Is it Possible for Israel and Palestine to Peacefully Coexist?

[Shusha]

I brought that up. If anyone wonders why there needs to be a blockade, Oct 7th should have answered that.

Exactly. If the blockade was never implemented, or if the blockade was lifted prematurely, the result would have been atrocities committed similar to October 7 but they would be earlier, more frequent, and far, far more devastating. And all the consequences to the people of Gaza following those atrocities.

Do those arguing the "open air prison" angle really believe that if Israel just lifted the blockade there would be peace?

 

[Lisa558]

Exactly. If the blockade was never implemented, or if the blockade was lifted prematurely, the result would have been atrocities committed similar to October 7 but they would be earlier, more frequent, and far, far more devastating. And all the consequences to the people of Gaza following those atrocities.

Do those arguing the "open air prison" angle really believe that if Israel just lifted the blockade there would be peace?

Those arguing the “open air prison” angle are predisposed to think the worst of Jews and the best of Muslims who root for their extermination.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Al Mashtal Hotel 2023​

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Zionist savages​

FAFO.

 

[ESay]

Wow. That is an interesting take.

If "some guys" usurp a holy site that belongs to someone else, it becomes the usurper's property and the original owner has no right to recover it?

This feels to me like, "I stole it fair and square. It's mine now and you can't step foot on it".

As opposed to, "Hey, we both now, through the course of history, have a strong attachment to this holy place. Let's find a way for both of us to be able to approach Gd in this place."

The former (the Arab Palestinian and generally Muslim) position is not the path to peace. The latter (the Israeli and generally Jewish) position of mutual respect and recognition IS the way to peace.

The main question is who the original owner is. Why not the Canaanites who were massacred by the Jews?

The former (the Arab Palestinian and generally Muslim) position is not the path to peace. The latter (the Israeli and generally Jewish) position of mutual respect and recognition IS the way to peace

I can bet that after a while, when guys in hats having taken control over the Mount, they begin demanding respecting their religious beliefs that forbid any desecration of their holy place.

 

[ESay]

This is such strange projection. Israel has never taken any unilateral steps to expand its territory into the sovereign territory of other states. Indeed, Israel has been ever-shrinking to allow for the possible emergence of another state. Israel has responded to belligerent aggression and security concerns.

How people can, apparently with genuine belief, say that Israel is "ever-expanding" after 100 years of Israel not expanding just boggles my mind.

Not expanding, you say? Maybe I forgot that Israrl still exists in 1948 or at least in 1967 borders. And recent movements of its army in Syria never happened.

 

[ESay]

I hope we are all agreed that this eternal war against the Jewish people needs to stop, and that it won't be stopped without the efforts of the international community.

If, in the above sentence, by "they" you mean the people of Gaza, then they must establish and communicate what conditions must be met in order for them to stop seeing Gaza as occupied. What do you think would be reasonable conditions? And, if they are not the same, what unreasonable conditions do you think they would demand?

I already told you what I consider as reasonable conditions in resolving the Gaza issue. Have you forgot?

 

[ESay]

The problem I have with this argument is that it entirely ignores the actions of the people of Gaza, as though the blockade exists without cause.

It has the cause. But it completely failed in achieving the goals.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

at least in 1967 borders

Armistice lines.

 

[Shusha]

I already told you what I consider as reasonable conditions in resolving the Gaza issue. Have you forgot?

While I appreciate your apparent confidence in my intellectual abilities to remember numerous conversations occurring over months, I'm afraid I do not recall your specific list. Remind me.

 

[Shusha]

Not expanding, you say? Maybe I forgot that Israrl still exists in 1948 or at least in 1967 borders. And recent movements of its army in Syria never happened.

What 1948 "borders" are you referring to? Surely, you are not implying that invading a sovereign state creates new borders for the invaded state? (I'm sure Ukraine will be surprised to hear that.)

 

[Lisa558]

While I appreciate your apparent confidence in my intellectual abilities to remember numerous conversations occurring over months, I'm afraid I do not recall your specific list. Remind me.

I will predict that whatever his proposal is, it ignores the little detail that Palestinians want Israel destroyed.

 

[the watcher]

 

[Lisa558]

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To put some perspective on the above, here’s a map of the Middle East. Israel represents 0.2% at most, and the Arabs have 99.8% (especially after they expelled a million Jews from their land).

Pick out Israel on the map:

 

[Shusha]

It has the cause. But it completely failed in achieving the goals.

I beg to differ. It took nearly 20 years for the people of Gaza to slowly build up the capacity to commit atrocities against Israeli civilians. Did it prevent it completely - no. Did it limit the scope and frequency - absolutely.

 

[Shusha]

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[ShahdagMountains]

What they were promised

What they got.

 

[Hector12]

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That is the way to get rid of the Palestinians: gradually push them out.

 

[gipper]

Those arguing the “open air prison” angle are predisposed to think the worst of Jews and the best of Muslims who root for their extermination.

No. It’s merely stating a fact. Something unknown to Zionists like yourself.

You consider Palestinians subhumans and want them all murdered.

 

[Hector12]

You consider Palestinians subhumans and want them all murdered.

That is what the Palestinians think about the Jews.

 

[gipper]

That is what the Palestinians think about the Jews.

Okay and you think that about them.

Who is doing the killing? You!