Is it Possible for Israel and Palestine to Peacefully Coexist?

[ESay]

While I appreciate your apparent confidence in my intellectual abilities to remember numerous conversations occurring over months, I'm afraid I do not recall your specific list. Remind me.

Not months, it was some days ago. Turn Gaza into a separate nation, demilitarised, under supervision of an international committee (consisting of the Gulf states, Egypt and Jordan) cooperating with Israel oer security matters, lifting all sea and air blockade of Gaza.

 

[gipper]

Not months, it was some days ago. Turn Gaza into a separate nation, demilitarised, under supervision of an international committee (consisting of the Gulf states, Egypt and Jordan) cooperating with Israel oer security matters, lifting all sea and air blockade of Gaza.

Never happen. The Zionist apartheid regime won’t allow it.

 

[ESay]

What 1948 "borders" are you referring to? Surely, you are not implying that invading a sovereign state creates new borders for the invaded state? (I'm sure Ukraine will be surprised to hear that.)

The Arabs considered this partition plan as an idea forced on them by imperial powers. For them, there wasn't any 'sovereign state'.

 

[ESay]

I beg to differ. It took nearly 20 years for the people of Gaza to slowly build up the capacity to commit atrocities against Israeli civilians. Did it prevent it completely - no. Did it limit the scope and frequency - absolutely.

Okay.

 

[Shusha]

Not months, it was some days ago. Turn Gaza into a separate nation, demilitarised, under supervision of an international committee (consisting of the Gulf states, Egypt and Jordan) cooperating with Israel oer security matters, lifting all sea and air blockade of Gaza.

And you believe this will create conditions where the people of Gaza no longer feel "occupied". Or just not "occupied" by Israel?

Do you believe Egypt, Jordan, and the Gulf states will be reliable in preventing importation of weapons?

For clarity, I don't hate this idea, but feel it is perhaps optimistic on all fronts, and it depends on Israel trusting state and non-state actors with Israel's security.

 

[ESay]

I can bet that after a while, when guys in hats having taken control over the Mount, they begin demanding respecting their religious beliefs that forbid any desecration of their holy place.

Shusha
No comment on this? Just my fantasies?

 

[Shusha]

The Arabs considered this partition plan as an idea forced on them by imperial powers. For them, there wasn't any 'sovereign state'.

Well, the Arabs can deny reality and international law all they want, but it doesn't make it objectively true. So, let's get back to the objective reality of borders in 1948.

 

[Shusha]

Shusha
No comment on this? Just my fantasies?

Well, if "guys in hats" is to be interpreted as Jews (which is reductive and insulting), we'd have to talk about what is meant by "desecration". I think you are implying that the mere presence of a mosque on the site of the Temple Mount is, of itself, a desecration.

 

[JoeB131]

That is the way to get rid of the Palestinians: gradually push them out.

Or send the Zionists squatters back to Europe.

Eventually, Iran gets the bomb, and then Israel is done.

 

[JoeB131]

To put some perspective on the above, here’s a map of the Middle East. Israel represents 0.2% at most, and the Arabs have 99.8% (especially after they expelled a million Jews from their land).

More like 800,000, most of whom left voluntarily, as opposed to 5 million Palestinians who have been displaced from their ancestral lands.

 

[Shusha]

Well, if "guys in hats" is to be interpreted as Jews (which is reductive and insulting), we'd have to talk about what is meant by "desecration". I think you are implying that the mere presence of a mosque on the site of the Temple Mount is, of itself, a desecration.

Adding to this: I believe you see Jews and Muslims as believing and acting the SAME when it comes to holy sites. Again, objective reality demonstrates this is not true in point of fact. When the Jewish people (State of Israel) are in control of the holy sites we witness equality of access, shared spaces, mutual respect. Christian sites are controlled by Christians (Church of Holy Sepulcher) and Muslim sites are controlled by Muslims (Al-Aqsa Mosque) and Jewish sites are controlled by Jews (the Kotel). "Shared" sites (Tomb of the Patriarchs) are truly shared.

When Arab Muslims are in control of the holy sites we witness severe restrictions (no access to the Kotel or the Tomb of the Patriarchs 1948-1967, no full access now to the Temple Mount or Joseph's Tomb).

I have to wonder why, then, you are not pressing for the Arab Muslims to adopt a more moral stance on this issue, rather than "You are trying to take what I have rightfully stolen".

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Arabs considered this partition plan as an idea forced on them by imperial powers. For them, there wasn't any 'sovereign state'.

How'd that work out for the Arab invaders?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

More like 800,000, most of whom left voluntarily, as opposed to 5 million Palestinians who have been displaced from their ancestral lands.

5 million Palestinians were displaced from Saudi Arabia?

 

[Hector12]

Or send the Zionists squatters back to Europe.

Eventually, Iran gets the bomb, and then Israel is done.

Israel has had the bomb for decades.

Meanwhile, Trump will deal with Iran.

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[JoeB131]

Israel has had the bomb for decades.

Meanwhile, Trump will deal with Iran.

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Really? Are you going to go off and fight that war?

We actually had a good deal to keep Iran from getting the bomb, but Trump pooched it.

Now the Iranians are probably rushing to get one. And it's not like it's complicated technology

 

[Hector12]

Really? Are you going to go off and fight that war?

We actually had a good deal to keep Iran from getting the bomb, but Trump pooched it.

Now the Iranians are probably rushing to get one. And it's not like it's complicated technology

That is the reason to hit them now and hit them hard. We don't need to use nukes. All we need to do is to beat them into the sand. When we do that Trump's approval rating will go through the roof, just wait.

 

[Hector12]

Okay and you think that about them.

Who is doing the killing? You!

Israel is winning another war with the Palestinians. It is fun to watch.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We actually had a good deal to keep Iran from getting the bomb, but Trump pooched it.

Hilarious!

 

[JoeB131]

That is the reason to hit them now and hit them hard. We don't need to use nukes. All we need to do is to beat them into the sand. When we do that Trump's approval rating will go through the roof, just wait.

Yeah, guy, let's look at that.

First, let's start with you've never spent a day in uniform, so you should probably shut up about the war stuff.

Our ability to bomb Iran is actually... kind of limited.

Our B-52 fleet is effectively gone, and we don't have that many B-2's to replace them. It's not like Desert Storm or Operaton Enduring Freedom where we can carpet bomb them anymore.

Secondly, the Iranians have pretty impressive air defenses.

If we are going to send fighters and bombers into their airspace, expect to lose a lot of them.

If anything, such an air attack would probably strengthen the Iranian government.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yeah, guy, let's look at that.

First, let's start with you've never spent a day in uniform, so you should probably shut up about the war stuff.

Our ability to bomb Iran is actually... kind of limited.

Our B-52 fleet is effectively gone, and we don't have that many B-2's to replace them. It's not like Desert Storm or Operaton Enduring Freedom where we can carpet bomb them anymore.

Secondly, the Iranians have pretty impressive air defenses.

If we are going to send fighters and bombers into their airspace, expect to lose a lot of them.

If anything, such an air attack would probably strengthen the Iranian government.

Our B-52 fleet is effectively gone

Do we need more than 76?

Secondly, the Iranians have pretty impressive air defenses.

LOL!