really asked?

Do you think it is acceptable for someone to think this? I don't think she, or anyone really, care what spin you put on it. The question is basic.

Do we, as a free people, have the right to think that homosexuality is wrong? This implies that if you disagree, that means you think it is acceptable to control what one believes and thinks.

 

[BreezeWood]

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Gay men in the US account for under 10% of the population, yet they account for well over half off all AIDS and STD cases in the US. This is a fact supported by the CDC.

strange how priest went for little boys, for centuries with little concern that certainly is a crime again for that awful religion, christianity - speaking of AID's - - so according to Votto it was ok because AID'S is a recent phenom .... the priest's were holy.


not my choice but for consenting Adults the issue is simply their freedom to chose.

Wait.........wut?

Who said anything about priests?

How did the leftist Pope who is pushing for bigger government and less walls get into this conversation?


According to the rubes in the Catholic church, gay sex and abortion never gets talked about even though abortion is considered murder according to their doctrine and gay sex is an abomination to God. Instead, building walls will send you straight to hell.

Hilarious.

And no, none of them represent Jesus. If Jesus were here today he would not give sermons on the evils of global warming and the virtue of big government to solve all our problems, nor would he be abusing children.

Thanks for that.

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If Jesus were here today he would not give sermons on the evils of global warming

please, Jesus was not a fundamentalist christian if one at all, it's better you reserve that praise for yourself.

 

[Bonzi]

What do you think?

If you believe you have a right to believe this, and you are offended, is it OK to voice this?

Dear Bonzi: Technically since all views for or against homosexuality are faith based beliefs, they should all be respected and included equally under religious freedom. it's just govt and public policy that should never be abused to establish or prohibit any of these coming from either side or direction of reasoning.

if we look at all the studies and quit skewing the research to suit agenda,
the results will show some people are naturally homosexual where there is nothing they are doing wrong causing this; while others who do report they feel something is wrong and this is unnatural, are able to go through healing therapy to resolve the conflicts, and some change while others do not. Whatever "sin" is involved can be addressed and resolved. But this doesn't mean the person will always change.

From my understanding that includes people of diverse experiences from one extreme to the other, the causes of many of these issues are karmic: some involve issues from previous generations (what Christians call generational sins while Buddhists call this past life karma) and some involve abuses or conflicts from this life. The point is to heal these issues, so the cycle of sin or suffering is broken and the person is set free.

What Christians end up learning is that not all people who receive healing prayer change, but some remain homosexual or even come out transgender after healing.

What secular and LGBT supporters end up learning is some people DO change after living and identifying fully as homosexual. They aren't lying either.

so both sides have much to learn as to why the others hold their beliefs.
There are both cases that are natural or unnatural, changeable or unchangeable.

The common good that can come of this is healing people and relations, regardless of the cause and of the effect or result.

if we agree to overcome the sin of unforgiveness, the rest will follow.
We cannot predict or dictate right or wrong in all cases which are not the same,
but we can make the choice to forgive and correct mutual misperceptions of intent.
And start the healing process that can change hearts and minds
instead of being "separated by sin."

Christians do realize people are born that way but feel if they live good should abstain

 

[emilynghiem]

Why is it no one is actually addressing what she really asked?

Do you think it is acceptable for someone to think this? I don't think she, or anyone really, care what spin you put on it. The question is basic.

Do we, as a free people, have the right to think that homosexuality is wrong? This implies that if you disagree, that means you think it is acceptable to control what one believes and thinks.

That may be one way to look at it as wanting to "control" what people believe and think.

But what if you want to wait to answer until after people see more scientific study and proof what is going on with homosexuality? What if you want to wait until after people come to a conclusion and understanding spiritually of what is involved as a process?

I don't want people to be judged one way or another, but just held to be consistent. If you are going to ask to keep Christian beliefs in private then why not allow Christian's to ask to keep LGBT beliefs in private? If you insist on accepting LGBT beliefs as naturally occurring instead of rejecting this, then why not allow Christian's to teach those beliefs as natural truths to be included as well?

In general Darkwind I have as much trouble judging ppl for their beliefs if they don't have full information from all sources and sides, as I do with ppl who insist they already know but they refuse to include cases or information that shows their beliefs are not the only rule that applies. This happens on both sides, unfortunately, so it's unfair to judge one side without judging the other for this same tactic of discounting any evidence which might prove the other side is right in some cases but not others.

That's why I'd rather establish all the cases and evidence that explain why ppl on different sides have different views, and then ask ppl what they believe. Whatever is inconsistent or conflicting should take care of itself in the process. Thus there is no need to judge, since ppl ' s views are going to change to include each other instead of rejecting each other. I'd rather wait until ppl have fully informed choices before I assess who believes what. And by then there wont be any reason to judge because everyone will be equally right on some points and equally wrong on others. Everyone's thinking will expand to understand better where each other is coming from.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I believe firmly in the ideal "to each their own". Jesus forgave an adulterer. Jesus suggested the Golden Rule is "Do unto others as you want them to do unto you." Even suggesting it was from the law of Moses.

Therefore, by simple deduction if we take just these two very important and well known facts about Jesus then I cannot believe Jesus would judge someone who is gay with any extreme malice. In the Ten Commandments there is no mention of homosexuality, these were words directly from God and presented by Moses for all of humanity to know.

So, in the end, I look at life this way, I'm the one who has to die when I die and I have to face judgement for my sins, not you. Obviously vice versa. So, let the Lord judge and love thy neighbour, be they gay or otherwise.

 

[LittleNipper]

Why is it no one is actually addressing what she really asked?

Do you think it is acceptable for someone to think this? I don't think she, or anyone really, care what spin you put on it. The question is basic.

Do we, as a free people, have the right to think that homosexuality is wrong? This implies that if you disagree, that means you think it is acceptable to control what one believes and thinks.

That may be one way to look at it as wanting to "control" what people believe and think.

But what if you want to wait to answer until after people see more scientific study and proof what is going on with homosexuality? What if you want to wait until after people come to a conclusion and understanding spiritually of what is involved as a process?

I don't want people to be judged one way or another, but just held to be consistent. If you are going to ask to keep Christian beliefs in private then why not allow Christian's to ask to keep LGBT beliefs in private? If you insist on accepting LGBT beliefs as naturally occurring instead of rejecting this, then why not allow Christian's to teach those beliefs as natural truths to be included as well?

In general Darkwind I have as much trouble judging ppl for their beliefs if they don't have full information from all sources and sides, as I do with ppl who insist they already know but they refuse to include cases or information that shows their beliefs are not the only rule that applies. This happens on both sides, unfortunately, so it's unfair to judge one side without judging the other for this same tactic of discounting any evidence which might prove the other side is right in some cases but not others.

That's why I'd rather establish all the cases and evidence that explain why ppl on different sides have different views, and then ask ppl what they believe. Whatever is inconsistent or conflicting should take care of itself in the process. Thus there is no need to judge, since ppl ' s views are going to change to include each other instead of rejecting each other. I'd rather wait until ppl have fully informed choices before I assess who believes what. And by then there wont be any reason to judge because everyone will be equally right on some points and equally wrong on others. Everyone's thinking will expand to understand better where each other is coming from.

Scientific studies are not always correct. As an example, I firmly believe that the theory of evolution has a lot to be desired. Since everyone is born a sinner, I see no reason that everyone is NOT born with different sinful tendencies. There are liars, cheaters, thieves, sexual deviants, people with anger issues, etc., etc, etc... Just because some people may feel a closeness to someone of the same sex or have an artistic flair, doesn't mean that GOD cannot have an entirely different application for such an individual. Just because someone is drawn to others of the same sex doesn't mean that such an individual must fulfill his/her sexual appetite in that regard. In fact, I honestly feel that friendship is a blessing from GOD, it is Satan that wants to ruin it and abuse it through sexual confusion. GOD created sex for procreation --- which doesn't mean sex isn't enjoyable. It does mean that sex only performed for one's personal gratification is a slippery slope leading to abuse because it excludes GOD as its designer. Adultery, fornication, bestiality, homosexuality, prostitution, molestation, pornography are all evil and abusive in their nature.

 

[LittleNipper]

I believe firmly in the ideal "to each their own". Jesus forgave an adulterer. Jesus suggested the Golden Rule is "Do unto others as you want them to do unto you." Even suggesting it was from the law of Moses.

Therefore, by simple deduction if we take just these two very important and well known facts about Jesus then I cannot believe Jesus would judge someone who is gay with any extreme malice. In the Ten Commandments there is no mention of homosexuality, these were words directly from God and presented by Moses for all of humanity to know.

So, in the end, I look at life this way, I'm the one who has to die when I die and I have to face judgement for my sins, not you. Obviously vice versa. So, let the Lord judge and love thy neighbour, be they gay or otherwise.

I can appreciate what you have stated. Do not forget that Jesus told the woman caught in the act of adultery, "Go and sin NO MORE." So the fact is that Jesus never said that what she did was not wrong. What Jesus did was both demonstrate that HE was able to forgive sin, and was not without compassion for this individual who was being used to try to destroy Christ's ministry. One must remember that Christ also was writing something in the sand. It has been suggested that Jesus was convicting all the men standing there with their own sins --- and this is why they all went away...

 

[Bonzi]

The proper Christian view on homosexuality is like any other sin.
If you are a believer/Christian, you are to turn away from your sin.

There is nothing in the Bible that says if you are born with a sexual preference, it is OK. It clearly states throughout the Bible that it's an abomination to God

If you are not a Christian, you would not worry about sin of any kind....you might your own moral code, but that is entirely different.

 

[Mudda]

What do you think?

If you believe you have a right to believe this, and you are offended, is it OK to voice this?

Homosexuality is found throughout nature. So if you think that god created everything...

And Jesus died on the cross for our sins, so that point is moot.

 

[Marion Morrison]

What do you think?

If you believe you have a right to believe this, and you are offended, is it OK to voice this?

That's between them and God. Absolutely people have the right to voice their opinion, doubly so because it's a religious matter. (See 1st amendment)

I believe in live and let live.

I don't believe in introducing children to homosexuality as being normal, because it isn't.

Even worse to do it before they reach puberty, that's egregiously wrong. Children are not sexual.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I have poured through the New Testament thoroughly, and have compiled an exhaustive list of statements by Jesus telling us that homosexuality is a sin. Any good Christian should realize that He said "believe in ME and ye shall be saved" rather than "believe in Saul of Tarsus and ye shall me saved", and so His words are of utmost import here. In any case, please read below all of the statements Jesus made to His followers regarding the evils of homosexuality. Here goes:

 

[Vastator]

What do you think?

If you believe you have a right to believe this, and you are offended, is it OK to voice this?

There is no such thing as sin. Sin is a construct of religion, that is used to keep those under its sway controlled. There is no magical sky genie lurking overhead watching to see what you stick in your butt. The idea alone is a barrel of laughs.
On a side note; when someone invents a religion that is all about freaky unhindered hetero sex; let me know. I'll be all in. Now that would be something to believe in...