Is Home-Schooling a Fundamental Right?

[PoliticalChic]

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my son would be much less kind to you than I

And don't think for a minute that I don't appreciate you kindness and generosity with your time!





Want me to say a prayer for you?

You pray any time about anything you want to pray about


You see you mistake me stating what I believe as an attack on your religion.


You get to talk about what you believe and I get to talk about what I believe.


The christains have been able for so many decades to FORCE others to pretend they believe out of bullying they forgot they were the bully.

Freedom of religion means I dont have to pretend to believe in christianity for your comfort.


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"The christains have been able for so many decades to FORCE others...."

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[Truthmatters]

it is really silly to watch the MAJORIY religion in the country lie and pretend they are being opursecuted simply becuase others have a right to talk publically about their religions too.

 

[PoliticalChic]

are you going to change your bullying ways and quit accusing anyone who talks about what they believe and happen not to be christian of being ANTI christian?

How many 'Hail Marys"?

 

[Truthmatters]

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you guys get carried away when allowed to run things

 

[Truthmatters]

see you refuse to allow me the same rights as you stomp arround claiming are being trampled for you

 

[Truthmatters]

I have every right to not believe in things that have NO basis in FACTS.

You like a good inquisition member pretend all high and mighty and claim your a better human being simply becuase you bought a package of myths.


Your actually commiting a sin in your own world veiw

 

[PoliticalChic]

Inquisition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


you guys get carried away when allowed to run things

And 'you guys'?
Good thing you're peaceful.....almost:

First World War (1914–18): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15 million
Russian Civil War (1917–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 million
Soviet Union, Stalin’s regime (1924–53): . . . . . . . . . 20 million
Second World War (1937–45): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 55 million
Chinese Civil War (1945–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.5 million
People’s Republic of China, Mao Zedong’s
regime (1949–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 million
Tibet (1950 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 600,000
Congo Free State (1886–1908): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 million
Mexico (1910–20): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Turkish massacres of Armenians (1915–23): . . . . . 1.5 million
China (1917–28): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 800,000
China, Nationalist era (1928–37): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.1 million
Korean War (1950–53): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.8 million
North Korea (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 million
Rwanda and Burundi (1959–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.35 million
Second Indochina War (1960–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.5 million
Ethiopia (1962–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Nigeria (1966–70): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Bangladesh (1971): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.25 million
Cambodia, Khmer Rouge (1975–78): . . . . . . . . . . . 1.65 million
Mozambique (1975–92): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Afghanistan (1979–2001): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.8 million
Iran–Iraq War (1980–88): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million
Sudan (1983 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.9 million
Kinshasa, Congo (1998 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.8 million
Philippines Insurgency (1899–1902): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 220,000
Brazil (1900 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Amazonia (1900–1912): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Portuguese colonies (1900–1925): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 325,000
French colonies (1900–1940): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Japanese War (1904–5): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
German East Africa (1905–7): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Libya (1911–31): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125,000
Balkan Wars (1912–13): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 140,000
Greco–Turkish War (1919–22): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250,000
Spanish Civil War (1936–39): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 365,000
Franco Regime (1939–75): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100,000
Abyssinian Conquest (1935–41): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Finnish War (1939–40): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Greek Civil War (1943–49): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 158,000
Yugoslavia, Tito’s regime (1944–80): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
First Indochina War (1945–54): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Colombia (1946–58): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
India (1947): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Romania (1948–89): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Burma/Myanmar (1948 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 130,000
Algeria (1954–62): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 537,000
Sudan (1955–72): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 500,000
Guatemala (1960–96): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200,000
Indonesia (1965–66): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000
Uganda, Idi Amin’s regime (1972–79): . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Vietnam, postwar Communist regime
(1975 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 430,000
Angola (1975–2002): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 550,000
East Timor, conquest by Indonesia (1975–99): . . . . . 200,000
Lebanon (1975–90): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Cambodian Civil War (1978–91): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 225,000
Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979–2003): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Uganda (1979–86): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Kurdistan (1980s, 1990s): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300,000
Liberia (1989–97): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 150,000
Iraq (1990– ): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 350,000
Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992–95): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175,000
Somalia (1991 et seq.): . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400,000

 

[Truthmatters]

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[PoliticalChic]

I have every right to not believe in things that have NO basis in FACTS.

You like a good inquisition member pretend all high and mighty and claim your a better human being simply becuase you bought a package of myths.


Your actually commiting a sin in your own world veiw

Do you believe in quantum mechanics?

The Big Boom?

The multiverse?

 

[Truthmatters]

why is it christians are always so unchristian

 

[Foxfyre]

I don't think they've been granted asylum. they may have apllied. it's been awhile since I did anything with immigration, but anyone who is here, regardless of whether they came here legally on a temp visa or something or illegally, may make a claim for asylum.

In this case, their only claim is mean old Germany will expose their children to perhaps the finest education in the world, as well as better social welfare than the US, and they can do religion after school. THE HORROR

no.....the Germans' claim was that they were "threatened with jail, fines and the forcible removal of their children from their home. What was their crime? They were homeschooling!"

socialism in Germany doesn't seem so nice now....does it....?

We already have a very dangerous condition in this country when the federal government presumes to dictate to the local school boards what they can and cannot teach on threat of losing federal funding. There should be NO federal funding of education at any level. The Founders never intended for the federal government to have ANY control of the education of the people and they would be amassing their revolutionary army if the federal government had assumed such authority.

Who here is so foolish as to not believe one of the fundamental essentials in establishing totalitarian government is to control the message? And how else can they do that other than by control of the media AND the schools and what is taught to the children? Once they have that, how soon before the First Amendment is also overturned and people can be punished for speaking other than the official message?

The parents referenced in the OP are political refugees in every sense of that concept.

 

[Truthmatters]

Why cant you face NOT everyone is going to be a christian?

why do you ask more of others than you are willing to do yourself?

 

[Truthmatters]

I don't think they've been granted asylum. they may have apllied. it's been awhile since I did anything with immigration, but anyone who is here, regardless of whether they came here legally on a temp visa or something or illegally, may make a claim for asylum.

In this case, their only claim is mean old Germany will expose their children to perhaps the finest education in the world, as well as better social welfare than the US, and they can do religion after school. THE HORROR

no.....the Germans' claim was that they were "threatened with jail, fines and the forcible removal of their children from their home. What was their crime? They were homeschooling!"

socialism in Germany doesn't seem so nice now....does it....?

We already have a very dangerous condition in this country when the federal government presumes to dictate to the local school boards what they can and cannot teach on threat of losing federal funding. There should be NO federal funding of education at any level. The Founders never intended for the federal government to have ANY control of the education of the people and they would be amassing their revolutionary army if the federal government had assumed such authority.

Who here is so foolish as to not believe one of the fundamental essentials in establishing totalitarian government is to control the message? And how else can they do that than by control of the media AND the schools and what is taught to the children? Once they have that, how soon before the First Amendment is also overturned and people can be punished for speaking other than the official message?

The parents referenced in the OP are political refugees in every sense of that concept.

No they are not.


there is no need for then to be allowed in

 

[Foxfyre]

no.....the Germans' claim was that they were "threatened with jail, fines and the forcible removal of their children from their home. What was their crime? They were homeschooling!"

socialism in Germany doesn't seem so nice now....does it....?

We already have a very dangerous condition in this country when the federal government presumes to dictate to the local school boards what they can and cannot teach on threat of losing federal funding. There should be NO federal funding of education at any level. The Founders never intended for the federal government to have ANY control of the education of the people and they would be amassing their revolutionary army if the federal government had assumed such authority.

Who here is so foolish as to not believe one of the fundamental essentials in establishing totalitarian government is to control the message? And how else can they do that than by control of the media AND the schools and what is taught to the children? Once they have that, how soon before the First Amendment is also overturned and people can be punished for speaking other than the official message?

The parents referenced in the OP are political refugees in every sense of that concept.

No they are not.


there is no need for then to be allowed in

Lord, save us from those who think 'is not' is valid rebuttal.

 

[BlindBoo]

yeah.....like jihadism....

it's disgusting how lefties will arrest 10 year olds for playing with a toy gun yet they support madrassas that teach jihadism....

I'm left and I don't support arresting 10 year olds not do I support any religionist.

Uh oh....

"President Obama: ‘I am a Christian By Choice…The Precepts of Jesus Spoke to Me’"
President Obama: ?I am a Christian By Choice?The Precepts of Jesus Spoke to Me? - ABC News



He's gonna be crushed!

Doesn't make him a religionist.

Religionist - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

 

[Wacky Quacky]

I don't think they've been granted asylum. they may have apllied. it's been awhile since I did anything with immigration, but anyone who is here, regardless of whether they came here legally on a temp visa or something or illegally, may make a claim for asylum.

In this case, their only claim is mean old Germany will expose their children to perhaps the finest education in the world, as well as better social welfare than the US, and they can do religion after school. THE HORROR

no.....the Germans' claim was that they were "threatened with jail, fines and the forcible removal of their children from their home. What was their crime? They were homeschooling!"

socialism in Germany doesn't seem so nice now....does it....?

We already have a very dangerous condition in this country when the federal government presumes to dictate to the local school boards what they can and cannot teach on threat of losing federal funding. There should be NO federal funding of education at any level. The Founders never intended for the federal government to have ANY control of the education of the people and they would be amassing their revolutionary army if the federal government had assumed such authority.

Who here is so foolish as to not believe one of the fundamental essentials in establishing totalitarian government is to control the message? And how else can they do that than by control of the media AND the schools and what is taught to the children? Once they have that, how soon before the First Amendment is also overturned and people can be punished for speaking other than the official message?

The parents referenced in the OP are political refugees in every sense of that concept.

The parents are political idiots. Home schooling has been illegal in Germany for almost 300 years. You mean to tell me the parents didn't know what would happen if they attempted to home school? If I sand on my front porch smoking a joint, can I apply for political asylum to Amsterdam when I get arrested?

And this issue goes beyond whether or not you believe in home schooling. Home school may be fine and legal here in America, but not in Germany. We have no right to assume we know what's best for education in Germany, or to give asylum to anyone who doesn't agree with Germany's laws. Germany's laws are not oppressive. The parents can still teach their kids whatever they want after school.

Foreign affairs has to be considered in this case. And insulting Germany and slapping them in the face because one family wants to home school is a really stupid idea.

 

[legaleagle_45]

Lord, save us from those who think 'is not' is valid rebuttal.

legaleagle, putting on Monty Python Argument Clinic Hat:

Yes it is.

 

[boilermaker55]

Home schooling is a very complicated subject to debate.
Is homeschooling credible? Certainly it is when it is done in a correct manner and if it is diligently performed by those in charge.
If it is done in a half-hearten manner the ones that suffer are, of course the children.
Who holds the Homeschooling Association to credentials? Do you feel it is necessary to make them be accountable for the education of their children?
Public educators are held to a standard, so why should not the home educators.

 

[Foxfyre]

no.....the Germans' claim was that they were "threatened with jail, fines and the forcible removal of their children from their home. What was their crime? They were homeschooling!"

socialism in Germany doesn't seem so nice now....does it....?

We already have a very dangerous condition in this country when the federal government presumes to dictate to the local school boards what they can and cannot teach on threat of losing federal funding. There should be NO federal funding of education at any level. The Founders never intended for the federal government to have ANY control of the education of the people and they would be amassing their revolutionary army if the federal government had assumed such authority.

Who here is so foolish as to not believe one of the fundamental essentials in establishing totalitarian government is to control the message? And how else can they do that than by control of the media AND the schools and what is taught to the children? Once they have that, how soon before the First Amendment is also overturned and people can be punished for speaking other than the official message?

The parents referenced in the OP are political refugees in every sense of that concept.

The parents are political idiots. Home schooling has been illegal in Germany for almost 300 years. You mean to tell me the parents didn't know what would happen if they attempted to home school? If I sand on my front porch smoking a joint, can I apply for political asylum to Amsterdam when I get arrested?

And this issue goes beyond whether or not you believe in home schooling. Home school may be fine and legal here in America, but not in Germany. We have no right to assume we know what's best for education in Germany, or to give asylum to anyone who doesn't agree with Germany's laws. Germany's laws are not oppressive. The parents can still teach their kids whatever they want after school.

Foreign affairs has to be considered in this case. And insulting Germany and slapping them in the face because one family wants to home school is a really stupid idea.

Nobody is insulting Germany or slapping them in the face. Perhaps you don't know the purpose of political asylum? It is to provide safe haven for those who face arrest or other severe persecution from oppressive laws. If we in the United States believe in unalienable rights, one of which is the right to educate our children ourselves, then we have to believe it is wrong to deny that right to others also.

Main Entry: political asylum
Part of Speech: n
Definition: refuge given by one country to a citizen of another country to protect that person from arrest or persecution
Dictionary.com

The U.K.'s Guardian's report of this incident:

A US judge has granted *political asylum to a German family who said they had fled the country to avoid persecution for home schooling their children.

In the first reported case of its kind, Tennessee immigration judge Lawrence Burman ruled that the family of seven have a legitimate fear of prosecution for their beliefs. Germany requires parents to enrol their children in school in most cases and has levied fines against those who *educate their children at home.

Christians Uwe Romeike, a piano teacher, and his wife, Hannelore, moved to Morristown, Tennessee, in 2008 after *German authorities fined them thousands of euros for keeping their children out of school and sent police to escort them to classes, Romeike said. They had been holding classes in their home.

Along with thousands of torture victims, political dissidents, members of religious minorities and other persecuted groups who win political asylum every year, the Romeike family will now be free to live and work in the US. The case does not create a legal precedent unless the US government appeals and a higher immigration court hears the case. . . .
US grants home schooling German family political asylum | World news | The Guardian

"Home schoolers in Germany are a particular social group, which is one of the protected grounds under the asylum law," said Mike Connelly, attorney for the Home School Legal Defence Association, who argued the case. "This judge looked at the evidence, he heard their testimony, and he felt that the way Germany is treating home schoolers is wrong. The rights being violated here are basic human rights."

In 2006 the Romeikes pulled their children out of a state school in Bissingen, Germany, in protest of what they deemed an anti-Christian curriculum. . . .
US grants home schooling German family political asylum | World news | The Guardian

We give asylum to people all the time who simply don't want to return to Mexico after they came here illegally. They weren't being oppressed there or denied any fundamental rights that they wanted. They were just more poor there and didn't have government services there that they have here.

What is so terrible about a productive German couple being given asylum who want nothing from us other than the right to remove their children from an anti-Christian environment?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Home schooling is a very complicated subject to debate.
Is homeschooling credible? Certainly it is when it is done in a correct manner and if it is diligently performed by those in charge.
If it is done in a half-hearten manner the ones that suffer are, of course the children.
Who holds the Homeschooling Association to credentials? Do you feel it is necessary to make them be accountable for the education of their children?
Public educators are held to a standard, so why should not the home educators.

You certainly have proven that you are clueless about the subject.

1. Example: "Public educators are held to a standard,.."

"NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — It’s an education bombshell.

Nearly 80 percent of New York City high school graduates need to relearn basic skills before they can enter the City University’s community college system.

The number of kids behind the 8-ball is the highest in years, CBS 2′s Marcia Kramer reported Thursday."
Officials: NYC High School Students Entering CUNY Need Remedial Help « CBS New York



2. "Do you feel it is necessary to make them be accountable for the education of their children?"
Do you comprehend the last two words in your quote?

The Supreme Court has determined that there is not a government right to determine the education of children.