Is D. Trump right when he talks about the stupid and senseless war in Ukraine?

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US President Donald Trump has repeatedly called the war in Ukraine stupid, senseless, etc.; see quotes below.
… I say, get this stupid war finished. That's my message for both of them (i.e. for V. Putin and V. Zelenskyy).​
see MSN
It’s a senseless war, and we’re going to get it stopped.​
see Fox News

However, D. Trump has never spoken about the goals that V. Putin set when he announced the start of the Russian military operation in Ukraine.

One of these goals set by V. Putin is the denazification of Ukraine.

The overwhelming majority of Western politicians and Western media prefer to ignore this officially declared goal, and instead present their conjectures in the spirit of “V. Putin wants…”.

Although it is very difficult to deny the presence of Nazism in Ukraine. For example, this summer the French newspaper Le Monde published the results of its investigation, which revealed hundreds of Ukrainian servicemen on social networks who used Nazi symbols and Nazi salutes; see the frame from the Le Monde investigation at the beginning of this topic, on the right.

It is important to emphasize that in this case, Nazi symbols and salutes are used not by some marginal individuals in their garages, but are openly used by employees of a Ukrainian state organization, that is, by employees of the Ukrainian army.

So can a fight against such a Ukrainian army be stupid or senseless?​
 
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Sorry, I don't separate Nazism from what Russia was and is.

After all, if the USSR had not signed a peace treaty with Hitler to agree to help them attack and control Poland, WW2 would not have started so quickly, if at all.

Also, Stalin murdered hundreds of millions more people than Hitler.
 
Sorry, I don't separate Nazism from what Russia was and is.
This world is truly mysterious and incomprehensible.
You say that "you don't separate Nazism from what Russia was and is".
But Nazi symbols and salutes are openly used in the army of Ukraine.
 
Sorry, I don't separate Nazism from what Russia was and is.

After all, if the USSR had not signed a peace treaty with Hitler to agree to help them attack and control Poland, WW2 would not have started so quickly, if at all.

Also, Stalin murdered hundreds of millions more people than Hitler.
Thankfully Hitler was too stupid to keep his ties with Russia strong. A true alliance probably would have changed the war.
 

US President Donald Trump has repeatedly called the war in Ukraine stupid, senseless, etc.; see quotes below.


see MSN


see Fox News

However, D. Trump has never spoken about the goals that V. Putin set when he announced the start of the Russian military operation in Ukraine.

One of these goals set by V. Putin is the denazification of Ukraine.

The overwhelming majority of Western politicians and Western media prefer to ignore this officially declared goal, and instead present their conjectures in the spirit of “V. Putin wants…”.

Although it is very difficult to deny the presence of Nazism in Ukraine. For example, this summer the French newspaper Le Monde published the results of its investigation, which revealed hundreds of Ukrainian servicemen on social networks who used Nazi symbols and Nazi salutes; see the frame from the Le Monde investigation at the beginning of this topic, on the right.

It is important to emphasize that in this case, Nazi symbols and salutes are used not by some marginal individuals in their garages, but are openly used by employees of a Ukrainian state organization, that is, by employees of the Ukrainian army.

So can a fight against such a Ukrainian army be stupid or senseless?​
I am not familiar with the notion of a “sensible” war.
 
I am not familiar with the notion of a “sensible” war.
The war that the United Nations - the USA, the Soviet Union, Great Britain, etc. - waged against Nazism in the 20th century made sense.
 
The war that the United Nations - the USA, the Soviet Union, Great Britain, etc. - waged against Nazism in the 20th century made sense.
Wouldn’t have been a war at all except for the insane behavior of Hitler and Hirohito and Mussolini.

None of what they did was sensible.

I agree that fighting back when needed is perfectly sensible.
 
This world is truly mysterious and incomprehensible.
You say that "you don't separate Nazism from what Russia was and is".
But Nazi symbols and salutes are openly used in the army of Ukraine.
So what. Communism, fascism, Marxism, maoism, all birds of the same feather.
 

Ukrainians CAUGHT Showing Off That They’re Neo-Nazis At Football Game!​

Aug 6, 2025


Nazism in Rovno, Ukraine – Nazi salute at the stadium and shouting "Glory to the nation"​

4.08.2025
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US President Donald Trump has repeatedly called the war in Ukraine stupid, senseless, etc.; see quotes below.


see MSN


see Fox News

However, D. Trump has never spoken about the goals that V. Putin set when he announced the start of the Russian military operation in Ukraine.

One of these goals set by V. Putin is the denazification of Ukraine.

The overwhelming majority of Western politicians and Western media prefer to ignore this officially declared goal, and instead present their conjectures in the spirit of “V. Putin wants…”.

Although it is very difficult to deny the presence of Nazism in Ukraine. For example, this summer the French newspaper Le Monde published the results of its investigation, which revealed hundreds of Ukrainian servicemen on social networks who used Nazi symbols and Nazi salutes; see the frame from the Le Monde investigation at the beginning of this topic, on the right.

It is important to emphasize that in this case, Nazi symbols and salutes are used not by some marginal individuals in their garages, but are openly used by employees of a Ukrainian state organization, that is, by employees of the Ukrainian army.

So can a fight against such a Ukrainian army be stupid or senseless?​
As Little Chance as Bees Have Against Bears



Just a continuation of Russia's neighbors' 800-year policy to wipe it off the map.
 
Russia is the biggest Nazi country of today OP.
This world is truly mysterious and incomprehensible.
You say that "Russia is the biggest Nazi country of today".
But Nazi symbols and salutes are openly used in the army of Ukraine.
Please see the first post of this thread.
 
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You say that "Russia is the biggest Nazi country of today".
But Nazi symbols and salutes are openly used in the army of Ukraine.
So what? The Nazi boogeyman has been dead for 80 years. What are you afraid of today? (Please be specific.)
 
As Little Chance as Bees Have Against Bears



Just a continuation of Russia's neighbors' 800-year policy to wipe it off the map.

🇷🇺 RT BS

THE REALITY :
Moscow State University: "In other words, Muscovy did not experience the influence of the Mongols, Muscovy was the " great" Mongol Empire itself."
https://ja-ms.org/bullten/JAMS(49)2019-04.pdf


The origin of Moscovy lies in the bloody degradation of Mongolian slavery...
"semi-Asiatic" menace to "Europe" and "civilization ...
the Muscovites. They are not Slavs; they do not belong to the Indo-Germanic race at all, they are des intrus [intruders], who must be chased back across the Dnieper,

Karl Marx (1856–57/1873)

The Moscow ulus, often romanticized as the natural heir to Kyivan 🇺🇦 Rus, is in fact a political construct born from the Mongol empire . Its very foundations were laid not in defiance of the Mongols, but through collaboration with them. Moscow’s early princes, particularly Ivan Kalita, rose to prominence by serving the Golden Horde—collecting tribute, suppressing rivals, and mastering the art of centralized control. This wasn’t resistance; it was apprenticeship. The autocratic traditions, hierarchical bureaucracy, and militarized expansion that later defined Muscovy and its successors were inherited directly from Mongol governance. The Tsar was not a Slavic evolution of princely rule, but a rebranded Khan.

As Muscovy grew into the Moscow Empire, and later morphed into the Bolshevik empire and the modern Moscow Empire, it retained the same imperial logic: control through conquest, assimilation, and centralized authority. The empire’s identity is inseparable from its vastness. It is not a nation-state in the Western sense, but an imperial organism—feeding off its peripheries to sustain its core. The moment it ceases to expand or dominate, it begins to decay. Just as the Mongol Empire fragmented when its imperial cohesion broke down, so too does Moscow’s empire face existential threat when its imperial grip loosens.

Thus, the Moscow Empire is a Mongol one—not just in origin, but in essence. It can only exist as long as it remains an empire. Strip away its imperial structure, and what remains is not a coherent nation, but a fractured shell. Its survival depends on the continuation of the very system that birthed it.


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Putin is a reincarnation of Alexander Nevsky
WRONG, Putin is a reincarnation of Batu 🇷🇺 🇸🇦 Khan. while tsar Jochi laid the territorial groundwork, it was Batu tsar who effectively created the imperial structure that enabled the rise of the Moscow Empire. He is the true Khan behind its birth.



 
Putin is a reincarnation of Batu 🇷🇺 🇸🇦 Khan.
Litwin
What do you think about the open use of Nazi symbols and salutes in the army of the democratic Ukraine?
Please see the first post of this thread.
 
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