Is it time for a legitimate third party?

Even among conservatives, Americans want more services than they're willing to pay for.
Sure, they have all been indoctrinated into thinking the same way by the state and educational system and media

Add to that the desire to trade all your freedoms to be taken care of, and you get what you have today.
 
Sure, they have all been indoctrinated into thinking the same way by the state and educational system and media

Add to that the desire to trade all your freedoms to be taken care of, and you get what you have today.

Or we want a military we don't want to pay for.
 
Lol. Even then MAGAts wanted representation without taxation.

The Three-fifths Compromise was an agreement reached during the 1787 United States Constitutional Convention over the inclusion of slaves in a state's total population. This count would determine: the number of seats in the House of Representatives; the number of electoral votes each state would be allocated; and how much money the states would pay in taxes. Slave holding states wanted their entire population to be counted to determine the number of Representatives those states could elect and send to Congress. Free states wanted to exclude the counting of slave populations in slave states, since those slaves had no voting rights. A compromise was struck to resolve this impasse.
 
Lol. Even then MAGAts wanted representation without taxation.

The Three-fifths Compromise was an agreement reached during the 1787 United States Constitutional Convention over the inclusion of slaves in a state's total population. This count would determine: the number of seats in the House of Representatives; the number of electoral votes each state would be allocated; and how much money the states would pay in taxes. Slave holding states wanted their entire population to be counted to determine the number of Representatives those states could elect and send to Congress. Free states wanted to exclude the counting of slave populations in slave states, since those slaves had no voting rights. A compromise was struck to resolve this impasse.
Just so long as those in government don't have to pay taxes, that is really all that matters

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It is only fitting that the head of the IRS was found not to have paid his taxes either.
 
Lol. Even then MAGAts wanted representation without taxation.

The Three-fifths Compromise was an agreement reached during the 1787 United States Constitutional Convention over the inclusion of slaves in a state's total population. This count would determine: the number of seats in the House of Representatives; the number of electoral votes each state would be allocated; and how much money the states would pay in taxes. Slave holding states wanted their entire population to be counted to determine the number of Representatives those states could elect and send to Congress. Free states wanted to exclude the counting of slave populations in slave states, since those slaves had no voting rights. A compromise was struck to resolve this impasse.

That is an insane response.
 
Just so long as those in government don't have to pay taxes, that is really all that matters

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It is only fitting that the head of the IRS was found not to have paid his taxes either.
and these same people will point their authoritative finger in your eye and tell you to pay the fk up sucka, and demofks vote for them
 
Stop giving them free shit, then they will understand.

Why is this so complicated for you?
Are you fucking with me?
Are you really not understanding what you’ve done?
You really think you can cut off free shit to the desperate, government dependent voting block you helped manufacture and keep or get their vote?
What kind of dope are you doing?
These new Americans you seem to cherish are winning elections for the Party of less freedom, expanded government, socialism and ridiculous spending.
All you and dblack had to do was vote with core Americans…instead you went rogue and voted your nation into a shithole you hate.
 
It's not easy to make the third popular. They kept failing. :(

The failure of third political parties in America can be attributed to several factors, including the dominant two-party system, electoral mechanics, and voter perceptions.

1. Winner-Takes-All System: The Electoral College and single-member districts favor a two-party system. This discourages voting for third parties, as voters often perceive them as less viable.

2. Ballot Access: Third parties frequently face significant hurdles in gaining access to ballots across states, requiring extensive resources and organization to meet varied state laws.

3. Funding Challenges: Major parties attract more funding due to established donor networks and larger voter bases, making it difficult for third parties to compete effectively.

4. Voter Perception: Many voters fear "wasting" their vote on a third party, leading to a self-perpetuating cycle where third-party candidates struggle to gain traction.

Solutions might include:

- Ranked-Choice Voting: This system allows voters to rank candidates, enabling support for third-party candidates without the fear of wasting a vote.

- Reducing Ballot Access Barriers: Streamlining and standardizing ballot access requirements could provide a more level playing field for third parties.

- Public Financing of Campaigns: Providing public funds for third-party candidates who meet specific criteria could help alleviate funding disparities.

- Increasing Awareness: Educating voters about the importance of diverse political representation can encourage support for third parties.

==>These strategies could enhance the viability of third parties and contribute to a more pluralistic political landscape in America. :)
thank you chatgpt
 
Most 3rd parties flash in the pan because they're based on temporary discontent, trying to exploit short term sentiment around a specific issue. As the public's interest in the issue declines, so too does the third party.

If you really wanted to break the 2 party system, you'd need something systemic, no issue specific. Rank choice voting would likely break the 2 party system and balkanize representation. You'd get a more representative democracy that was far more unstable and involved more coalitions.

The issue I see with that is the coalitions. If you have a group of progressive aligned parties voting progressively and a group of conservative aligned parties voting conservatively, how is that significantly different than what we have now?
I am against RCV.
 
Are you fucking with me?
Are you really not understanding what you’ve done?
You really think you can cut off free shit to the desperate, government dependent voting block you helped manufacture and keep or get their vote?
What kind of dope are you doing?
These new Americans you seem to cherish are winning elections for the Party of less freedom, expanded government, socialism and ridiculous spending.
All you and dblack had to do was vote with core Americans…instead you went rogue and voted your nation into a shithole you hate.

I have not done a damn thing, this is all on you and your fellow duopoly cult members. This is not the result of one party and only one party, this was a group effort.

And every time you voted for your beloved GOP you were giving them your stamp of approval to keep doing what they were doing
 
All you and dblack had to do was vote with core Americans…instead you went rogue and voted your nation into a shithole you hate.
Yes, yes, yes. The blame for our shitty leaders should be placed on the people who didn't vote for them.

You're a special kind of stupid, BL.
 
Yes, yes, yes. The blame for our shitty leaders should be placed on the people who didn't vote for them.

You're a special kind of stupid, BL.

And how did not voting alter the election of shitty leaders?

Again, all you're buying with inaction is feelings. Not outcomes.
 
I think this explains it better than my words:


And, instead of helping third parties, it seems more likely to lead to one party control.
 
Most 3rd parties flash in the pan because they're based on temporary discontent, trying to exploit short term sentiment around a specific issue. As the public's interest in the issue declines, so too does the third party.

If you really wanted to break the 2 party system, you'd need something systemic, no issue specific. Rank choice voting would likely break the 2 party system and balkanize representation. You'd get a more representative democracy that was far more unstable and involved more coalitions.
Most examples of widespread usage of rcv, primarily Australia, show that you still tend to end up with two dominant parties. The big difference is that we get an accurate read on support for third parties, and their issues get more attention - which encourages the coalition building as you suggest.
The issue I see with that is the coalitions. If you have a group of progressive aligned parties voting progressively and a group of conservative aligned parties voting conservatively, how is that significantly different than what we have now?
It's different because, under rcv, we'll know how many people prefer the third party over the majors. If we went RCV, and libertarians (or greens, or whoever) got 20% of the first place votes, that will get the attention of the dominant parties. As it is, we have no idea how many people actually prefer the third parties because most of them are scared away by the spoiler affect and choose the lesser of two evils.
 
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