Is going to college beneficial or is that a lie?

[AmazonTania]

Sure...but it's not a realistic option for most people otherwise you'd have much more than 14,000,000 on it.

It's not a realistic option for most people, as most people do not earn the minimum wage or lower than the minimum wage. These wage earners only consist of less than 5% of the entire labour force last time I checked.

The choice is either work for the minimum wage, or don't work and earn the same amount. I wish I had that option.

You should check your connection; they have jobs, those without degrees do not.

Those without degrees do not participate in the labour market as much as those with degrees. With the same low skill, low paying jobs being created in the labour market, a college graduate has the same chances of getting one of these jobs as someone without a college degree.

But they have jobs. Not good ones. They'd really be better off not going to school for the types of jobs they have.

 

[candycorn]

Sure...but it's not a realistic option for most people otherwise you'd have much more than 14,000,000 on it.

It's not a realistic option for most people, as most people do not earn the minimum wage or lower than the minimum wage. These wage earners only consist of less than 5% of the entire labour force last time I checked.

The choice is either work for the minimum wage, or don't work and earn the same amount. I wish I had that option.

You seem to be saying that you DO have that option.

You should check your connection; they have jobs, those without degrees do not.

Those without degrees do not participate in the labour market as much as those with degrees.

Are you actually saying that there are more people in the labor market with degrees than those without? Really?

With the same low skill, low paying jobs being created in the labour market, a college graduate has the same chances of getting one of these jobs as someone without a college degree.

The BLS statistics say otherwise...and say so by a very wide margin year after year. Look at the charts from this thread alone or do your own research.

But they have jobs. Not good ones. They'd really be better off not going to school for the types of jobs they have.

There is more to school than simply acquiring skills to get a job for many. And the statistics bear out that over a lifetime, you will earn more with a degree than without.

 

[AmazonTania]

You seem to be saying that you DO have that option.

I do. But there is no way $13,000 a year would maintain my lifestyle.

Are you actually saying that there are more people in the labor market with degrees than those without? Really?

Um, yes...

Participation rate of individuals with degrees is 75.5%. This just covers bachelors and higher. Individuals with less than a high school diploma have a participation rate of 45.4%. High School graduates have a participation rate of 59%. Now, you can lump these two categories together and it probably still wouldn't equal to a higher participation rate than college graduates.

The BLS statistics say otherwise...and say so by a very wide margin year after year. Look at the charts from this thread alone or do your own research.

I do my own research. For whatever reason you can't seem understand that odds of being employed and physical employment are two different metrics. There are more individuals employed with a college degree than without. That's not debatable. The odds of someone with a college degree being hired for low skill work over a non-college graduate are very slim at best. In some case, the employment does not work in the college grad's favor. People are turn down employment due to reasons regarding 'over-qualification' rather often.

There are more workers with degrees who are employed simply because they participate in the labour force actively. That doesn't determine the odds of actual employment.

There is more to school than simply acquiring skills to get a job for many. And the statistics bear out that over a lifetime, you will earn more with a degree than without.

Actually, there are very little skills to acquire at school. What most employers would like are employees with marketable skills. Instead, what they are getting are graduates with only worthless piece of paper.

 

[rdean]

Posted before from Fox Business the ten most educated states are blue and the ten worse educated are Red except for Nevada.

So every time Republican explain what's wrong with education, I wonder how they have the balls to even comment.

 

[candycorn]

You seem to be saying that you DO have that option.

I do. But there is no way $13,000 a year would maintain my lifestyle.

okay...

Are you actually saying that there are more people in the labor market with degrees than those without? Really?

Um, yes...

Participation rate of individuals with degrees is 75.5%. This just covers bachelors and higher. Individuals with less than a high school diploma have a participation rate of 45.4%. High School graduates have a participation rate of 59%. Now, you can lump these two categories together and it probably still wouldn't equal to a higher participation rate than college graduates.

But your stats do equal nearly 180%...usually percentages stop at 100 when you talking about a group of people.

The BLS statistics say otherwise...and say so by a very wide margin year after year. Look at the charts from this thread alone or do your own research.

I do my own research.

That explains quite a bit.

For whatever reason you can't seem understand that odds of being employed and physical employment are two different metrics. There are more individuals employed with a college degree than without. That's not debatable. The odds of someone with a college degree being hired for low skill work over a non-college graduate are very slim at best. In some case, the employment does not work in the college grad's favor. People are turn down employment due to reasons regarding 'over-qualification' rather often.

There are more workers with degrees who are employed simply because they participate in the labour force actively. That doesn't determine the odds of actual employment.

There are more individuals employed with a college degree than without; solidifies the benefit of a college degree.

There is more to school than simply acquiring skills to get a job for many. And the statistics bear out that over a lifetime, you will earn more with a degree than without.

Actually, there are very little skills to acquire at school.

Yeah, I'll tell our nurses that The Nuke engineers at West Point would probably disagree too.

What most employers would like are employees with marketable skills. Instead, what they are getting are graduates with only worthless piece of paper.

Perhaps in your case...180%...riiiiiiiight

 

[AmazonTania]

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okay...

Being paid not to work sounds like a sweet deal to me. Too bad I make far too much money.

But your stats do equal nearly 180%...usually percentages stop at 100 when you talking about a group of people.

These at educational attainment by the civilian noninstitutuonalised population. Percentages are dropping, not increasing to 100%. The all time high was around the 80's, and that was as early as 1992.

That explains quite a bit.

It explains why one of us understands the subject matter better from what I can see.

There are more individuals employed with a college degree than without; solidifies the benefit of a college degree.

Again, there are more people participating in the labour market with educational attainment than without. It doesn't necessarily mean that its a benefit. Individuals who are in school are generally members who are marginally attached to the labour force. These are people who tend to work on their off session seasons. Also unemployment is generally higher among these types of individuals as they look for jobs during the summer.

Your participation rate among the non educated is lower, so that makes the unemployment rate higher. Also, there are more college graduates who are unemployed than non graduates with some college education or non at all. Non graduates are practically closer to full employment than the workforce with college degrees.

It would really help you if you understood the data you were looking at better.

Yeah, I'll tell our nurses that The Nuke engineers at West Point would probably disagree too.

That's nice. Why don't you tell your new Nurses and Nuke engineers majors that there won't be the same jobs waiting for them when they graduate while you're at it.

Perhaps in your case...180%...riiiiiiiight

In most cases. You have cab drivers, cashier, bartenders, waiters, bouncers, and porn actors with college degrees. If you believe they wouldn't be where they are with it, then you're fooling yourself.

As for me, sure a college degree worked out well for me for the first half of my career. Mostly because I was educated in a UK facility. Didn't mean much once I appeared on American Shores.

 

[kwc57]

You are of course aware that engineering, science, accounting and finance majors all have to take writing and communication courses as part of their basic courses aren't you?

Completing the basic requirements of a core curriculum does not indicate mastery. That basic writing course doesn't mean the engineer can communicate effectively any more than the Art History major who had to take one course in Statistics can make complex calculations.

And yet engineers have to effectively communicate their ideas every single day as part of their job.

 

[rdean]

You are of course aware that engineering, science, accounting and finance majors all have to take writing and communication courses as part of their basic courses aren't you?

Completing the basic requirements of a core curriculum does not indicate mastery. That basic writing course doesn't mean the engineer can communicate effectively any more than the Art History major who had to take one course in Statistics can make complex calculations.

And yet engineers have to effectively communicate their ideas every single day as part of their job.

true

 

[Unkotare]

Too many people come out with degrees in African Studies. Or Gender Studies. And they are totally unqualified for anything more than min wage jobs.
Thus my statement that too many people go to college. The same people could not hack hard subjects.

Who or what determines what constitutes a "hard" subject?

Another snark from a helpless turd with a grossly obese dog. Hey Un-boy....how about OPing something we can rip to shreds?

Well bigmouth? I don't hear any ripping yet.

 

[Unkotare]

You are of course aware that engineering, science, accounting and finance majors all have to take writing and communication courses as part of their basic courses aren't you?

Completing the basic requirements of a core curriculum does not indicate mastery. That basic writing course doesn't mean the engineer can communicate effectively any more than the Art History major who had to take one course in Statistics can make complex calculations.

And yet engineers have to effectively communicate their ideas every single day as part of their job.

And many non-engineers have to make dozens if not hundreds of calculations every day as part of their job (whatever it may be).

 

[kwc57]

Completing the basic requirements of a core curriculum does not indicate mastery. That basic writing course doesn't mean the engineer can communicate effectively any more than the Art History major who had to take one course in Statistics can make complex calculations.

And yet engineers have to effectively communicate their ideas every single day as part of their job.

And many non-engineers have to make dozens if not hundreds of calculations every day as part of their job (whatever it may be).

Actually, the cash registers tell you how much change to give back with that order of fries.

 

[Unkotare]

And yet engineers have to effectively communicate their ideas every single day as part of their job.

And many non-engineers have to make dozens if not hundreds of calculations every day as part of their job (whatever it may be).

Actually, the cash registers tell you how much change to give back with that order of fries.

I don't believe that a college degree of any sort is required for the job you are describing.