Is it time for a legitimate third party?

[dblack]

Sadly, no. While there are two sides to every argument, have you ever heard of one having 3 or 4?
Every fence has 2 sides--- ever see one that had 3 or 4?

Reality isn't a fence.

What would happen if there were 3 or 4 parties, now you would likely have no more than any one person getting 30% of the vote, maybe only 25.

That's why we need trained choice voting.

Voters can't keep up with the positions of two opposing candidates, how would they ever decide between 3 or 4?

Maybe voters aren't as stupid as you think. I'd they are, we're screwed anyway. That's the fundamental flaw of democracy. Garbage in, garbage out

 

[sartre play]

UGLY is where we are.
MAGA spent a year beating a president to death over his age.
quiet now that they want to elect another 80 year old.
And am not even talking about All the mistakes made by the OTHER major party.
We buy complete BS and refuse to look for the most competent people, regardless of party,
And never forget the MONEY, BILLIONS SPENT too buy your vote.

 

[dblack]

How about just a legitimate candidate? A carny huckster vs a DEI hire is an embarrassment. And the really sad thing is, people will actually vote for them

 

[toobfreak]

Reality isn't a fence.

Actually it is. Reality is made up of boundaries, and every boundary has two sides.

That's why we need trained choice voting.

Who gets to do the training? They would always be biased, have an agenda. I don't need trained, just give me the candidates and their histories and positions--- I've already spent a quarter century getting educated, I don't need more training just for common sense to make up my mind.

Maybe voters aren't as stupid as you think.

Try again. Many are far worse than I imagined. Just look at many of the posts here for proof.

That's the fundamental flaw of democracy. Garbage in, garbage out

So you want to add to the garbage.

 

[cnm]

Wipe the slates clean and start with new ideas from across the spectrum so that everyone has skin in the game. The way the Consitution was created.

And what a fuck up that has been. All arising from the corruption of policies to give the slave states a position of power.

 

[dblack]

Ranked choice is patently unconstitutional and needs to be ended. One person, one vote, not this silliness that ends up rewarding subpar losers like Mayor Adams in NYC.

Heh... yes, the two-party goons currently dominating the political landscape will be adamantly opposed to ranked choice voting. But it's happening regardless. Watch them squirm.

 

[gipper]

too many 3rd party options

dilutes the field, no way to get a majority

And reason for this is purposeful. Keeps the people voting for the uniparty.

 

[Rogue AI]

Heh... yes, the two-party goons currently dominating the political landscape will be adamantly opposed to ranked choice voting. But it's happening regardless. Watch them squirm.

No, ranked choice idiocy only rewards the ignorant who are incapable of making an informed decision. It reeks of the everyone's a winner nonsense. The proper challenge will end that stupidity soon enough.

 

[Curried Goats]

Your vote choice being down to some demand for social issues.
& not looking for some one with the skills necessary to steer The government FOR ALL.
an attempt to UNITE ALL OF US. Not to further divide US.

I don't think uniting us all is a viable option but I'm willing to hear your plan for uniting gays and people who think gays are evil ....

 

[dblack]

No, ranked choice idiocy only rewards the ignorant who are incapable of making an informed decision. It reeks of the everyone's a winner nonsense. The proper challenge will end that stupidity soon enough.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like most two-party drones, you have no idea how ranked choice voting works. All you know is that your party says it's bad, mkay.

 

[toobfreak]

MAGA spent a year beating a president to death over his age.
quiet now that they want to elect another 80 year old.

Wrong. It was never about age, but about competency. People age at different rates.
When Joe ran in 2020, he was just passable, then the floor fell out from under him, unable to speak, unable to walk, unable to climb steps, unable to follow a conversation or remember which way to get off stage.

Trump may be of similar age now and I think he is not quite as sharp or with the same energy as he had eight years ago, but he is still far more together, far sharper now than Biden was then.

I'll take a 90% Trump who has always had his head on straight about America over a 100% Harris globalist-socialist puppet candidate any day of the week.
Just remember, Hitler was young and sharp too and look where that got us.

 

[Rogue AI]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like most two-party drones, you have no idea how ranked choice voting works. All you know is your party says it's bad, mkay.

It's not complicated, it rewards idiots who can't make an informed choice the first time and whine about constantly losing. All it does is increase the odds of those nobody wanted in the first place. Why should some moron get three or four votes while those who support the front runners only get one? Talk about stupid.

 

[Curried Goats]

Yes, as I said people do not want more freedom, thus as you said...my political ideology lacks political support.

Thanks for proving my point for me.

What's your point again because you haven't defined what freedoms you're talking about. The freedom to deny gays and black people service? Is that one of them?

Its your argument, you don't want to be more specific? Maybe that's why people are weary of you?

I would start by cutting 3% per year from each agency for 4 years. Let the agencies choose what to cut. The first two years alone could be accomplished with cutting out waste and removing the "use it or lose it next year" mentality of the Fed Govt when it comes to funds.

I would also raise taxes to make up the difference. Starting with SS, which should be self funded and never add a dime to our deficit.

And this is the only responsible thing to do fiscally or is this just like your opinion?

 

[Billo_Really]

Is it time for a legitimate third party?

• Too much political divide on issues that could have a common middle ground?
• Our 2 current parties drive their own agenda, while the a unheard majorities voice is left unheard, seen, or advised.
• In today's political climate, how would a third party get a voice? We are not asking for a seat at the table, but rather, a voice that can be heard. Then let the dominoes fall.
• George Washington warned of political parties subverting the people and leading to despotism. This board that example where many on here, express desire to remove the other in totality.
• From Washington - "...The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government.
  
  All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.
  
  However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion".
  
  Farewell Address (1796) | Constitution Center

  National Constitution Center Historic Documents Library record for Farewell Address (1796)

  constitutioncenter.org
• The above is where we are today. Do you disagree?
• Recent Gallup Poll (take it for what it's worth says that support of a third viable party is up 63%
  • Support for Third U.S. Political Party Up to 63%
• And, maybe there is another option; no parties, purely a stance and position.
• Has the country outgrown our political party system?

This shows just how violent and vicious the MAGA right is.

 

[dblack]

It's not complicated, it rewards idiots who can't make an informed choice the first time and whine about constantly losing. All it does is increase the odds of those nobody wanted in the first place. Why should some moron get three or four votes while those who support the front runners only get one? Talk about stupid.

Ok, so how does it work? I honestly don't think you know, based on what you're saying here.

 

[Curried Goats]

How about just a legitimate candidate? A carny huckster vs a DEI hire is an embarrassment. And the really sad thing is, people will actually vote for them

There there...

 

[Rogue AI]

Ok, so how does it work? I honestly don't think you know, based on what you're saying here.

Go ahead and explain it, I'm not wasting my time if you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[BrokeLoser]

And it sounds more ridiculous with each iteration.

Real core Americans reject everything you stand for.

That is a nice story you tell yourself, but nobody else buys it.

(watch this folks, watch their avoidance technique)
Tell us, dblack Harpy Eagle how do you sell Humberto, Guadalupe and their litter of six on the importance of fiscal responsibility, how do you get them to support the idea of them getting less free shit? How do you sell Humberto and Guadalupe on the idea that we need a smaller less invasive government when they need government at every turn?
Do you realize Humberto and Guadalupe are winning CA, NV, NM, AZ and much of Texas for the Democrat Party? You know, the Party that wants 87,000 more IRS agents, the one that aims for full-blown socialism and a much larger more controlling government?

 

[BrokeLoser]

we all voted for moving jobs overseas and depleting american middle class. both parties are responsible, Trump brought that to a bright light with his Tariffs talk and actions. Saw one of the Chicago Business guys who finally got the jest of it.

True but only one Party is recruiting desperate, needy thirdworlders by the tens of millions to help push a larger more invasive government.

 

[sartre play]

I don't think uniting us all is a viable option but I'm willing to hear your plan for uniting gays and people who think gays are evil ....

Those are social issues, Moral choices,
getting better people who strive for a more HONEST government.
Not a government bought buy the BILLIONS spent, or the propaganda LIES told.