Is it fair to conflate immigration enforcement with xenophobia?

[Midnight FM]

No, blacks were never meant to be citizens. Our founders were wise. Even Lincoln wanted to deport them in his second term. Only Whites were to be citizens of the new nation. Also so what if they owned negro slaves. And one other thing, blacks are not equal to White people. They never have been.

Too bad. Blacks are citizens under the law. There are blacks in the Republican party, and there's not a snowball's chance in hell of rounding up and deporting everyone who is black just because a racist doesn't like living with people who don't share their skin color. Save those fantasies for the likes of Stormfront.

If you want to go there, then whites were never indigenous to North America, so you can always move back to Europe if you don't like it.

 

[HaShev]

It’s worth pointing out that opposition to illegal immigration is often unfairly labeled as anti-immigrant, when in fact many people, including Trump, have consistently said they support legal immigration. As far as I can tell, the conflation of legal and illegal immigration seems to happen for a few reasons. Some on the left use it as a rhetorical strategy. By framing any immigration enforcement as anti-immigrant, they can cast their opponents as xenophobic, regardless of the actual policy details. Others may blur the lines because they view borders as morally arbitrary in general, so the legal distinction doesn’t matter to them. There's also a political advantage in simplifying the debate and evoking emotional responses. In reality, there's a clear difference between welcoming people through a legal process and opposing uncontrolled or undocumented entry. It’s not anti-immigrant to expect people to come legally. That’s a standard every country in the world maintains.

Kind of hard for them to sell thst narrative when half the enforcement are Latino/Latina themselves.
Unforgivable and unforgetable is the left nutjobs comparing criminals being detained and deported with that of innocent Jews sent to actual concentration camps.
Think about this:
They are comparing someone like
CONCENTRATION CAMP SURVIVOR Robert Clary best known for his role as Corporal Louis LeBeau on the television sitcom Hogan's Heroes, with that of murderers, human traffickers, drug smugglers, rapists, and cop killers.
Clary was 16 in September 1942 when he was deported from Paris to Nazi concentration camps with 12 other members of his Jewish family. He was the only one who survived. Clary spent 2.5 years in the Ottmuth, Blachhammer, Gross-Rosen and Buchenwald concentration camps, enduring hunger, disease and forced labor. CNN knows this, they are the one who wrote the article on his ordeal, yet they let guests spew such horrid insulting comparisons unchecked/ unchallenged.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Sounds like you're relishing the prospect and can't wait... sounds like you have a vested interesting in seeing that happen...

It sounds like I recognize reality and that you resent you can't change anything.

 

[EMH]

It sounds like I recognize reality and that you resent you can't change anything.

"reality" is something other than mindlessly parroting MSNBC

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

As for white skin color you could be right

Libs have flooded the country with enough non whites to make America off-color

But as long as white culture survives and dominates we will be ok

It will survive but continually become less dominating.

 

[Mac-7]

It will survive but continually become less dominating.

As white culture goes so goes the nation

 

[Midnight FM]

As white culture goes so goes the nation

There is no one "white culture". What you refer to as "white" is made up of many different ethnic groups of different origins. English, French, German, and so on. And, historically, they haven't even considered each other to be of the same race, such as how the KKK was bigoted against Irish Catholics or anyone they didn't consider "Anglo-Saxon" and so on.

 

[Mac-7]

There is no one "white culture". What you refer to as "white" is made up of many different ethnic groups of different origins. English, French, German, and so on. And, historically, they haven't even considered each other to be of the same race, such as how the KKK was bigoted against Irish Catholics or anyone they didn't consider "Anglo-Saxon" and so on.

Yeah, and for the most part those ethnic groups took the best aspects of each other and melded into one winning white culture

 

[Midnight FM]

Yeah, and for the most part those ethnic groups took the best aspects of each other and melded into one winning white culture

You're going to have to define that culture for me then. Or explain how American culture defines "white culture" as opposed to European or Australian culture.

 

[Mac-7]

You're going to have to define that culture for me then. Or explain how American culture defines "white culture" as opposed to European or Australian culture.

As for Australia I have no comment

But the Euros are no longer hard workers or morally driven

 

[Midnight FM]

As for Australia I have no comment

But the Euros are no longer hard workers or morally driven

That assumes they ever were, whatever that means.

 

[Correll]

It sounds like I recognize reality and that you resent you can't change anything.

Cowardly dodge.

 

[Correll]

You're going to have to define that culture for me then. Or explain how American culture defines "white culture" as opposed to European or Australian culture.

That's retarded.

 

[JoeB131]

It’s worth pointing out that opposition to illegal immigration is often unfairly labeled as anti-immigrant, when in fact many people, including Trump, have consistently said they support legal immigration.

yeah, I'm going to have to stop you right there without reading the rest of your word salad.

If Trump was only against "illegal" immigration, he wouldn't be finding excuses to throw out legal immigrants, some of whom have been here since Childhood.

Like the Korean man who won a Purple Heart in Panama, but was denied citizenship because he didn't have enough time in service.

This is about racism. America isn't as white as it used to be, and that upsets people.

 

[Midnight FM]

That's retarded.

If you can't define it, then it begs the question. I wasn't under the impression that everyone who is considered "white" necessarily does the same thing.

 

[Anomalism]

yes

It's xenophobic to enforce our immigration laws? How?

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

yes

So you're saying it is fair to conflate (confuse) immigration enforcement with xenophobia?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

It’s worth pointing out that opposition to illegal immigration is often unfairly labeled as anti-immigrant, when in fact many people, including Trump, have consistently said they support legal immigration. As far as I can tell, the conflation of legal and illegal immigration seems to happen for a few reasons. Some on the left use it as a rhetorical strategy. By framing any immigration enforcement as anti-immigrant, they can cast their opponents as xenophobic, regardless of the actual policy details. Others may blur the lines because they view borders as morally arbitrary in general, so the legal distinction doesn’t matter to them. There's also a political advantage in simplifying the debate and evoking emotional responses. In reality, there's a clear difference between welcoming people through a legal process and opposing uncontrolled or undocumented entry. It’s not anti-immigrant to expect people to come legally. That’s a standard every country in the world maintains.

It is what the left does - they demonize - ALL - opinions that don't reflect their views, even when extreme.
Add this with their VERY powerful need to virtue signal - and you get the modern Democratic party. They are akin to "The Mean Girls". Constantly having to restate their group mentality. And many times doing that, by demonizing everyone not like them.

 

[Anomalism]

It is what the left does - they demonize - ALL - opinions that don't reflect their views, even when extreme.
Add this with their VERY powerful need to virtue signal - and you get the modern Democratic party. They are akin to "The Mean Girls". Constantly having to restate their group mentality. And many times doing that, by demonizing everyone not like them.

The right does it too. There are posters on this very forum that paint anybody that disagrees with them as evil communists or communist sympathizers, no matter where they actually fall on the political spectrum. It's the unfortunate reality of tribal politics. There are liars all around. People aren't looking for truth; they're looking for victory.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

The right does it too. There are posters on this very forum that paint anybody that disagrees with them as evil communists or communist sympathizers, no matter where they actually fall on the political spectrum. It's the unfortunate reality of tribal politics. There are liars all around. People aren't looking for truth; they're looking for victory.

I offer to you that they are the minority within the conservative base.
On the left - it is virtually all of them.
On this forum, you can find plenty of posts/threads from conservatives that are against a Republican - and absolutely - yes - against Trump. I am one of them.
I challenge you to find - ANY - post by a stated Democrat here that is against Democrats. Or one that ever admitted Joe Biden had serious cognitive decline. ANY.