Nazi appearance and Nazi essence

[Litwin]

How did it work out for you, the last two times your country attacked Russia?

It did work very well ,

Moscow empire(s) war record :-

1856 defeated by Britain and France

1905 defeated by Japan

1917 defeated by Germany

1920 defeated by Poland, Finland, Estonia and all Baltic states

1939 defeated by Finland

1969 defeated by China

1989 defeated by Afghanistan

1989 defeated in the Cold War.

1996 defeated by Chechnya

2022 defeated by Ukraine

2024 defeated in Syria

WW2 won USA/Britain , meanwhile Stalin's officers were shot or sent to the Gulags. Millions went to the Gulags, including fanatical ghazi imperialist Solzhenitsyn

Moscow's only victories come from invading smaller countries (under very favorable geopolitical conditions):-

a) Hungary 1956

b) Czechoslovakia 1968

c) Moldova 1992

d) Georgia 2008

 

[Correll]

It did work very well ,

Moscow empire(s) war record :-

1856 defeated by Britain and France

1905 defeated by Japan

1917 defeated by Germany

1920 defeated by Poland, Finland, Estonia and all Baltic states

1939 defeated by Finland

1969 defeated by China

1989 defeated by Afghanistan

1989 defeated in the Cold War.

1996 defeated by Chechnya

2022 defeated by Ukraine

2024 defeated in Syria

WW2 won USA/Britain , meanwhile Stalin's officers were shot or sent to the Gulags. Millions went to the Gulags, including fanatical ghazi imperialist Solzhenitsyn

Moscow's only victories come from invading smaller countries (under very favorable geopolitical conditions):-

a) Hungary 1956

b) Czechoslovakia 1968

c) Moldova 1992

d) Georgia 2008

I admit that it didn't work out well for Russia EITHER.

 

[Litwin]

I admit that it didn't work out well for Russia EITHER.

Two military defeats brought down two Moscow empires (the Romanovs in 1917 and the ussr in 1991). The Moscow empires have always been poor at war; slaves never fight well.

 

[GLASNOST]

Wanting peace is not idiotic.

Not in my book anyway.

Wanting to destroy another nation, one larger and armed with nuclear weapons, is blood thirsty and insanely reckless.

Very much so.

Question: How did it work out for you, the last two times your country attacked Russia?

Ouch!

 

[zaangalewa]

Wanting peace is not idiotic.

Wanting to destroy another nation, one larger and armed with nuclear weapons, is blood thirsty and insanely reckless.

What an absolutely absurd nonsense, US-Russian.

Question: How did it work out for you, the last two times your country attacked Russia?

Apart from the fact that you obviously don't know much about actual history, I would like to ask you a simple counter-question: How do you explain the fact that, during World War I, the US helped the Russian Tsarist Empire and the colonial empires of France and England to destroy the multinational empires of Europe, in particular the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Ottoman Empire, which made Russia incredibly powerful? And how did it come about that you betrayed a large part of Eastern Europe in World War II by supporting the Russian Soviet Empire, whose slave nations they had to become because of “your” help?

 

[Correll]

What an absolutely absurd nonsense, US-Russian.

No, it's not. Wanting peace is not idiotic. Wanting to destroy another nation is bloodthirsty and reckless.

YOur position is morally and pragmatically indefensible.

Apart from the fact that you obviously don't know much about actual history, I would like to ask you a simple counter-question: How do you explain the fact that, during World War I, the US helped the Russian Tsarist Empire and the colonial empires of France and England to destroy the multinational empires of Europe, in particular the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Ottoman Empire, which made Russia incredibly powerful?

Wilson was a lying piece of shit Democrat. Who got re-elected on the slogan, HE KEPT US OUT OF WAR, even as he was planning and working to get us into the war.

And how did it come about that you betrayed a large part of Eastern Europe in World War II by supporting the Russian Soviet Empire, whose slave nations they had to become because of “your” help?

Short sighted stupidity by another lying democrat FDR.

 

[Hafar1014]

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Last summer I published an article entitled “Nazi insignia on Ukrainian soldiers in Kursk region”, but I think that now this issue needs to be considered in a more general way.

It goes without saying that the use of Nazi symbols and Nazi salutes in the Ukrainian army greatly harms Ukraine's reputation among its Western partners.​

Spoiler

For example, this summer Le Monde - one of the most influential newspapers in France - published on its website its own investigation about the 3rd Special Assault Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, created on the basis of the Azov territorial defense units.

French journalists reported that the soldiers of this brigade openly publish their photographs with Nazi symbols and Nazi salutes on social networks (at the beginning of the article, there are two images from a documentary film shot by the journalists).

This documentary is also available on YouTube, but the editorial staff of Le Monde has prohibited the embedding of this documentary in blogs and forums, so those interested can watch it on the official channel of this newspaper by going to YouTube.
​

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The French write on their website:

Nazi salutes… SS emblems… Le Monde’s video investigations unit has found hundreds of cases of Ukrainian soldiers posting such things on social media. Of the 350 soldiers identified, 200 are from the 3rd Assault Brigade, one of the most well-known units in the Ukrainian army.

French journalists were particularly outraged by the Ukrainian military's use of a mirror-image emblem of the SS division Das Reich (see below the left image from the documentary), since it was soldiers from this division who, in June 1944, murdered 643 civilians in the French village of Oradour-sur-Glane, which was the largest massacre of civilians in France during World War II.
​

​

The general conclusion of the above material in Le Monde was:

The use of Nazi elements in the armed forces of post-Maidan Ukraine has a long history; see below pictures and video taken by reporters from the German state television channel ZDF back in 2014.​

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Why, after so many years, despite the laws passed in Ukraine banning Nazi symbols, do these symbols and these salutes continue to be openly used in the Ukrainian army to this day?

To answer this question, in my opinion, we need to remember the philosophical principle of the unity of essence and form, which states that essence plays a decisive, leading role in relation to form.

The current Ukrainian state carefully hides its Nazi essence behind slogans about European values, but this carefully hidden Nazi essence has come out, is coming out and will come out to the surface, in particular, manifesting itself in the open use of Nazi symbols and Nazi salutes in such a Ukrainian state structure as the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The current Ukrainian state simply cannot exist any other way.​

Source

 

[Hafar1014]

​

Last summer I published an article entitled “Nazi insignia on Ukrainian soldiers in Kursk region”, but I think that now this issue needs to be considered in a more general way.

It goes without saying that the use of Nazi symbols and Nazi salutes in the Ukrainian army greatly harms Ukraine's reputation among its Western partners.​

Spoiler

For example, this summer Le Monde - one of the most influential newspapers in France - published on its website its own investigation about the 3rd Special Assault Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, created on the basis of the Azov territorial defense units.

French journalists reported that the soldiers of this brigade openly publish their photographs with Nazi symbols and Nazi salutes on social networks (at the beginning of the article, there are two images from a documentary film shot by the journalists).

This documentary is also available on YouTube, but the editorial staff of Le Monde has prohibited the embedding of this documentary in blogs and forums, so those interested can watch it on the official channel of this newspaper by going to YouTube.
​

​

The French write on their website:

Nazi salutes… SS emblems… Le Monde’s video investigations unit has found hundreds of cases of Ukrainian soldiers posting such things on social media. Of the 350 soldiers identified, 200 are from the 3rd Assault Brigade, one of the most well-known units in the Ukrainian army.

French journalists were particularly outraged by the Ukrainian military's use of a mirror-image emblem of the SS division Das Reich (see below the left image from the documentary), since it was soldiers from this division who, in June 1944, murdered 643 civilians in the French village of Oradour-sur-Glane, which was the largest massacre of civilians in France during World War II.
​

​

The general conclusion of the above material in Le Monde was:

The use of Nazi elements in the armed forces of post-Maidan Ukraine has a long history; see below pictures and video taken by reporters from the German state television channel ZDF back in 2014.​

​

Why, after so many years, despite the laws passed in Ukraine banning Nazi symbols, do these symbols and these salutes continue to be openly used in the Ukrainian army to this day?

To answer this question, in my opinion, we need to remember the philosophical principle of the unity of essence and form, which states that essence plays a decisive, leading role in relation to form.

The current Ukrainian state carefully hides its Nazi essence behind slogans about European values, but this carefully hidden Nazi essence has come out, is coming out and will come out to the surface, in particular, manifesting itself in the open use of Nazi symbols and Nazi salutes in such a Ukrainian state structure as the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The current Ukrainian state simply cannot exist any other way.​

Source

Photoshopted Russian proaganda

 

[zaangalewa]

No, it's not. Wanting peace is not idiotic.

Du bist idiotisch, Russe oder US-Russe. Selbst keinen Frieden zu wollen - ich nehme an Du sprichst von dem Krieg in der Ukraine den einzig und allein Putin's Russland begann und den seit vier Jahren auch nur einzig und allein Russland beenden kann - aber anderen zu unterschieben sie wollten keinen "Frieden" - was auch immer du darunter überhaupt verstehen willst. Und übrigens: Ich bin kein Kollektiv sondern ein Individuum. Du auch. Nur dadurch dass Du an mir vorbeiredest und der Wirklichkeit vorbeiredest wird sich auch nichts ändern.
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You are being unreasonable, Russian or US Russian. Not wanting peace yourself – I assume you are referring to the war in Ukraine, which was started solely by Putin's Russia and which, for four years now, only Russia has been able to end – but accusing others of not wanting “peace” – whatever you mean by that. And by the way: I am not a collective but an individual. So are you. Just because you talk past me and talk past reality doesn't mean anything will change.

Wanting to destroy another nation is bloodthirsty and reckless.

YOur position is morally and pragmatically indefensible.


Wilson was a lying piece of shit Democrat. Who got re-elected on the slogan, HE KEPT US OUT OF WAR, even as he was planning and working to get us into the war.






Short sighted stupidity by another lying democrat FDR.

I'm afraid you have no idea what you're talking about when you try to discuss World War I and World War II and/or the Nazi regime. These seem to be nothing more than empty phrases to you, which you fill with your absurd fantasies.

 

[Correll]

Du bist idiotisch, Russe oder US-Russe. Selbst keinen Frieden zu wollen - ich nehme an Du sprichst von dem Krieg in der Ukraine den einzig und allein Putin's Russland begann und den seit vier Jahren auch nur einzig und allein Russland beenden kann - aber anderen zu unterschieben sie wollten keinen "Frieden" - was auch immer du darunter überhaupt verstehen willst. Und übrigens: Ich bin kein Kollektiv sondern ein Individuum. Du auch. Nur dadurch dass Du an mir vorbeiredest und der Wirklichkeit vorbeiredest wird sich auch nichts ändern.
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You are being unreasonable, Russian or US Russian. Not wanting peace yourself – I assume you are referring to the war in Ukraine, which was started solely by Putin's Russia and which, for four years now, only Russia has been able to end – but accusing others of not wanting “peace” – whatever you mean by that. And by the way: I am not a collective but an individual. So are you. Just because you talk past me and talk past reality doesn't mean anything will change.



I'm afraid you have no idea what you're talking about when you try to discuss World War I and World War II and/or the Nazi regime. These seem to be nothing more than empty phrases to you, which you fill with your absurd fantasies.

1. NOthing in your response to my post on current war, addressed anything I said, so....yeah.


2. You asked me questions about wwi and wwii. I gave you my answers. My blaming the Presidents in charge of the US at the two times, for the policy failures of the US government....

that is hardly an absurd fantasy...

 

[zaangalewa]

1. NOthing in your response to my post on current war, addressed anything I said, so....yeah.

Your nowhere has no coordinates.

2. You asked me questions about wwi and wwii. I gave you my answers.

I did ask you what? You gave answers?

My blaming the Presidents in charge of the US at the two times, for the policy failures of the US government....

Which is both right and wrong. Before World War I, for example, the new British secret service manipulated approved facts that were nothing more than pure fantasy. And the US secret service they created supported them in this – even disregarding the rights of US citizens. The US president knew nothing about this – he was a victim of these manipulations and acted on false information.

that is hardly an absurd fantasy...

The world is complex – yet the part of that complexity that you don't know and/or don't (want to) understand is perhaps much less fantastical than you might imagine.

 

[Correll]

Your nowhere has no coordinates.

That makes no sense. Perhaps a translation error?

I did ask you what? You gave answers?

Yes. NOt sure why you are pretending to be too stupid to understand that.

Which is both right and wrong. Before World War I, for example, the new British secret service manipulated approved facts that were nothing more than pure fantasy. And the US secret service they created supported them in this – even disregarding the rights of US citizens. The US president knew nothing about this – he was a victim of these manipulations and acted on false information.

The brits clearly had a policy of getting US into the war. Some elements of the US government agreed.

That they abused their power, and lied to the American people about what was going on, was wrong.

The world is complex – yet the part of that complexity that you don't know and/or don't (want to) understand is perhaps much less fantastical than you might imagine.

Wilson lied, getting re-elected based on that lie, while planning to do the opposite of his campaign implication, ie get the US into the war.

That is a simple overview of the issue. I know that there is a lot of history buried under that, but the details really don't change that point.

And "fantastical"? That a politician lied to the people to get elected, is hardly "fantastical".

 

[Litwin]

Not in my book anyway.

Very much so.

Ouch!

 

[Dissident]

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Streets in "democratic" Ukraine are named after him

On the website of the Ukrainian state news agency Ukrinform, I have seen an article dedicated to Petro Dyachenko, after whom streets in a number of cities in post-Maidan Ukraine are named.​

For example, in the city of Zolotonosha in the Cherkasy region, a street has been renamed after Dyachenko, although this street previously bore the name of Oleg Koshevoy, a 16-year-old anti-fascist executed by the Germans in Ukraine in January 1943 (see photo on the left).

Among other things, the Ukrinform website says the following about Petro Dyachenko (see photo on the right):​

Полковник Армії УНР (Дяченко) співпрацював … із німцями, зокрема з їхньою Службою безпеки.
… (вiн) під псевдо “Квітка” залучився до організації Українського легіону самооборони (31-й батальйон СД), у червні (1944 р.) став заступником командира підрозділу, а в серпні очолив легіон.​

Colonel of the UPR Army (Dyachenko) collaborated... with the Germans, including their Security Service.
... (he) under the pseudonym "Kvitka" took part in the organization of the Ukrainian Self-Defense Legion (31st SD Battalion); in June (1944) he became deputy commander of the unit, and in August he headed the legion.

Since the Ukrainians created all sorts of "kurens," "druzhinas," "legions," and the like throughout the Great Patriotic War and it is very difficult to distinguish between these military units, I have searched for information about the aforementioned legion on the Internet and on the official website of the Polish government gov.pl. in the section "Institute of National Memory," I found an article of over 30 pages about this legion.​

In the above article I read the following:

Ukraiński Legion Samoobrony (ULS) został utworzony w drugiej połowie 1943 r. w rejonie Łucka. Powstał w wyniku porozumienia pomiędzy funkcjonariuszami SD (Sicherheitsdienst) Okręgu Wołyń-Podole Komisariatu Rzeszy „Ukraina” a łuckim Prowidem OUN-M (Organizacji Ukraińskich Nacjonalistów frakcja melnykowska).​

The Ukrainian Self-Defense Legion (ULS) was formed in the Lutsk region in the second half of 1943. It was created as a result of an agreement between SD (SS security service) officers of the Volyn-Podolsk district of the Reichskommissariat "Ukraine" and the leadership of the Lutsk district of the OUN-M (Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, Melnyk faction).

Among the "exploits" of Pyotr Dyachenko was his participation in the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising, which took place from early August to early October 1944. See below another quote from the article from the Polish government website:​

Utworzono także grupę bojową przeznaczoną do walki w Warszawie. Na czele sformowanej grupy stanął płk Diaczenko... Według danych niemieckich w walkach z powstańcami zginęło dziesięciu legionistów.​

Also (in August 1944), a special group was formed to participate in the fighting in Warsaw. The group was led by Colonel Dyachenko... According to German data, ten legionnaires were killed in battles with the insurgents.

And at the end of the article it says the following:​

… legioniści dopuścili się wielu zbrodni wojennych na ludności cywilnej w 1944 r.: m|.in. w Smoligowie, Chłaniowie i Szar-bii. Stali się narzędziem terroru w rękach niemieckich. Byli formacją należącą do SD, organizacji uznanej w Norymberdze za przestępczą.​

… the legionnaires committed numerous war crimes against civilians in 1944, including in Smoligów, Chlaniów, and Sarbia. They became a weapon of terror in the hands of the Germans. And they were a unit belonging to the SD, an organization deemed criminal by the Nuremberg Tribunal.

After the Nazis retreated from Ukraine, Dyachenko went with them to Germany, where at the end of World War II he surrendered to the Americans and subsequently emigrated to the United States. He died in the United States in 1965.​

 

[Deadstick]

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Streets in "democratic" Ukraine are named after him

On the website of the Ukrainian state news agency Ukrinform, I have seen an article dedicated to Petro Dyachenko, after whom streets in a number of cities in post-Maidan Ukraine are named.​

For example, in the city of Zolotonosha in the Cherkasy region, a street has been renamed after Dyachenko, although this street previously bore the name of Oleg Koshevoy, a 16-year-old anti-fascist executed by the Germans in Ukraine in January 1943 (see photo on the left).

Among other things, the Ukrinform website says the following about Petro Dyachenko (see photo on the right):

Colonel of the UPR Army (Dyachenko) collaborated... with the Germans, including their Security Service.
... (he) under the pseudonym "Kvitka" took part in the organization of the Ukrainian Self-Defense Legion (31st SD Battalion); in June (1944) he became deputy commander of the unit, and in August he headed the legion.

Since the Ukrainians created all sorts of "kurens," "druzhinas," "legions," and the like throughout the Great Patriotic War and it is very difficult to distinguish between these military units, I have searched for information about the aforementioned legion on the Internet and on the official website of the Polish government gov.pl. in the section "Institute of National Memory," I found an article of over 30 pages about this legion.​

In the above article I read the following:

The Ukrainian Self-Defense Legion (ULS) was formed in the Lutsk region in the second half of 1943. It was created as a result of an agreement between SD (SS security service) officers of the Volyn-Podolsk district of the Reichskommissariat "Ukraine" and the leadership of the Lutsk district of the OUN-M (Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, Melnyk faction).

Among the "exploits" of Pyotr Dyachenko was his participation in the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising, which took place from early August to early October 1944. See below another quote from the article from the Polish government website:

Also (in August 1944), a special group was formed to participate in the fighting in Warsaw. The group was led by Colonel Dyachenko... According to German data, ten legionnaires were killed in battles with the insurgents.

And at the end of the article it says the following:

… the legionnaires committed numerous war crimes against civilians in 1944, including in Smoligów, Chlaniów, and Sarbia. They became a weapon of terror in the hands of the Germans. And they were a unit belonging to the SD, an organization deemed criminal by the Nuremberg Tribunal.

After the Nazis retreated from Ukraine, Dyachenko went with them to Germany, where at the end of World War II he surrendered to the Americans and subsequently emigrated to the United States. He died in the United States in 1965.​

The SOB should have been deported to the Soviet Union instead of being protected, the SD.. Sicherheitsdienst security service of the SS.

 

[Deadstick]

It did work very well ,

Moscow empire(s) war record :-

1856 defeated by Britain and France

1905 defeated by Japan

1917 defeated by Germany

1920 defeated by Poland, Finland, Estonia and all Baltic states

1939 defeated by Finland

1969 defeated by China

1989 defeated by Afghanistan

1989 defeated in the Cold War.

1996 defeated by Chechnya

2022 defeated by Ukraine

2024 defeated in Syria

WW2 won USA/Britain , meanwhile Stalin's officers were shot or sent to the Gulags. Millions went to the Gulags, including fanatical ghazi imperialist Solzhenitsyn

Moscow's only victories come from invading smaller countries (under very favorable geopolitical conditions):-

a) Hungary 1956

b) Czechoslovakia 1968

c) Moldova 1992

d) Georgia 2008

What's the weather like on fantasy Island Gruppenfeurer?

 

[BothWings]

Still alive and well in Ukraine.

When the Wehrmacht marched through Ukraine during Barbarossa, millions of Ukrainians, with the horrors of the Holomodor still fresh in their national conscience, joined forces with them...Their progeny are today's Uke Nazis.

Ukrainians were the second most prevalent guardsman in the death camps after Germans themselves.

 

[Deadstick]

Ukrainians were the second most prevalent guardsman in the death camps after Germans themselves.

Indeed in Sobibor and Treblinka, they were also deployed to put the Warsaw Ghetto uprising down alongwith regular SS among others including that child rapist nutter Dirlwanger.

 

[GLASNOST]

Indeed in Sobibor and Treblinka, they were also deployed to put the Warsaw Ghetto uprising down alongwith regular SS among others including that child rapist nutter Dirlwanger.
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Bloody hell!

 

[Kruska]

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Streets in "democratic" Ukraine are named after him

On the website of the Ukrainian state news agency Ukrinform, I have seen an article dedicated to Petro Dyachenko, after whom streets in a number of cities in post-Maidan Ukraine are named.​

For example, in the city of Zolotonosha in the Cherkasy region, a street has been renamed after Dyachenko, although this street previously bore the name of Oleg Koshevoy, a 16-year-old anti-fascist executed by the Germans in Ukraine in January 1943 (see photo on the left).

Among other things, the Ukrinform website says the following about Petro Dyachenko (see photo on the right):

Colonel of the UPR Army (Dyachenko) collaborated... with the Germans, including their Security Service.
... (he) under the pseudonym "Kvitka" took part in the organization of the Ukrainian Self-Defense Legion (31st SD Battalion); in June (1944) he became deputy commander of the unit, and in August he headed the legion.

Since the Ukrainians created all sorts of "kurens," "druzhinas," "legions," and the like throughout the Great Patriotic War and it is very difficult to distinguish between these military units, I have searched for information about the aforementioned legion on the Internet and on the official website of the Polish government gov.pl. in the section "Institute of National Memory," I found an article of over 30 pages about this legion.​

In the above article I read the following:

The Ukrainian Self-Defense Legion (ULS) was formed in the Lutsk region in the second half of 1943. It was created as a result of an agreement between SD (SS security service) officers of the Volyn-Podolsk district of the Reichskommissariat "Ukraine" and the leadership of the Lutsk district of the OUN-M (Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, Melnyk faction).

Among the "exploits" of Pyotr Dyachenko was his participation in the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising, which took place from early August to early October 1944. See below another quote from the article from the Polish government website:

Also (in August 1944), a special group was formed to participate in the fighting in Warsaw. The group was led by Colonel Dyachenko... According to German data, ten legionnaires were killed in battles with the insurgents.

And at the end of the article it says the following:

… the legionnaires committed numerous war crimes against civilians in 1944, including in Smoligów, Chlaniów, and Sarbia. They became a weapon of terror in the hands of the Germans. And they were a unit belonging to the SD, an organization deemed criminal by the Nuremberg Tribunal.

After the Nazis retreated from Ukraine, Dyachenko went with them to Germany, where at the end of World War II he surrendered to the Americans and subsequently emigrated to the United States. He died in the United States in 1965.​

The arrow points at a person wearing a Wehrmacht Uniform, so, whats the issue?
BTW - the SD in this regard stands for Self Defense - and not Sicherheits Dienst "SD".