Is it Unfair to Arrest Illegal Aliens when they Show up for a Court Appearance or ICE Check-in?

[AZrailwhale]

And they tell their story to the Judge, and historically 85% of the time the Judge finds they are full of shit and orders removal. If I had to guess, that rate will going up to 95% with Biden's illegals.

Probably 99% since they were coached by the NGOs and Cartels what to say to get temporary status. Probably 85% won't even show up for their hearings having disappeared into society.

 

[Seymour Flops]

As of September 3, 2025, the Trump administration’s second term has likely deported 300,000–350,000 migrants, on pace for 500,000–600,000 annually, which is below Biden’s FY 2024 total (271,000 removals, 4.7 million repatriations over 4 years) and Obama’s 5.3 million over 8 years, but comparable to or exceeding Trump’s first-term annual average. Earlier administrations (Bush, Clinton) had higher totals due to longer terms and border-focused returns.

As reported by the adminisrations themselves. Obama was found to have changed the definition of "deport" in order to claim a larger number of "deportations."

I have to think that Democrats at the time realized that the number was contrived. otherwise, why were they not outraged by the huge increase in deportations?

The current pace may increase with new policies, but logistical and legal constraints could limit Trump’s “largest deportation operation” ambitions.

I'm sure they could. But my response is so what?

Whatever the numbers are, the steps, trump is taking and reduced illegal immigration down to as close to zero as it could possibly be.

I suppose, trump ultimately deports fewer, illegal immigrants in a second term.Then biden did in his first? what do Biden's deportations matter? So long as he had a revolving door in which the illegals could simply turn around and come straight back? Not to mention the huge number of first time illegal immigrants from all over the world.

And I am not at all concerned about the gotcha of claim. Such as
"Trump said his second term economy would be the greatest in history. But all the economic experts predict that economic growth will not surpass that of the peak in the eighties."

"Fact checking" hyperbole is silly. if trump slowed down illegal immigration, which he did, that's a good thing. If Trump and his policies lead to improvement in the economy, that's a good thing. It is much less important whether he lives up to his boastful predictions.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

desperate refugees----at least some

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Not our problem.

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[Dagoth-Ur]

desperate refugees----at least some

Seeing how most refugee claims are bullshit, no it isn’t.

 

[GLASNOST]

Is it Unfair to Arrest Illegal Aliens when they Show up for a Court Appearance or ICE Check-in?​

I don't know what is "fair".
Is it fair to stop a car and give him a warning about his faulty tail light and then immediately give him a ticket for the faulty tail light because he starts to drive away? Is it fair to send a phoney sweepstakes lottery win and then arrest him for some crime he committed when he shows up to collect his prize?

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

ICE has a new courthouse tactic: Get immigrants’ cases tossed, then arrest them outside • Missouri Independent

Inside immigration courts around the country, immigrants who crossed the border illegally and were caught and released are required to appear before a judge for a preliminary hearing. But in a new twist, the Trump administration has begun using an unexpected legal tactic in its deportation...

missouriindependent.com

Inside immigration courts around the country, immigrants who crossed the border illegally and were caught and released are required to appear before a judge for a preliminary hearing.

But in a new twist, the Trump administration has begun using an unexpected legal tactic in its deportation efforts. Rather than pursue a deportation case, it is convincing judges to dismiss immigrants’ cases — thus depriving the immigrants of protection from arrest and detention — then taking them into custody.

The practice, affecting immigrants released at the border and given a “notice to appear” in court under both the Trump and Biden administrations, sometimes leads to people being quickly deported by Immigration and Customs Enforcement through a process called expedited removal.

Is this a fast and effecient way of getting rid of illegal aliens, or should the Trump administration get rid of the worst of the illegals by concentrating on people who are arrested for crimes and turn out to be illegals?

Is it an issue of fairness, i.e. an illegal now trying to do it the legal way and walks into a surprise arrest? Or is an illegal an illegal, and should go to the end of the line for immigration, which is in their home country at the U.S. Consulate?

They skipped the "process" when they illegally entered or overstayed their visas and so it's only fair to the American people that they get sent home without process here.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

Yes, it's absolutely bullshit. These folks are doing what they are supposed to to get legal status.

If they're here illegally they shouldn't be entitled to anything other than a one-way ticket home.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

I don't know what is "fair".
Is it fair to stop a car and give him a warning about his faulty tail light and then immediately give him a ticket for the faulty tail light because he starts to drive away? Is it fair to send a phoney sweepstakes lottery win and then arrest him for some crime he committed when he shows up to collect his prize?

How's is it "fair" to force Americans to pay for people who are here ILLEGALLY?

 

[Unkotare]

Seeing how most refugee claims are bullshit...

How do you know?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Seeing how most refugee claims are bullshit, no it isn’t.

How do you know?

Probably by reading.

Asylum Grant Rates Decline by a Third​

Published Nov 19, 2024

Asylum seekers are having less and less success at their individual hearings before an Immigration Judge.[1] The latest case-by-case Court records for October 2024 show asylum grant rates had declined to just 35.8 percent. This is in down sharply from earlier in the current administration when grant rates had climbed to above 50 percent. See Figure 1.

Figure 1. Monthly Immigration Court Asylum

Asylum Grant Rates Decline by a Third

 

[GLASNOST]

Is it Unfair to Arrest Illegal Aliens when they Show up for a Court Appearance or ICE Check-in?​

I don't know what is "fair".
Is it fair to stop a car and give him a warning about his faulty tail light and then immediately give him a ticket for the faulty tail light because he starts to drive away? Is it fair to send a phoney sweepstakes lottery win and then arrest him for some crime he committed when he shows up to collect his prize?

How's is it "fair" to force Americans to pay for people who are here ILLEGALLY?

What are you talking about? Have you changed the subject intentionally?

 

[Unkotare]

Probably by reading.

Asylum Grant Rates Decline by a Third​

Published Nov 19, 2024

Asylum seekers are having less and less success at their individual hearings before an Immigration Judge.[1] The latest case-by-case Court records for October 2024 show asylum grant rates had declined to just 35.8 percent. This is in down sharply from earlier in the current administration when grant rates had climbed to above 50 percent. See Figure 1.

Figure 1. Monthly Immigration Court Asylum

Asylum Grant Rates Decline by a Third

I’m not reading “most are bullshit” from those figures. I’m glad the cases are being adjudicated carefully though.

 

[Dagoth-Ur]

I’m not reading “most are bullshit” from those figures. I’m glad the cases are being adjudicated carefully though.

Here, start reading

Refugee Resettlement Watch

They are changing America by changing the people

refugeeresettlementwatch.org

 

[Unkotare]

Here, start reading

Refugee Resettlement Watch

They are changing America by changing the people

refugeeresettlementwatch.org

Refugees and asylum seekers are not the same thing.

 

[Unkotare]

Oh look, another idiot.

They be crawling outa the woodwork like roaches here lately.

More room for YOU in the woodwork!

 

[Crepitus]

If they're here illegally they shouldn't be entitled to anything other than a one-way ticket home.

If they have court dates they have som status even if temporary.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

If they have court dates they have som status even if temporary.

Why should they have any legal standing if they're here illegally?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

As of September 3, 2025, the Trump administration’s second term has likely deported 300,000–350,000 migrants, on pace for 500,000–600,000 annually, which is below Biden’s FY 2024 total (271,000 removals, 4.7 million repatriations over 4 years) and Obama’s 5.3 million over 8 years, but comparable to or exceeding Trump’s first-term annual average. Earlier administrations (Bush, Clinton) had higher totals due to longer terms and border-focused returns. The current pace may increase with new policies, but logistical and legal constraints could limit Trump’s “largest deportation operation” ambitions.

Biden didn't do that many deportations and neither did Obama. They cooked the books!

 

[JohnDB]

Biden didn't do that many deportations and neither did Obama. They cooked the books!

You may be correct.....but the difference comes from how many they let in while deporting....

 

[Kondor3]

Is it Unfair to Arrest Illegal Aliens when they Show up for a Court Appearance or ICE Check-in?

Perhaps.

But, given 20,000,000 or more Illegal Alien invaders now present upon United States soil.,..

Fairness is just going to have to take a back seat to Expedited Removal...

Given that THEY chose to violate our laws the split-second they crossed our borders (or over-stayed their permission)...

Given that to be "fair" to 20,000,000 Invaders would consume most of the current century before it was all resolved...

( something that the Left is counting-on each time they raise these bull$hit "fairness" issues )...

Given that we as a nation do not have that kind of time to waste in ridding ourselves of this most recent plague of locusts...

Getting this done by all LEGAL means available is now the priority... "fair" is presently a luxury we cannot afford to indulge...

We can go back to being "fair" once we've flushed these legions of Invaders from our soil...