Is it Possible for Israel and Palestine to Peacefully Coexist?

[Coyote]

The Arabs have shown that Land for peace is suicidal for Israelis

The Israeli’s never really wanted land for peace, there was always a contingent unwilling to give up any of the land that was taken. They withdrew from Gaza because of the high economic and political costs incurred in maintaining a security presence for a few settlements.

 

[Rigby5]

The only thing that the Israelis and the Palestinians seem to agree on is that their opposites should not exist as sovereign countries. Is this an immutable law of religious beliefs, or is it a stubborn bargaining position that both sides have taken? Will it ultimately take the removal of millions of Israelis or Palestinians from the area to resolve this conflict?

The idea of resettling local populations to other areas has been around (and practiced) for thousands of years. [Even Hitler wanted to resettle European Jews to the French colony of Madagascar before that became unrealistic.] Are there any geographical options today that might separate these two warring parties before they annihilate each other?

There is nothing religious about the conflict in Palestine.
There were about 5% of the population of Palestine who were Jewish, before the massive immigration around WWII, and there was no problem at all then.
The problem is not religion, but that Zionists are using violence to take the homes of the Palestinian natives, by force.

If you want to get the picture, just go back and look how it started.
In 1946, Menachim Begin murdered the British peacekeepers by blowing up the King David Hotel.
He also gunned down Folke Bernadotte, the UN moderator.
He did that so no one could stop him from then ordering his gangs to start wiping out hundreds of native villages like Deir Yassin.

So there you have it.
The problem is the invading European Zionists are entirely at fault.

 

[Rigby5]

Why not draw a straight line through the middle like between North and South Korea?

The UN made a division in 1948.
The problem was in 1967, Israel violated the UN partition and invaded the West Bank and Jerusalem.
It is Israel that is entirely at fault.

 

[Rigby5]

The Arabs don't want peace.
In fact, they never have.
Arabistan has never declared a fixed border.
Because its goal is to ethnically cleans all the Israelis from the region and establish a Greater Arabistan.

False.
The Arabs originally invited the European Jewish refugees.
They always wanted peace.
Palestine has always declared a fixed border because they have traditions thousands of year old, where they stay where the bones of their ancestors are buried.
In contrast, the Jews are migratory.
There essentially were no significant numbers of Jews in Palestine before 1920, because the Diaspora Decree of 160 AD told all Jews to atone for the sins of arrogance and pride.
They were not supposed to return to the Mideast until the coming of the Messiah.

 

[Rigby5]

Israel ceded territory and declared a fixed border with Gaza. And here we are.

(Israel does not need to declare borders, she inherited borders at her Independence.)

Wrong.
Israel has illegally invaded Gaza, but found it could not afford to control it since it was full of millions of Palestinian, so they retreated back to Israel.

The borders of Israel did not exist until the UN partition of 1948, and they never included any of the West Bank or Jerusalem.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Israeli’s never really wanted land for peace, there was always a contingent unwilling to give up any of the land that was taken.

How large a contingent? Now compare that to the number of "Palestinians" who don't
even think Israel has a right to exist.

 

[Coyote]

How large a contingent? Now compare that to the number of "Palestinians" who don't
even think Israel has a right to exist.

Large enough to have effectively stalled any attempts.

 

[Rigby5]

Not quite accurate. Back in the 1990's, Israel offered the so called Palestinians all of Gaza, 93% of the West Bank, an elevated highway under the control of the PA connecting Gaza and the West Bank and joint jurisdiction to Jerusalem, and the Palestinians emphatically said, no, by launching the second intifada.

After the second intifada had been suppressed, Israel made another effort to exchange land for peace with the so called Palestinians under Olmert, and again it was rejected.

In 2005, Ariel Sharon withdrew all Israelis from Gaza and closed all but a few settlements in the West Bank in still another effort to give the Palestinians a sovereign state in return for peace, and the offer was again rejected; the war we are now seeing is the direct result of withdrawing the IDF from Gaza in Israel's search for peace with the Palestinians.

So it clearly incorrect to say Israel is opposed to the existence of a sovereign Palestinian state, however the Palestinians have made quite clear that they will not live in peace with Israel.

Wrong.
The point is that in 1948, the Zionists started massacring native Arab villages in Palestine, like Deir Yassin.
To escape being murdered, millions of Palestinians fled to refugee camps in Lebanon, Jordan, etc.
The peace negotiation between the Palestinians and Israelis always failed because Israel has always refused the Right of Return of these refugees back to the homes they are the legal owners of.

Israel is illegally in possession of millions of homes that legally belong to Palestinian Arab natives.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The UN made a division in 1948.
The problem was in 1967, Israel violated the UN partition and invaded the West Bank and Jerusalem.
It is Israel that is entirely at fault.

The UN made a division in 1948.

Who was the other portion of the "division"?

The problem was in 1967, Israel violated the UN partition

Where was this so-called "partition"?

and invaded the West Bank and Jerusalem.

Israel invaded its own capital? And what country was called "The West Bank"?

 

[Rigby5]

With the Syrian government having been overthrown by a fragmented group of fighters, Turkey occupying about 15% of the land the Assad government had once controlled, Iranian militias occupying still more and the Russians occupying still more, does a sovereign state of Syria still exist?

Of course Syria still exists, and it is illegal and immoral for Israel to steal more land.
And you are wrong.
Turkey, Iranian militias, and Russia, do not "occupy" any land in Syria.

Turkey has forces there, but only to counter the Kurds attackers who are based there.
The Iranian militias support the government of Syria.
The Russians left over a week ago.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

False.
The Arabs originally invited the European Jewish refugees.
They always wanted peace.
Palestine has always declared a fixed border because they have traditions thousands of year old, where they stay where the bones of their ancestors are buried.
In contrast, the Jews are migratory.
There essentially were no significant numbers of Jews in Palestine before 1920, because the Diaspora Decree of 160 AD told all Jews to atone for the sins of arrogance and pride.
They were not supposed to return to the Mideast until the coming of the Messiah.

The Arabs originally invited the European Jewish refugees.

How? When? Link?

Palestine has always declared a fixed border

When did "Palestine" come into existence? How did "they" declare a fixed border?
Fixed with what other countries?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Large enough to have effectively stalled any attempts.

Not like the other side, right?
There were several attempts, but that gay Egyptian terrorist kept refusing.

 

[Rigby5]

How large a contingent? Now compare that to the number of "Palestinians" who don't
even think Israel has a right to exist.

What right does Israel has to exist?
There is no legal, ethical, religious, or historic basis for Israel to exist or ever have existed.
The Hebrew had lived in Egypt for over 400 years, so had no right to invade the Land of Canaan, and massacre the Canaanites.
But they were soon defeated by the Assyrians, so have no history in the region at all.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What right does Israel has to exist?
There is no legal, ethical, religious, or historic basis for Israel to exist or ever have existed.
The Hebrew had lived in Egypt for over 400 years, so had no right to invade the Land of Canaan, and massacre the Canaanites.
But they were soon defeated by the Assyrians, so have no history in the region at all.

And yet, Israel does exist.

 

[Rigby5]

The UN made a division in 1948.

Who was the other portion of the "division"?

The problem was in 1967, Israel violated the UN partition

Where was this so-called "partition"?

and invaded the West Bank and Jerusalem.

Israel invaded its own capital? And what country was called "The West Bank"?

The land was legally made sovereign as Palestine by the Treaty of San Remo and the Treaty of Sevres, in 1920.
So Palestine is the ONLY legal country there.
The UN has no authority take half of Palestine and give it to Israel.

Here is the 1948 UN partition of Palestine.

You can plainly see the West Bank and Jerusalem is on the Arab side of Palestine, and not Israel.
You will also notice Palestine retained most of the border with Egypt.

The capital of Israel was Tel Aviv until after the 1967 invasion of Jerusalem.

 

[Rigby5]

The Arabs originally invited the European Jewish refugees.

How? When? Link?

Palestine has always declared a fixed border

When did "Palestine" come into existence? How did "they" declare a fixed border?
Fixed with what other countries?

The Jews were invited to Palestine by the Palestinians in 1920, when they sent envoys to the International Jewish Congress in Carlsbad in 1920.

The "fixed" border of Palestine was established by the Treaty of San Remo and Treaty of Sevres, in 1920
Palestine was owed and promised its independence for helping Lawrence of Arabia in WWI.
All countries involved in WWI agreed to the borders of Palestine.
But there were no significant number of Jews there yet in 1920.

 

[Rigby5]

And yet, Israel does exist.

Lots of criminals have not yet been tried and punished for their crimes.
It does not make them less criminal.

 

[Rigby5]

How large a contingent? Now compare that to the number of "Palestinians" who don't
even think Israel has a right to exist.

Wrong.
What you forget is that Jews have rights in Palestine, but Arab natives are constantly abused and have their homes stolen in land controlled by Israel.
So Israel cannot be allowed to ever be in control.
They are criminal and have consistently murdered and stolen homes of the native land owners.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The land was legally made sovereign as Palestine by the Treaty of San Remo and the Treaty of Sevres, in 1920.
So Palestine is the ONLY legal country there.
The UN has no authority take half of Palestine and give it to Israel.

Here is the 1948 UN partition of Palestine.

You can plainly see the West Bank and Jerusalem is on the Arab side of Palestine, and not Israel.
You will also notice Palestine retained most of the border with Egypt.

The capital of Israel was Tel Aviv until after the 1967 invasion of Jerusalem.

The land was legally made sovereign as Palestine by the Treaty of San Remo and the Treaty of Sevres, in 1920.

Nice! Who were their leaders in 1920? What was their currency? Did they sign any treaties with neighboring nations?

You can plainly see the West Bank and Jerusalem is on the Arab side of Palestine,

Arab side? Who were the Arab leaders? What was their currency?

The capital of Israel was Tel Aviv until after the 1967 invasion of Jerusalem.

How far did the Israeli Army have to travel to "invade" Jerusalem? How many Palestinian Army tanks and troops were there to resist the Israeli advance?

 

[Shusha]

The Israeli’s never really wanted land for peace, there was always a contingent unwilling to give up any of the land that was taken. They withdrew from Gaza because of the high economic and political costs incurred in maintaining a security presence for a few settlements.

There has always been a larger contingent of Israeli's who support Arab Palestinian independence and a peaceful two-state solution.