Is Braggs stretching it with a felony?

[Faun]

When was Trump charged with that? When was he convicted of that?

Another fascist scumbag.

Show me where the law in question requires Trump to have been charged and convicted of that, Dumbfuck..

 

[dudmuck]

Ok, so you admit Bragg has no jurisdiction over Federal crimes.

new york courts havent ever upheld or rejected the interpretation of the felony statue of falsifying business records, whether it applies to both federal & state crimes or just state crimes. The federal law that was violated could perhaps also violate a new york state election law.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Wrong.
A new suit, teeth whitening, new shoes, trips to the beauty parlor and tanning salon, or hush money payments, all can be argued as improving a canduidate's "public image".
The FEC commissioners both said that those expenses are NOT campaign related.
That's just the way the LAW is written.

Examples of campaign expenses are:
Buying TV time for commercials
Buying newspaper ads
Buying campaign flyers
Paying for campaign staff

The LAW is fairly simple.

And paying a Porn Star as an "in kind" contribution to benefit the campaign just days before the election.

We know this because that is what Cohen was convicted of.

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[kyzr]

Then why was michael cohen convicted of campaign finance violations for making the payments.

1. Was Cohen convicted in a trial or did he make a plea deal? He got nailed for tax evasion, not Federal campaign violations.
2. What Cohen did or didn't do has zero to do with Trump.

 

[WorldWatcher]

WTF is an "in-kind" contribution? Bragg doesn't even know that!! Your good!!

52 U.S. Code § 30116 - Limitations on contributions and expenditures

www.law.cornell.edu

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[kyzr]

And paying a Porn Star as an "in kind" contribution to benefit the campaign just days before the election.
We know this because that is what Cohen was convicted of.
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Trump can pay whoever he wants, whatever he wants to, with his own money. Spending your own money is "free speech".
I already explained that campaign expenses are directly related to the campaign, like campaign staff and political advertising.

 

[WorldWatcher]

1. Was Cohen convicted in a trial or did he make a plea deal? He got nailed for tax evasion, not Federal campaign violations.

Cohen was convicted of the campaign violation. It's literally one of the charges to which he pled guilty.

2. What Cohen did or didn't do has zero to do with Trump.

Correct...

... Except that Trump is charged under NY State business record law for falsification of records for covering up Cohen's crime.

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[Marener]

Once again you leftward fascists are trying to transfer a crime by someone else to Trump without him ever being charged with said crime.

We aren’t. You’re just too stupid to understand the law.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Trump can pay whoever he wants, whatever he wants to, with his own money. Spending your own money is "free speech".
I already explained that campaign expenses are directly related to the campaign, like campaign staff and political advertising.

Correct. Trump isn't being charged because he spent his own money. If he had done that he wouldn't be in legal jeopardy. The charge is that he used Trump Organization money (a seperate business entity from his personal accounts) and that the money was paid to Cohen to aid in concealing his crimes. It is the falsification of business records that is his problem.

Funny thing is, if he had arranged the NDA and paid the hush money from his personal accounts there wouldn't be a legal issue.

I already explained that campaign expenses are directly related to the campaign, like campaign staff and political advertising.

And, since Cohen was convicted, paying a porn star hush money just days before the election to benefit the campaign.

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[Marener]

I already explained that campaign expenses are directly related to the campaign, like campaign staff and political advertising.

Paying off someone you slept with is a campaign expense if you’re doing it solely to protect your campaign.

 

[Lisa558]

Nazi Piglosi, is that you! Yes, Trump is INNOCENT since he hasn’t even been charged, much less convicted.
Leftatrd fascists are out in force today.

The fact that the leftists are grasping at straws, having to explain this nebulous and convoluted indictment about how an expired misdemeanor can be elevated to a felony if the DA is able to prove that it’s to cover up a federal crime of which he was not even prosecuted, but someone else who is a convicted perjurer was and is now changing is story, etc., etc., etc., just shows how desperate the DA is to find something…..anything…..to “get him.”

And all this while Hillary paid a mere fine for a heinous crime of paying a law firm to fabricate a hoax to make Trump appear guilty of treason.

The double standards here are beyond belief.

 

[kyzr]

52 U.S. Code § 30116 - Limitations on contributions and expenditures

www.law.cornell.edu

View attachment 775196

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Cohen did not contribute to the Trump campaign, he paid hush money with his own money, and then paid himself back with Trump's own money.
Not campaign related, no campaign funds used.

 

[kyzr]

Paying off someone you slept with is a campaign expense if you’re doing it solely to protect your campaign.

No it is NOT. The FEC commissioners already explained that.

 

[Lisa558]

Correct. Trump isn't being charged because he spent his own money. If he had done that he wouldn't be in legal jeopardy. The charge is that he used Trump Organization money (a seperate business entity from his personal accounts) and that the money was paid to Cohen to aid in concealing his crimes. It is the falsification of business records that is his problem.

But what is the crime? Paying off the bimbo who had sex willingly? Now if he were like Clinton and paid his sexual assault victim nearly a million dollars to drop the matter, THAT might be more concerning.

Funny thing is, if he had arranged the NDA and paid the hush money from his personal accounts there wouldn't be a legal issue.

So it’s all a matter of taking money from the company he owns (profits are still his) to pay a legal debt instead of from a personal account. Big whoop. You people are really stretching to suppress the vote of tens of millions of people.

And, since Cohen was convicted, paying a porn star hush money just days before the election to benefit the campaign.

Still pales in comparison to the crap the Dems pulled. This is no more than a political assasination.

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[Marener]

No it is NOT. The FEC commissioners already explained that.

It is. The career lawyers explained it painstakingly with thorough citations of law.

A Trump appointee claims it isn’t, but that surprises no one that his hand picked cronies would protect him.

 

[Lisa558]

Cohen was convicted of the campaign violation. It's literally one of the charges to which he pled guilty.

Then he wasn’t convicted. He looked at the various options available and decided that pleading guilty was his best bet.

Correct...

... Except that Trump is charged under NY State business record law for falsification of records for covering up Cohen's crime.

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A case brought by a biased DA that will derail the presidential ambitions of the OPPOSING side should be clear-cut….not this vague gobbely-gook. All this time for Bragg to “get his target,” as promised in his campaign, and this is the best he can come up with?

 

[kyzr]

Cohen was convicted of the campaign violation. It's literally one of the charges to which he plead guilty.

Correct...
... Except that Trump is charged under NY State business record law for falsification of records for covering up Cohen's crime.

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1. Cohen did not go to trial, he accepted a plea deal. He wasn't "convicted" of anything.

Michael Cohen Pleads Guilty In Manhattan Federal Court To Eight Counts, Including Criminal Tax Evasion And Campaign Finance Violations

www.justice.gov

2. Trump's hands are clean, that's why he has lawyers and accountants, he had no "intent" to do anything illegal. Bragg charged Trump with misdemeanors, meh. Bragg didn't specify the felony yet.

 

[Lisa558]

It is. The career lawyers explained it painstakingly with thorough citations of law.

A Trump appointee claims it isn’t, but that surprises no one that his hand picked cronies would protect him.

And it surprises no one that an anti-Trump DA would allow criminals to roam the streets, stabbing and assaulting people, while he figures out some convoluted charge to prevent the Regime’s #1 threat to the presidency not be voted on by the people.

 

[kyzr]

It is. The career lawyers explained it painstakingly with thorough citations of law.
A Trump appointee claims it isn’t, but that surprises no one that his hand picked cronies would protect him.

Two democrats said it was a violation, 4 non-democrats said it wasn't.
I have not seen ANY democrats from the FEC explain why they think campaign finance law was broken.

 

[Marener]

And it surprises no one that an anti-Trump DA would allow criminals to roam the streets, stabbing and assaulting people, while he figures out some convoluted charge to prevent the Regime’s #1 threat to the presidency not be voted on by the people.

Okay, but that really doesn’t address the issue.