Is Australia the Greatest Nation on Earth Concerning Freedom and Human Happiness?

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There is nowhere on Earth more beautiful than the Lake District in England. We have the full diversity of the four seasons
and we are at arm's length of historical and cultural Europe. We also have the finest Football league and we produce the best music, beer, and whisky... well a few miles up the road in Scotland.

I've visited some of the so-called most beautiful places on Earth and couldn't wait to get home.
I have to agree with that; I did a lot of hillwalking in the Lakes District and I want to do a lot more...but am here in Oz so sailing will have to do...(lol). One VERY beautiful spot is the Isle of Arran ..............Corrie Lan is amazing and just a sturdy walk. Love it!!!

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Yes,

Yes it is.

No......not when your nation is protected by the money and people of the United States....and where all of our technological and medical innovation come from that same country.

It is easy to be happy when you live in the basement while the grown ups go to work...but it is not a real way to call yourself happy and free.......

We do rely on your military protection, as does Japan, South Korea, much of the region. We are also making greater military alliances with India, hence we went into two foolish wars with you recently as payment.

Our medical system is one of the most sophisticated in the world, one reason our drugs for instance are so much cheaper is the government acts as main funder so has huge bargaining power, much more than a fragment private insurance system like the US and hence sources all over the world.

Still there are growing worries, as there is in NATO too that America is becoming too dysfunctional a society to remain a world power beyond a few decades. Hence much of the region is hedging its bets, Japan wants to expand it's military, India is and Australia is building greater military ties with both.

I do not necessarily ascribe to the view America is in military decline (though it is clear you are in social decline) but you are in a period of political, economic and even pandemic chaos which has shocked much of the world.
I have no worries with the US at all UNLESS it goes full on Demented walking death rattle "fingers" Biden.

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There is nowhere on Earth more beautiful than the Lake District in England. We have the full diversity of the four seasons
and we are at arm's length of historical and cultural Europe. We also have the finest Football league and we produce the best music, beer, and whisky... well a few miles up the road in Scotland.

I've visited some of the so-called most beautiful places on Earth and couldn't wait to get home.
I have to agree with that; I did a lot of hillwalking in the Lakes District and I want to do a lot more...but am here in Oz so sailing will have to do...(lol). One VERY beautiful spot is the Isle of Arran ..............Corrie Lan is amazing and just a sturdy walk. Love it!!!

Greg
Yes, my illness prevents me from risking traveling any distance but one of my big regrets is I never took time to visit Scotland unspoiled wilderness. Skye, Arran, The Orkneys, and Aviemore. Only ever been to Scotland twice on business in and out without spending time.
 

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Australia has ten times the number of immigrant residents or new citizens as the USA per population.

A fuck ton of muslims? Thanks for taking them, just don't allow them to leave.

You might want to watch for large purchases of ammonium nitrate.

That's free advice.

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I am not sure we want to take advise from the country must hated by the Islamic world in the world.
We are taking advice from Israel?

These days it seems like America is taking orders from Israel.
They own the dump...Look in the yellow pages.The US should have taken IsNtReal off the map after the Liberty incident and if the Britwits didn't like it ? Feed those snagz the same destiny
Yay another ignorant antisemite pipes in.
 

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Let's pretend to be objective and see what the studies say...

The jurisdictions that took the top 10 places, in order, were New Zealand, Switzerland, Hong Kong, Australia, Canada, the Netherlands and Denmark (tied in 6th place), Ireland and the United Kingdom (tied in 8th place), and Finland, Norway, and Taiwan (tied in 10th place). Selected countries rank as follows: Germany (13), the United States and Sweden (17), Republic of Korea (27), Japan (31), France and Chile (32)
World happiness report
Happiness is too subjective to be a meaningful metric.

Personally I would not be happy paying the ridiculously high taxes

But then again I would rather take care of myself than have the fucking government do it for me.
 

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What's that you say? I can't hear you over the sound of American doctors trying to get in.
 
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Let's pretend to be objective and see what the studies say...

The jurisdictions that took the top 10 places, in order, were New Zealand, Switzerland, Hong Kong, Australia, Canada, the Netherlands and Denmark (tied in 6th place), Ireland and the United Kingdom (tied in 8th place), and Finland, Norway, and Taiwan (tied in 10th place). Selected countries rank as follows: Germany (13), the United States and Sweden (17), Republic of Korea (27), Japan (31), France and Chile (32)
World happiness report
Happiness is too subjective to be a meaningful metric.

Personally I would not be happy paying the ridiculously high taxes

But then again I would rather take care of myself than have the fucking government do it for me.

Taxes are relative too, they can save the citizen money in critical areas and of course the cost of tax needs to be evaluated by the level of services provided.

For instance the average Australian income earner pays 88 dollars Australian per month for medical insurance provided by the state. (The Australian health care system gets better macro results with similar waiting times to the US) The average American health care premium according to the ACA is 456 dollars US.

The average monthly repayment on Australian tax subsidised university loans is 90 dollars Australian per month the average American student loan repayment is $579 per month.

And one on an tax funded Australian student loan does not have to pay anything, ever, until the make $55,000 dollars per year.
 
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Let's pretend to be objective and see what the studies say...

The jurisdictions that took the top 10 places, in order, were New Zealand, Switzerland, Hong Kong, Australia, Canada, the Netherlands and Denmark (tied in 6th place), Ireland and the United Kingdom (tied in 8th place), and Finland, Norway, and Taiwan (tied in 10th place). Selected countries rank as follows: Germany (13), the United States and Sweden (17), Republic of Korea (27), Japan (31), France and Chile (32)
World happiness report
Happiness is too subjective to be a meaningful metric.

Personally I would not be happy paying the ridiculously high taxes

But then again I would rather take care of myself than have the fucking government do it for me.

Taxes are relative too, they can save the citizen money in critical areas and of course the cost of tax needs to be evaluated by the level of services provided.

For instance the average Australian income earner pays 88 dollars Australian per month for medical insurance provided by the state. (The Australian health care system gets better macro results with similar waiting times to the US) The average American health care premium according to the ACA is 456 dollars US.

The average monthly repayment on Australian tax subsidised university loans is 90 dollars Australian per month the average American student loan repayment is $579 per month.

And one on an tax funded Australian student loan does not have to pay anything, ever, until the make $55,000 dollars per year.

As to happiness that is a hard term to define, but going by your own chart nations that tax higher than the US, some much higher seem to be getting much better results in happiness.

Still Aussies are the happiest, it is just un-Australian to admit your happy.
 
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Would you say they're too sad to be able to admit they're happy?
 

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Let's pretend to be objective and see what the studies say...

The jurisdictions that took the top 10 places, in order, were New Zealand, Switzerland, Hong Kong, Australia, Canada, the Netherlands and Denmark (tied in 6th place), Ireland and the United Kingdom (tied in 8th place), and Finland, Norway, and Taiwan (tied in 10th place). Selected countries rank as follows: Germany (13), the United States and Sweden (17), Republic of Korea (27), Japan (31), France and Chile (32)
World happiness report
Happiness is too subjective to be a meaningful metric.

Personally I would not be happy paying the ridiculously high taxes

But then again I would rather take care of myself than have the fucking government do it for me.

Taxes are relative too, they can save the citizen money in critical areas and of course the cost of tax needs to be evaluated by the level of services provided.

For instance the average Australian income earner pays 88 dollars Australian per month for medical insurance provided by the state. (The Australian health care system gets better macro results with similar waiting times to the US) The average American health care premium according to the ACA is 456 dollars US.

The average monthly repayment on Australian tax subsidised university loans is 90 dollars Australian per month the average American student loan repayment is $579 per month.

And one on an tax funded Australian student loan does not have to pay anything, ever, until the make $55,000 dollars per year.
you make it sound like its all free and no one pays for it but thats not true is it.
why dont you tell the entire story ?

Take away the subsidized and see how much it cost you. as for health care I understand a lot Aussies not only carry the government subsidized health care but because its so a shanty policy they also carry private health care insurance
thats because its all subsidized by your government and the high taxes you pay there. you see in America we tend to believe your responsible for your self not the government is responsible for you.

Australia is going the socialist route . you cant even defend yourself s without Americas help.

sorry that many Americas expect to be responsible for our selfs and individual and pay our own debt as each person racks up like a real man would , and not expect other to pay for it like youn do and our democrat liberal socialist do . but some people still have morals and ethics and respect freedom and perfer to be responsible for our self's like real men and women do.who pays for your subsidization ? why you do in the form of higher tax and those that dont benefit from it also pay for what your bragging about.
I paid for my own education every penny and I paid for my own health insurance with some help from a employer as part of my benift package untill I decided to retire early them I have paid for it oput of my pock in full and still do . all me and Im proud of that no hand outs . can you say that ?

I bet you cant now can you?
 
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Let's pretend to be objective and see what the studies say...

The jurisdictions that took the top 10 places, in order, were New Zealand, Switzerland, Hong Kong, Australia, Canada, the Netherlands and Denmark (tied in 6th place), Ireland and the United Kingdom (tied in 8th place), and Finland, Norway, and Taiwan (tied in 10th place). Selected countries rank as follows: Germany (13), the United States and Sweden (17), Republic of Korea (27), Japan (31), France and Chile (32)
World happiness report
Happiness is too subjective to be a meaningful metric.

Personally I would not be happy paying the ridiculously high taxes

But then again I would rather take care of myself than have the fucking government do it for me.

Taxes are relative too, they can save the citizen money in critical areas and of course the cost of tax needs to be evaluated by the level of services provided.

For instance the average Australian income earner pays 88 dollars Australian per month for medical insurance provided by the state. (The Australian health care system gets better macro results with similar waiting times to the US) The average American health care premium according to the ACA is 456 dollars US.

The average monthly repayment on Australian tax subsidised university loans is 90 dollars Australian per month the average American student loan repayment is $579 per month.

And one on an tax funded Australian student loan does not have to pay anything, ever, until the make $55,000 dollars per year.
you make it sound like its all free and no one pays for it but thats not true is it.
why dont you tell the entire story ?

Take away the subsidized and see how much it cost you. as for health care I understand a lot Aussies not only carry the government subsidized health care but because its so a shanty policy they also carry private health care insurance
thats because its all subsidized by your government and the high taxes you pay there. you see in America we tend to believe your responsible for your self not the government is responsible for you.

Australia is going the socialist route . you cant even defend yourself s without Americas help.

sorry that many Americas expect to be responsible for our selfs and individual and pay our own debt as each person racks up like a real man would , and not expect other to pay for it like youn do and our democrat liberal socialist do . but some people still have morals and ethics and respect freedom and perfer to be responsible for our self's like real men and women do.who pays for your subsidization ? why you do in the form of higher tax and those that dont benefit from it also pay for what your bragging about.
I paid for my own education every penny and I paid for my own health insurance with some help from a employer as part of my benift package untill I decided to retire early them I have paid for it oput of my pock in full and still do . all me and Im proud of that no hand outs . can you say that ?

I bet you cant now can you?

Taxes are a form of paying for services, just like private sector charges are a form of paying for services.

It is just health care is cheaper through universal insurance because the risk pool is universal. Any actuary will tell you insurance is all about spreading the risk, universal risk pools are much cheaper than fragment private insurance risk pools.

You pay, I pay, I just pay much less.

With university education it is cheaper because the tax loans are not seeking the profit that private student loans in the US seek, indeed in the US it is almost loan sharking.

One all pay for these services one way or another, but doing so by tax is some areas, like health and university education is more efficient and cheaper over all.
 
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but some people still have morals and ethics and respect freedom and perfer to be responsible for our self's like real men and women do.who pays for your subsidization ?
But you don't actually pay for you own health care. The other people in your insurance pool pay for your care, as you do theirs. Nor will you be paying directly for the development of a COVID vaccine, for example. Rugged independence is just pablum you've been fed since birth.
 
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Our actual health care system has better macro outcomes than the US in every category expect breast cancer treatment, and there we are just behind.

Our waiting times are comparable, better with GP waiting times at far less cost.

Yes you can get private insurance which gives one extras like dental or elective options at shorter waiting times like plastic surgery or optical extras, even this private insurance is much less expensive than US insurance because it has to compete with universal insurance say cannot gouge as US insurers do.

Still the universal insurance is so compressive that the majority of Aussie have not taken up private and indeed private insurance is in a panic at the moment as too many Aussie are dropping it as an extravagance rather than a need.
 

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