Is Biden Haunted by Vietnam? Should He Be?

[Sinajuavi]

I would say the one that should be haunted isn't Biden, Trump, nor Obama but rather George W Bush.

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Obama screwed up too, but the worst has to be Bush who created the mess... although Trump's Taliban deal last year set up the current debacle.

If Trump hadn't released 5000 Taliban fighters, they'd not have taken over so quickly.

 

[Sinajuavi]

If the Chinese want to piss away trillions in Afghanistan... let them.

There are quite a few empires who've run aground in Afghanistan. It's like quicksand.

The Chinese are sticking their tentacles into Africa also, and some Africans are making the mistake of trusting them, thinking they're a good alternative to the European former colonialists. Big mistake

 

[Concerned American]

China built a railroad and some power plants in Afghanistan a few years ago. They are neighbors ad have cultural ties.



China built a railroad and some power plants in Afghanistan a few years ago. They are neighbors ad have cultural ties.
What are you worried about exactly?

Ever hear of Tibet? Are you morons drinking tainted water or what?

 

[JoeB131]

Ever hear of Tibet? Are you morons drinking tainted water or what?

Tibet was never recognized as an independent country. The Nationalists and the Qing Dynasty also claimed that Tibet was part of China, and the world recognized it.

 

[DudleySmith]

The two aren't comparable.

 

[DudleySmith]

Pakistan is a nuclear state...bullies don't pick on people who they know can punch them in the face.

lol India alone would turn Pakistan into a glass wasteland if it fired off even one missile. Why do people think these feral savages are so powerful? Iraq had the fourth largest military on the planet, and a modern one to boot; they only lasted hours before their offensive capabilities were toast. Pakistan isn't even a real country; it's a confederation of filthy little bandit tribes who hate each other, just like most Islamic 'countries'.

 

[TheParser]

That dear old man is NOT "haunted" by anything except the fear that he may not make it mentally until 2024.

With this Afghanistan debacle, all the woke Dems are now transferring their loyalty to the Vice President who they realize may be taking over at any second.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

lol India alone would turn Pakistan into a glass wasteland if it fired off even one missile. Why do people think these feral savages are so powerful? Iraq had the fourth largest military on the planet, and a modern one to boot; they only lasted hours before their offensive capabilities were toast. Pakistan isn't even a real country; it's a confederation of filthy little bandit tribes who hate each other, just like most Islamic 'countries'.

Well it only takes one nuke on D.C. or NYC to make everybody look like very big dickheads for the rest of time. Would you wanna be that guy?

 

[Fueri]

Vietnam? That was 4, 5 days ago!

 

[DudleySmith]

Well it only takes one nuke on D.C. or NYC to make everybody look like very big dickheads for the rest of time. Would you wanna be that guy?

well, good luck with that; with these gangsters, they always rat each other out at the drop of a hat, especially when rewards are offered, so I don't lay awake nights worrying about it or how pissed off Islamo-vermin get.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

well, good luck with that; with these gangsters, they always rat each other out at the drop of a hat, especially when rewards are offered, so I don't lay awake nights worrying about it or how pissed off Islamo-vermin get.

Yeah but you sure lap up that US gov propaganda. One man's fool is still a fool.

 

[DudleySmith]

Yeah but you sure lap up that US gov propaganda. One man's fool is still a fool.

Yes you're mentally ill. We don't mind; it's not our fault.

 

[Turtlesoup]

If the Chinese want to piss away trillions in Afghanistan... let them.

Piss away? They will be making a Trillion off them because of JOE...

 

[wamose]

Biden is a good example of what happens to a mediocre mind when they fall in with a bad crowd.

 

[gtopa1]

Is Biden Haunted by Vietnam? Should He Be?
The president said this withdrawal will be nothing like what happened in 1975,
but there are some striking parallels.​

9 Jul 2021 ~~ By Michael Hirsch
When U.S. President Joe Biden was asked at a news conference on Thursday whether there was any comparison between his withdrawal from Afghanistan and the United States’ humiliating retreat from Vietnam a half century ago, his response was unequivocal: “None whatsoever. Zero.”
he president went on to say that in the early 1970s, as the Vietnam War was grinding to a close, North Vietnam’s forces were far more powerful than the Taliban are today. “They’re not remotely comparable in terms of capability,” he said. “There’s going to be no circumstance when you’re going to see people being lifted off the roof of an embassy of the United States from Afghanistan.”
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Biden is well-steeped in the history of the Vietnam War. As a young senator in 1975, he voted against any aid for the collapsing South Vietnamese government. But in contrast to the swift unraveling of South Vietnam, many experts expect a drawn-out civil war in Afghanistan, one that will likely not be conclusive for at least several years. Even if the Taliban do effectively take over the country, the president is no doubt hoping that by then, the war will have retreated from the headlines and he will have won reelection in 2024.
Still, has Biden been too quick to dismiss the comparison to Vietnam? Despite being better equipped than the Taliban, the demoralized Afghan national forces have given up large tracts of the country in the nearly three months since Biden announced his withdrawal decision. And if the bloodshed in Afghanistan intensifies after the final U.S. withdrawal on Aug. 31—as nearly every observer expects—“Biden’s Vietnam” could easily become a catchphrase ahead of 2024 or even during the 2022 midterms as Republicans look for weak spots in the president’s armor.
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A transcript of an April 14, 1975, meeting with U.S. President Gerald Ford and other senators in the Oval Office shows Biden, then a 32-year-old freshman senator, was resistant to any continued involvement in Vietnam, and he didn’t even want to approve money that would help get the United States’ former South Vietnamese allies out of the country. “I am not sure I can vote for an amount to put American troops in for one to six months to get the Vietnamese out,” he said. “I will vote for any amount for getting the Americans out. I don’t want it mixed with getting the Vietnamese out.” On April 25, 1975, Biden voted to oppose the Vietnam Contingency Act of 1975, which would have sent emergency relief funds to South Vietnam to be used partly for evacuation. (A month later, however, Biden did vote in favor of a non-binding resolution “expressing the sense of the Senate to welcome to the U.S. the latest refugees from South Vietnam and Cambodia,” and he later supported resettlement in the United States.)

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Joey Xi's brain is so fried he doesn't remember what he said yesterday much less April of 1975.
Even today we hear from Ret. Adm. Kirby regarding the advancements of the Taliban in Afghanistan.
As it stands today the Taliban will take over Kabul in less than two weeks and they will definitely start their blood bath of those that supported the regime and the U,S.
Surely those stationed at the Embassy are in jeopardy.
We'll soon see and hear the spin and lies this incompetent administration has to spew in the matter.
Meanwhile the CCP Belt and Roads initiative is in progress with the Taliban as we tuck tail...

US-China New Trade Roads to Afghanistan | Belt & Road News

www.beltandroad.news

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China to 'welcome the Taliban back' in bid to extend Belt and Road into Afghanistan

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China Has a BIG Plan for Post-U.S. Afghanistan—and It’s Worth Billions

Nicolas Asfouri/AFP via Getty KARACHI, PAKISTAN—As the U.S. exits Afghanistan, Beijing is preparing to swoop into the war-torn country and fill the vacuum left by the departed U.S. and NATO troops.China is poised to make an exclusive entry into post-U.S. Afghanistan with its Belt and Road...

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biDen voted for the War Powers act in 1973...which ensured the Sth Viets were denied what they needed to fight in '75.

Greg

 

[JoeB131]

Piss away? They will be making a Trillion off them because of JOE...

Really? From what? Hey, unlike Iraq, Afghanistan doesn't really have any resources, unless you count opium. That's why we had to poor tons of money into it. They have some strategic metals, but they were impossible to mine as long as a war was going on.

Now, the Chinese will probably reach an agreement with the Taliban, and instead of trying to remold the country in it's image, will simply buy metals.

 

[gtopa1]

We've been in there for 20 years, for four presidents.

Some of the young men being sent over there weren't even born yet when this thing started.

I'm really not sure what sinking more time, treasure or blood into the enterprise is going to do.

Now, it's going to really suck for anyone who supported the current corrupt regime. But it was going to suck for them if it happened last year, this year or next year.

And biDen loses it in a week!!!

10000US Hostages; how many are you prepared to let die before you condemn biDen's incompetence!!!?

btw: that's FOUR 9/11s!!

Greg

 

[JoeB131]

biDen voted for the War Powers act in 1973...which ensured the Sth Viets were denied what they needed to fight in '75.

Greg

Actually, you are confused. The War Powers Act was just designed to keep another president from doing what LBJ did in Vietnam.

We never cut off the South Vietnamese. That's a fucking myth.

The Myth That Congress Cut Off Funding for South Vietnam

Since partisans have turned the April 30, 1975, Communist takeover of South Vietnam into a political weapon, I’m going to spend the anniversary doing a little myth-busting.

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A quick, easy check of an old newspaper database shows Laird's cutoff claim to be false. In the fiscal year running from July 1, 1974, to June 30, 1975, the congressional appropriation for military aid to South Vietnam was $700 million.

Nixon had requested $1.45 billion. Congress cut his aid request, but never cut off aid.

Nixon crafted this secret strategy to foster the illusion that his public strategy of "Vietnamization and negotiation" worked. Vietnamization was supposed to train the South Vietnamese army to defend itself so the American army could come home; negotiations were supposed to produce a settlement guaranteeing the South's right to choose its own government by election. Nixon privately realized that Vietnamization and negotiation would not work as he said they would.

"South Vietnam probably can never even survive anyway," he said in private, but never in public. To conceal Vietnamization's failure, Nixon timed the withdrawal of U.S. forces to the 1972 election. This way, California Governor Ronald Reagan could welcome delegates to the Republican National Convention in 1972 with the perfect words to launch the President's reelection campaign: "The last American combat team is on its way home from Vietnam."

To get the North Vietnamese to accept a settlement that, on paper, guaranteed the South's right to free elections, Nixon assured them, through the Soviet Union and China, that if they waited a "decent interval" of a year or two before taking over South Vietnam, he would not intervene. The Communists accepted Nixon's settlement terms because they knew that they didn't have to abide by them and the would get a clear shot at overthrowing the South Vietnamese government if they waited approximately 18 months after Nixon withdrew the last U.S. ground forces. Nixon wanted this "decent interval" to make it look like Saigon's fall wasn't his fault.

Sound Familiar? Kind of like what Trump did with the Taliban... negotiated a treaty with them he knew damned well they weren't going to live up to, but the bill wouldn't come due until after the election.

 

[JoeB131]

And biDen loses it in a week!!!

10000US Hostages; how many are you prepared to let die before you condemn biDen's incompetence!!!?

Those people all volunteered to go to Afghanistan. That's kind of on them.

Of course, the Taliban will happily let them leave.... Probably most of the quislings that we propped up as well.

 

[DudleySmith]

biDen voted for the War Powers act in 1973...which ensured the Sth Viets were denied what they needed to fight in '75.

Greg

The funding cuts let the North know we were abandoning South Vietnam and let them know that when they invaded we would do nothing about it, so they made an all out effort, since they still had some Soviet aid and of course REd Chinese aid, which is why Red Joe here has such a woody over the fall of the South. Commies of course never mention the foreign aid any of their pet vermin get, they still try and peddle the bullshit that it was all 'indigenous revolutionaries n stuff', just 'poor hapless peasants fightin' the Giant Evul Empire' crap.