Is it time for a legitimate third party?

[jc456]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. It was to mollify the slaver states. To corrupt the principle of freedom right from the very start.

As has been seen ever since.

why don't you post the link of the 3/5th's compromise?

 

[BluesLegend]

Explain how that would work.

Expel Democrats and RINO's from the country

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

We know US conservatives hate democracy.

You have that exactly 180 degrees from the truth. Democrats seek power in any way they can achieve it, the Constitution be damned!

 

[Rawley]

Is it time for a legitimate third party?

Trump is the closest thing you will ever get to a third party candidate

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

why don't you post the link of the 3/5th's compromise?

Why should he? I already posted that it is now irrelevant. The amendments changed that.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yes. A disaster of a document.

Yes, t is so much of a disaster that countries all over the world copied it for their countries. Did you ever take a history class?

 

[Rawley]

The Electoral College was designed to prevent Virginia, the most populous state from winning every Presidential election, even though they did for 4 out of the first 5 of the Presidents being born there. I see your knowledge of history and the Constitution are at a racist elementary school level.

cnm is a sheepherder on an island in the pacific.

 

[22lcidw]

More childlike Political Musing from Liberty "Kid".



Pretty much. The problem isn't the two parties, the problem is that very few of us engage in primaries, and then when it gets to the general election, we say, "How did we get these two dopes?"

The problem is that the electoral college locks us into a two-party system. The best a third party can do is to toss the election into Congress. And we still end up with one of the two parties.



That's wonderful. The problem with third parties is that they are even more extreme than the two main ones.

Third parties' best showing in a while was in 2016 when they got 6% of the vote. So you had the Libertarians, who ran a guy who promised he wouldn't smoke dope in the White House, and the Greens, who had a candidate who was funded entirely as a spoiler by Russia to help Trump.



Well, if you were more mature, you'd realize that at one time, we had conservative Democrats and Liberal Republicans. Then the goo-goos (what the late Mayor Daley called "Do-gooders") got involved, and limited how much money could go to candidates directly. That meant that the national parties became the gatekeepers on who got support.

Here in Chicago, we had one of the last few "Conservative" Democrats, Congressman Dan Lipinski (I went to grammar school with his sister; our families were in the same parish growing up). Danny Boy got the job because his Dad had it, and Dad withdrew after winning the primary, and the party bosses put his son in. He was anti-choice, which was a deal killer for a lot of Democrats, but he still did kind of okay with the working-class white Catholics in Chicago. Until the 2020 primary, when a Bernie-Bot beat him. She served one term before the party bosses effectively eliminated her district.

The thing is that money is the mother's milk of politics, and as long as it goes through Parties and PACs, you are not going to see a lot of ideological variances.

A third party won't change that because the big money won't go to them



Nope, we're stuck with it.

It is a little more than that. Most of the candidates running in primaries are going to be in the same agreement level as the elites. Republicans do not care for more conservative candidates in the primaries and even work to rid them from the process. Having one candidate cancel out another as an example. So, we end up with W., McCain and Romney. Progs were stuck in 2020. They had to get Joe to run. He was known. And the primary for all I know in South Carolina and touted by an African American congressman could have been fixed as the trust in the voting system is lower and lower.

 

[Independent thinker]

Good luck. They can't even articulate the policy of this 'third party', let alone provide any solid reason why anyone would vote for it.

I'm for a third party but I also have a high dose of reality. I had high hopes for the Reform Party many years ago but they disintegrated. Most all of the current third parties are on the extremes, except for the Libertarians, who seem to be happy with just getting about 2% of the vote. They don't aspire to anything more than that.

 

[Billiejeens]

MAGAt education has riz agin'.

I get that you are one of those ignorant fucks that thinks that the world began when Candidate Trump came down the escalator -
Real world - it didn't.
Almost all of the education, for almost everyone on here, came way before that.
Yours was clearly lacking.

When the states wanted to make a union, each state would have representation based on population.
The slave states said - okay we have this many people.
The non-slave states said - no way, wait are you counting the slaves, because normally you treat them as property, not people.
The slave states said - for these purposes they are people.
The non slave states said no - because that would give the slave states control of the power.

So, they negotiated the 3/5 compromise - which anyone that can do math, can clearly see lessened the power of the slave states.

This is not a fully exhaustive explanation - but the facts are accurate.

You are welcome.

 

[Billiejeens]

After the new amendments after the Civil War, that is no longer applicable and can no longer impact elections.

I'm teaching history here - calm down.

 

[Votto]

Tell that to the 50 states that keep asking FEMA for help.

Weaken the central government, and each state would have to stand on it's own.

And there is the rub.

It is human nature to desire to be taken care of instead of pursuing freedom.

How does one fight human nature?

 

[Nobody911]

Is it time for a legitimate third party?

• Too much political divide on issues that could have a common middle ground?
• Our 2 current parties drive their own agenda, while the a unheard majorities voice is left unheard, seen, or advised.
• In today's political climate, how would a third party get a voice? We are not asking for a seat at the table, but rather, a voice that can be heard. Then let the dominoes fall.
• George Washington warned of political parties subverting the people and leading to despotism. This board that example where many on here, express desire to remove the other in totality.
• From Washington - "...The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government.
  
  All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.
  
  However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion".
  
  Farewell Address (1796) | Constitution Center

  National Constitution Center Historic Documents Library record for Farewell Address (1796)

  constitutioncenter.org
• The above is where we are today. Do you disagree?
• Recent Gallup Poll (take it for what it's worth says that support of a third viable party is up 63%
  • Support for Third U.S. Political Party Up to 63%
• And, maybe there is another option; no parties, purely a stance and position.
• Has the country outgrown our political party system?

It's not easy to make the third popular. They kept failing.

The failure of third political parties in America can be attributed to several factors, including the dominant two-party system, electoral mechanics, and voter perceptions.

1. Winner-Takes-All System: The Electoral College and single-member districts favor a two-party system. This discourages voting for third parties, as voters often perceive them as less viable.

2. Ballot Access: Third parties frequently face significant hurdles in gaining access to ballots across states, requiring extensive resources and organization to meet varied state laws.

3. Funding Challenges: Major parties attract more funding due to established donor networks and larger voter bases, making it difficult for third parties to compete effectively.

4. Voter Perception: Many voters fear "wasting" their vote on a third party, leading to a self-perpetuating cycle where third-party candidates struggle to gain traction.

Solutions might include:

- Ranked-Choice Voting: This system allows voters to rank candidates, enabling support for third-party candidates without the fear of wasting a vote.

- Reducing Ballot Access Barriers: Streamlining and standardizing ballot access requirements could provide a more level playing field for third parties.

- Public Financing of Campaigns: Providing public funds for third-party candidates who meet specific criteria could help alleviate funding disparities.

- Increasing Awareness: Educating voters about the importance of diverse political representation can encourage support for third parties.

==>These strategies could enhance the viability of third parties and contribute to a more pluralistic political landscape in America.

 

[cnm]

The Electoral College was designed to prevent Virginia, the most populous state from winning every Presidential election, even though they did for 4 out of the first 5 of the Presidents being born there.

I see you show how dysfunctional the document was from the start.

 

[cnm]

Yes, t is so much of a disaster that countries all over the world copied it for their countries. Did you ever take a history class?

Installed in

Iraq?

Afghanistan?

What success stories.

 

[Skylar]

I'm for a third party but I also have a high dose of reality. I had high hopes for the Reform Party many years ago but they disintegrated. Most all of the current third parties are on the extremes, except for the Libertarians, who seem to be happy with just getting about 2% of the vote. They don't aspire to anything more than that.

Most 3rd parties flash in the pan because they're based on temporary discontent, trying to exploit short term sentiment around a specific issue. As the public's interest in the issue declines, so too does the third party.

If you really wanted to break the 2 party system, you'd need something systemic, no issue specific. Rank choice voting would likely break the 2 party system and balkanize representation. You'd get a more representative democracy that was far more unstable and involved more coalitions.

The issue I see with that is the coalitions. If you have a group of progressive aligned parties voting progressively and a group of conservative aligned parties voting conservatively, how is that significantly different than what we have now?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I'm teaching history here - calm down.

It is still irrelevant and you cannot educate the unteachable.

 

[Votto]

Americans love two things

1. Government makes everything free

2. Low taxes

Hence the two parties.

Now they are paying for it through inflation because nothing is really free.

 

[Skylar]

Americans love two things

1. Government makes everything free

2. Low taxes

Hence the two parties.

Now they are paying for it through inflation because nothing is really free.

Even among conservatives, Americans want more services than they're willing to pay for.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's not easy to make the third popular. They kept failing.

The failure of third political parties in America can be attributed to several factors, including the dominant two-party system, electoral mechanics, and voter perceptions.

1. Winner-Takes-All System: The Electoral College and single-member districts favor a two-party system. This discourages voting for third parties, as voters often perceive them as less viable.

2. Ballot Access: Third parties frequently face significant hurdles in gaining access to ballots across states, requiring extensive resources and organization to meet varied state laws.

3. Funding Challenges: Major parties attract more funding due to established donor networks and larger voter bases, making it difficult for third parties to compete effectively.

4. Voter Perception: Many voters fear "wasting" their vote on a third party, leading to a self-perpetuating cycle where third-party candidates struggle to gain traction.

Solutions might include:

- Ranked-Choice Voting: This system allows voters to rank candidates, enabling support for third-party candidates without the fear of wasting a vote.

- Reducing Ballot Access Barriers: Streamlining and standardizing ballot access requirements could provide a more level playing field for third parties.

- Public Financing of Campaigns: Providing public funds for third-party candidates who meet specific criteria could help alleviate funding disparities.

- Increasing Awareness: Educating voters about the importance of diverse political representation can encourage support for third parties.

==>These strategies could enhance the viability of third parties and contribute to a more pluralistic political landscape in America.

Wow! You are almost as naive and ignorant as the OP with all that claptrap. Ranked choice voting has already proven to be a disaster outside of primaries. Alaska Republicans carried 60% of the vote in their Congressional election, but a Democrat is sitting in the House who finished second overall. If the third party had popular ideas, all of those problems would solve themselves. How else did John Anderson and Ross Perot impact their presidential races?