Is Drilling equivalent to Welfare?

[midcan5]

And I probably make 2 times what you make... nanny nanny boo boo

Comparing or bragging about what you make online is plain silly.

So called socialistic entitlements are only 4% of each tax dollar, hardly enough to complain about but the complaints are really about other things.

Oxford Analytica - News - Reagan's Legacy

"ANALYSIS: The fiscal legacy of the early Reagan years was large budget deficits resulting from his programme to cut tax rates and bolster defence spending. During his first term, the deficit rose from 2.6% of GDP to a peak of 6.0% in 1983. However, in contrast to the current administration of President George Bush, he was not oblivious to the risk of large fiscal deficits and accepted numerous tax rises after the large tax cut bill in 1981:

The primary thrust of the 1981 tax bill was to reduce the top marginal income tax rate from 70% to 50% and significantly bolster business investment allowances. In the subsequent tax bills, he protected the reduction in marginal tax rates but took back much of the business tax relief."

 

[Taco]

Your analogy is ignorant. We have available the oil we need, yet we should ignore it because YOU don't like drilling. The impact from drilling is so small now as to be meaningless. We had several cat 5 hurricanes in the Gulf, remind me of all the oil spills from those rigs out there? We have nuclear technology, remind how we should not use it cause you don't like it?

Prices are high because of speculation. There is more than enough oil for now and the future. We should use OUR oil so we are not paying the Arabs for theirs.

Can you share where you are getting your oil data from?

Methinks you are full of it.

 

[Taco]

RGS SAID:


Your analogy is ignorant. We have available the oil we need, yet we should ignore it because YOU don't like drilling. The impact from drilling is so small now as to be meaningless. We had several cat 5 hurricanes in the Gulf, remind me of all the oil spills from those rigs out there? We have nuclear technology, remind how we should not use it cause you don't like it?

Prices are high because of speculation. There is more than enough oil for now and the future. We should use OUR oil so we are not paying the Arabs for theirs.


Can you share where you are getting your oil data from?

Methinks you are full of it.

 

[Taco]

People don't understand how constantly living in poverty erodes your ability to think clearly, and destroys your ability to make a good choice. They're all bad choices, nothing you do really can get you ahead and you become defeatist.

I agree. I used to work in a public housing project, running an afterschool program there. During the day, I taught school in the area. What people who come from good areas don't get, is how kids from the projects tend to see the world. It's nothing like how you and I see the world. I used to think of it as 'limited horizons'. They don't know much about what lies beyond. Mom isn't taking them on excursions to see the world. College is a subject seldom talked about at home...They live in and conceptualize a world of very limited choices, where their actions have very limited effect. For them, there is not "better", there's just ... is. And yes, there is also a natural human inclination to stick to the area you grow up in...when people say, 'they should save up and move', they don't know what they are asking these folks. For many of them, their little neighborhood IS ALL THEY EVER HAVE KNOWN, and while they may not have much material wealth, at least they have friends and family near by, and when times are tough that's what people cling to.

 

[sealybobo]

I make a good living, but it comes at a cost. I am away from my wife and kids for 3 weeks at a time while I am driving. However seeing how I live in Michigan (10% unemployment) my current job is really my only good choice.

I live in Michigan too!!!

 

[sealybobo]

Not uh, I make 2 times more than you

My god I thought his other posts were the biggest displays of ignorance....
He just out did himself.....

My point is that Republican voters are either one of two things. Rich, or dumb. He is clearly not rich so......

LOL.

 

[DiamondDave]

My point is that Republican voters are either one of two things. Rich, or dumb. He is clearly not rich so......

LOL.

Where as all liberals have an IQ under 50. The male ones are hung like a mouse, and the females walk around with their unshaven armpits breeding with any biped or quadruped that happens to walk by.

See... anyone can make ignorant generalizations

crawl back under your rock, moron

 

[AllieBaba]

I agree. I used to work in a public housing project, running an afterschool program there. During the day, I taught school in the area. What people who come from good areas don't get, is how kids from the projects tend to see the world. It's nothing like how you and I see the world. I used to think of it as 'limited horizons'. They don't know much about what lies beyond. Mom isn't taking them on excursions to see the world. College is a subject seldom talked about at home...They live in and conceptualize a world of very limited choices, where their actions have very limited effect. For them, there is not "better", there's just ... is. And yes, there is also a natural human inclination to stick to the area you grow up in...when people say, 'they should save up and move', they don't know what they are asking these folks. For many of them, their little neighborhood IS ALL THEY EVER HAVE KNOWN, and while they may not have much material wealth, at least they have friends and family near by, and when times are tough that's what people cling to.

tough times require tough decisions. If you're unwilling to make them, then you are choosing your lifestyle. Which is my point.

 

[AllieBaba]

1. I feel sorry for anyone who gets stuck with you as their caseworker.

2. no wonder you are bitter. you're like a prison guard.

3. I make 2 times what you make.

lol

I'm not bitter at all. I'm not judgmental with people, nor do I hold back assistance when it's available. I want people to do well, but I recognize the barriers and I know how difficult it is. But the people who succeed are the ones who bite the bullet and make grown up decisions, set goals, and follow through.

I've been on welfare, btw. I have all sorts of sympathy for the people I help and I do everything I can for them. But that doesn't change the truth.

 

[Charles_Main]

That's like my 87 year old father complaining about welfare....meanwhile he gets a government check every month.

If he gets SS thats not welfare. It is money he paid in that he is getting back.

 

[AllieBaba]

Well, in some cases. Some people get SSD, which is social security disability...and some get SSI, which is social security for people who never have worked. Some get both.

 

[sealybobo]

Where as all liberals have an IQ under 50. The male ones are hung like a mouse, and the females walk around with their unshaven armpits breeding with any biped or quadruped that happens to walk by.

See... anyone can make ignorant generalizations

crawl back under your rock, moron

Sorry, it is a fact you are either dumb or rich, and I'll prove it.

You may be racist, have a hard on about gays guns or abortion, but the fact is, the GOP doesn't have your economic interests in mind when they make their policies. They're sending jobs overseas so the Corporations can make more money.

Oh, I forgot, you have a socialist job, case worker. So outsourcing doesn't affect you. Ok, but the GOP weakened the dollar and now your $40K a year job doesn't get you as far as it used to.

But having the job that you do, proves that most middle class GOP'ers are not being affected by Bushanomics, so they have the luxury of not realizing what is going on. But at least you are paying more for food and gas like the rest of us. But as long as you keep your job, you have the luxury of remaining ignorant of the facts. I work with people like you. They are making "ok" money, so they can overlook their home went down in value, the dollar isn't what it used to be, things cost more, their 401k's took a dump, etc. They are young so they just "hope" things will get better in time.

Anyways, they use wedge issues to trick you and to put it bluntly, if you are voting because of abortion or gays and not with your economic interests in mind, you are a fool.

Sure when the economy was good (under clinton), you could afford such to be cocky, but the economy is falling apart and for some reason, you refuse to see that it was the GOP that did it.

Let's put it this way. If you were going to retire at 60, make it 70 now. If you will ever retire. Do you get a pension as a case worker? Do they pay for your gas when you drive around? Probably, ignorant bastard.

 

[sealybobo]

Well, in some cases. Some people get SSD, which is social security disability...and some get SSI, which is social security for people who never have worked. Some get both.

Prove some get both.

And back to my other point. Anyways, how is it that I was warning people like you in 2004, 2005, 2006, etc that we were headed in this direction, and people like you were saying, "no, the economy was strong". How were you denying what we were saying and now you are trying to blame us for what we told you was going to happen? And now you guys want to blame the Democrats who took control in 2007?

Mitt Romney in January 2008 was campaigning in Michigan. He said what my GOP friends had been saying to me from 04-07. Michigan was in a one state recession. I said over and over, THAT'S A LIE!!!! And they would use Bush's fudged economic numbers to "prove" me wrong.

I showed them exactly how Bush fudged the numbers, and they still kept saying, "it's Jennifer Granholms (GOVERNOR of Michigan) fault.

Not a month later, the housing market crashed and the entire country started talking about recession.

So I can either see into the future or I was just not swallowing the lies the mainstream media was selling to you.

Anyways, you guys want to have it both ways. Bottom line, your party fucked up the economy and now they are trying to blame the Democrats.

Carter caused the problems Reagan dealt with, HW Bush's recession was just a natural recession because the economy goes up and sometimes goes down. Clinton benefitted from HW's good deeds and was just lucky because of the dot com boom. Then GW walked into Clinton's mess. And the 2nd recession GW got us in was just another natural recession that happens.

If you don't see that this recession is because of Bush's economic policies, you really have no business voting in November, or ever again. Read a book dummy.

 

[Charles_Main]

You cooperation haters do realize that anyone who owns stock, has a 401k, or Mutual fund, or pension gains when Cooperations gain right.

I swear you people act like Cooperations are not owned by the public through stocks and are instead owned by a bunch of guys hiding in back rooms.

For instance over half of Exxon stock is owned by major Mutual funds. which are the back bone of most americans retirement funds.

So I guess most of us are all evil Exxon people.

 

[sealybobo]

You cooperation haters do realize that anyone who owns stock, has a 401k, or Mutual fund, or pension gains when Cooperations gain right.

I swear you people act like Cooperations are not owned by the public through stocks and are instead owned by a bunch of guys hiding in back rooms.

For instance over half of Exxon stock is owned by major Mutual funds. which are the back bone of most americans retirement funds.

So I guess most of us are all evil Exxon people.

You are losing your ass in the stock market. Exxon spent more money last year buying back their stock than they did doing oil exploration.

Just like Bush said we would all be affected by a tax hike on capital gains because we all have 401k's. We don't pay capital gains on 401k's.

Is he dumb or trying to mislead us. I'll ask you the same thing.

And with the way things are, who can afford to buy stocks? We're trying to keep our jobs and our heads above water.

What a joke you are!!!

I also work for a big corporation. I guess that makes me a sellout?

YOu won't be able to post one thought that my GOP friends haven't already thrown at me. Now they all admit, their stocks suck, their homes lost value and the dollar aint worth shit.

They can't deny I told them so because one guy has 2 years worth of emails from me in a folder. 2 years of me telling him this was going to happen. I'm not that smart. Just smarter than you.

 

[Charles_Main]

The only thing clear is your an arrogant ass who thinks he knows alot more than he does.

Go ahead throw around more insults asshole.

 

[sealybobo]

The only thing clear is your an arrogant ass who thinks he knows alot more than he does.

Go ahead throw around more insults asshole.

Well I'm sorry, but when I lose my job because they outsource it to India, I won't be able to tap into my 401K. If I do, they will take 50%.

And meanwhile, CEO's are making record profits. So maybe my 401K would do better if our CEO's weren't gouging the company.

My brother is a VP of a Corporation too. Whenever I argue that it isn't fair he says, "rule number one is to feed the generals first". Then he says, "do you know what rule number two is? Never forget rule number 2".

There is no question that they are greedy. That's why I get mad when people suggest it is us middle class Americans that are the greedy ones.

He doesn't deserve that much money, but we deserve a decent wage. We work our asses off so he can be rich?

Yes, he/she deserves to be rich because he made it up to the CEO level. Good for them. But at what point is too rich.

And you have to admit, if college educated Americans are asked to make $30k a year so the company can make a better profit, then screw stocks and 401K's because we will need our salaries to pay our bills. And we will just go further into debt. And no, the people in debt and losing their homes are not at fault. A small percentage might but it is happening to too many of us for it to be all of their faults. Someone did this to us. GOP and Corporate America!!!

Isn't that what free markets are all about? Why pay an American $50K when they can pay India or Chinese workers $10K a year. So where does that leave us? So screw free markets. There is no such thing. If it weren't for governments, government regulations and labor laws, we wouldn't have a strong middle class.

Bush deregulated business so they could be "free".

If it hasn't happened to you yet, good for you. But it is happening to a lot of people.

You know who else is cocky? My cop friend. He makes a decent wage, has a pension coming and his father in law is rich. So he has the luxury of blaming the democrats for high gas prices and the bad economy. He even knows he is full of shit because when I fact him into a corner, he just says, "i'm just not going to vote this time". And I say, "good, if I can't get you to vote for Obama, the next best thing is if you just stay home".

Can you tell i'm passionate about this?

A guy sent me an email today from the RNC suggesting that the economy got worse ever since the Dems took over Congress. My head almost exploded. It is such propoganda and false information. My other buddy snoped it and it is all bullshit!!!

If you are not rich, start waking up. You have 4 months to snap out of it. Hurry before it is your job that goes away.

It's already too late with the housing market. But the dems might stop companies from going overseas. They might re-regulate things that were regulated in the first place for a reason. Yada. Have a nice weekend.

We are all Americans and we all want the same thing. I just want it for 90% of America, not 50%. 10% will always be lazy. But don't suggest that 50% of America should be poor. That's not America!!!

 

[AllieBaba]

Who are you to say what other people "deserve"?

I don't think you deserve a computer, because I don't think you should spread your silliness all over the internet. Do you think I should have the right to take it from you?

I don't think you deserve to have shoes on your feet while people who live in poverty don't have any. Should I take them from you?

Nobody has the right to determine the worth of others. It doesn't matter if you think others deserve things or not. YOu don't get to make that decision. Period.

 

[AllieBaba]

Prove some get both.

And back to my other point. Anyways, how is it that I was warning people like you in 2004, 2005, 2006, etc that we were headed in this direction, and people like you were saying, "no, the economy was strong". How were you denying what we were saying and now you are trying to blame us for what we told you was going to happen? And now you guys want to blame the Democrats who took control in 2007?

Mitt Romney in January 2008 was campaigning in Michigan. He said what my GOP friends had been saying to me from 04-07. Michigan was in a one state recession. I said over and over, THAT'S A LIE!!!! And they would use Bush's fudged economic numbers to "prove" me wrong.

I showed them exactly how Bush fudged the numbers, and they still kept saying, "it's Jennifer Granholms (GOVERNOR of Michigan) fault.

Not a month later, the housing market crashed and the entire country started talking about recession.

So I can either see into the future or I was just not swallowing the lies the mainstream media was selling to you.

Anyways, you guys want to have it both ways. Bottom line, your party fucked up the economy and now they are trying to blame the Democrats.

Carter caused the problems Reagan dealt with, HW Bush's recession was just a natural recession because the economy goes up and sometimes goes down. Clinton benefitted from HW's good deeds and was just lucky because of the dot com boom. Then GW walked into Clinton's mess. And the 2nd recession GW got us in was just another natural recession that happens.

If you don't see that this recession is because of Bush's economic policies, you really have no business voting in November, or ever again. Read a book dummy.

Er..I work as a case worker. There are instances where people get SSI and disability. They work it out so the total amount comes up to an established total between the two of them.

I can't prove it because the screens I get this information from are secure and client information is secure, but I'm sure you could call a social security office and get specifics.

 

[sealybobo]

Who are you to say what other people "deserve"?

I don't think you deserve a computer, because I don't think you should spread your silliness all over the internet. Do you think I should have the right to take it from you?

I don't think you deserve to have shoes on your feet while people who live in poverty don't have any. Should I take them from you?

Nobody has the right to determine the worth of others. It doesn't matter if you think others deserve things or not. YOu don't get to make that decision. Period.

Yet you GOP'ers have been saying all along that Union Workers on an Assembly Line don't deserve to make $35 an hour? Now that they don't anymore, no one's buying Ford cars? EXACTLY!!!