Is Anti-Zionism the Same as Anti-Semitism?

[Churchill]

The British Mandate was known as “Palestine, which was a geo-political term for the region. Therefore Jews living there were known as > Palestinians.

So explain then madam why the document would refer to relocating "Palestinian peasantry" in order to create space for immigrating Jews? try actually reading it, if you want to see it just ask.

You can't, your claim is bogus, typical pro-Zionist abuse of the facts.

As for the land, 70% of the land designated for the Jews by the British was given to the Hashemites, in order to appease the Arabs.

The British had no business creating states out of the territory of (British Mandated) Palestine. They had already agreed (in 1915) with the leading Arabs at the time (the vast majority of the population was Arab) (see the McMahon-Hussein correspondence) to support them in establishing self rule after the Ottomans were expelled.

The Arabs duly assisted in that, and fought bravely with the British and expelled the Turkish invaders who had ruled there for over 400 years.

This is the map that show what the British agreed would become a self governing Arab state after WW1.

That was what was agreed in 1915. The British around the same time however secretly agreed with the French etc (see Sykes-Picot agreement) to carve up the mandated regions differently (creating states Iraq, Syria, Lebanon etc) effectively stealing territory for their own political ambitions and reneging on a treaty.

Its as if the French in aiding the Americans to expel the British during the war of independence, decided after doing that, that they would carve up America and create distinct self governing countries designed to suit French aspirations.

To add insult to injury the British then decided to deal with Zionist agitators (in return for Jewish money during WW1) to carve out an area of Palestine specifically for Jews to colonize and establish a Jewish governed state.

So that's what happened, the British lied and betrayed a people who had bravely supported them in ejecting the Turkish invaders.

That is the seed that has grown into today's mess and unjustly the Arabs are portrayed as evil, antisemitic and so on, all of which is lies, Jews had lived and were living peacefully next door to Arabs and Christians and there was no trace of Jewish nationalism - Zionism.

Zionism grew as an idea in Europe where nationalism and fascism were also growing, it has much in common with fascist ideology because it did not emerge from Judaism but from European nationalist ideas.

Today the descendants of those Arabs that fought with the British, fought to liberate the region from Turkish rule, are being starved, shot, bombed, butchered and demonized as evil incarnate, bye racial supremacist Jews - is it any wonder that that has led to hatred?

You're welcome.

 

[Hector12]

So explain then madam why the document would refer to relocating "Palestinian peasantry" in order to create space for immigrating Jews? try actually reading it, if you want to see it just ask.

You can't, your claim is bogus, typical pro-Zionist abuse of the facts.

The British had no business creating states out of the territory of (British Mandated) Palestine. They had already agreed (in 1915) with the leading Arabs at the time (the vast majority of the population was Arab) (see the McMahon-Hussein correspondence) to support them in establishing self rule after the Ottomans were expelled.

The Arabs duly assisted in that, and fought bravely with the British and expelled the Turkish invaders who had ruled there for over 400 years.

This is the map that show what the British agreed would become a self governing Arab state after WW1.

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That was what was agreed in 1915. The British around the same time however secretly agreed with the French etc (see Sykes-Picot agreement) to carve up the mandated regions differently (creating states Iraq, Syria, Lebanon etc) effectively stealing territory for their own political ambitions and reneging on a treaty.

Its as if the French in aiding the Americans to expel the British during the war of independence, decided after doing that, that they would carve up America and create distinct self governing countries designed to suit French aspirations.

To add insult to injury the British then decided to deal with Zionist agitators (in return for Jewish money during WW1) to carve out an area of Palestine specifically for Jews to colonize and establish a Jewish government.

So that's what happened, the British lied and betrayed a people who had bravely supported them in ejecting the Turkish invaders.

That is the seed that has grown into today's mess and unustly the Arabs are portrayed as evil, antisemtic and so on, all of which is lies, Jews had lived and were living peacefully next door to Arabs and Christians and there was no trace of Jewish nationalism - Zionism.

Zionism grew as an idea in Europe where nationalism and fascism were also growing, it has much in common with fascist ideology because it did not emerge from Judaism but from European nationalist ideas.

Today the descendants of those Arabs that fought with the British, fought to liberate the region from Turkish rule, are being starved, shot, bombed, butchered and demonized as evil incarnate - is it any wonder that that has led to hatred?

You're welcome.

So what? The Jews wanted to restore Israel after two thousand years. I am glad they did. I am glad the United States helped them.

 

[Churchill]

So what? The Jews wanted to restore Israel after two thousand years. I am glad they did. I am glad the United States helped them.

No they didn't!!!

Zionism was a tiny movement, the vast majority of Jews did not want a Jewish state. That's why it needed violence and terrorism (even if that meant murdering opposing non-Zionist Jews) to reach its goals, it has nothing to do with Judaism.

You've been lied to all your life.

So one could argue that Zionism isn't really Jewish just as Nazism isn't really German. They are both extreme nationalist ideologies based on racial supremacy and a destined right to territory, these ideologies did not represent the people that they later claimed to represent.

The only way you can understand this to retain an open mind, objectively research the subject and history and listen to arguments from Jews who are opposed to Israel, that takes time and effort and you might be lazy.

I stand with Jews not Zionist, why don't you?

 

[rosends]

No they didn't!!!

Zionism was a tiny movement, the vast majority of Jews did not want a Jewish state. That's why it needed violence and terrorism (even if that mean killing opposing non-Zionist Jews) to reach its goals, it has nothing to do with Judaism.

You've been lied to all your life.

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So one could argue that Zionism isn't really Jewish just as Nazism isn't really German. They are both extreme nationalist ideologies based on racial supremacy and a destined right to territory, these ideologies did not represent the people that they later claimed to represent.

You misunderstand not only the range of movements that can be called "Zionism" but the underlying concept of "Chosen people" and how the two do not intersect these days.

 

[Churchill]

You misunderstand not only the range of movements that can be called "Zionism" but the underlying concept of "Chosen people" and how the two do not intersect these days.

Well I won't be asking a Zionist to "explain" Zionism for me any more than I'd ask a Nazi to "explain" Nazism for me.

Almost every major news outlet in the West is pro-Zionist, I hear it all day and all night, it is incessant, this need to "explain" what is "really" going on. The propaganda machine, the lobbying organizations operate 24/7.

Peddle your apologetics to others, I have no need of it.

 

[rosends]

Well I won't be asking a Zionist to "explain" Zionism for me any more than I'd ask a Nazi to "explain" Nazism for me.

Yes, don't ask an American what American citizenship means. I certainly wouldn't ask a Muslim to define "Islam." That would be silly. It just seems easier to wallow in ignorance.

Almost every major news outlet in the West is pro-Zionist,

Yikes. Then you really don't understand what Zionism is.

I hear it all day and all night, it is incessant, this need to "explain" what is "really" going on.

Peddle your apologetics to others, I have no need of it.

because you would rather not know. That's ok.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

So explain then madam why the document would refer to relocating "Palestinian peasantry" in order to create space for immigrating Jews? try actually reading it, if you want to see it just ask.

You can't, your claim is bogus, typical pro-Zionist abuse of the facts.

The British had no business creating states out of the territory of (British Mandated) Palestine. They had already agreed (in 1915) with the leading Arabs at the time (the vast majority of the population was Arab) (see the McMahon-Hussein correspondence) to support them in establishing self rule after the Ottomans were expelled.

The Arabs duly assisted in that, and fought bravely with the British and expelled the Turkish invaders who had ruled there for over 400 years.

This is the map that show what the British agreed would become a self governing Arab state after WW1.

View attachment 1231447

That was what was agreed in 1915. The British around the same time however secretly agreed with the French etc (see Sykes-Picot agreement) to carve up the mandated regions differently (creating states Iraq, Syria, Lebanon etc) effectively stealing territory for their own political ambitions and reneging on a treaty.

Its as if the French in aiding the Americans to expel the British during the war of independence, decided after doing that, that they would carve up America and create distinct self governing countries designed to suit French aspirations.

To add insult to injury the British then decided to deal with Zionist agitators (in return for Jewish money during WW1) to carve out an area of Palestine specifically for Jews to colonize and establish a Jewish governed state.

So that's what happened, the British lied and betrayed a people who had bravely supported them in ejecting the Turkish invaders.

That is the seed that has grown into today's mess and unjustly the Arabs are portrayed as evil, antisemitic and so on, all of which is lies, Jews had lived and were living peacefully next door to Arabs and Christians and there was no trace of Jewish nationalism - Zionism.

Zionism grew as an idea in Europe where nationalism and fascism were also growing, it has much in common with fascist ideology because it did not emerge from Judaism but from European nationalist ideas.

Today the descendants of those Arabs that fought with the British, fought to liberate the region from Turkish rule, are being starved, shot, bombed, butchered and demonized as evil incarnate, bye racial supremacist Jews - is it any wonder that that has led to hatred?

You're welcome.

The fact that you keep using the buzz word Zionist without knowing the meaning of the word. Factor in your total ignorance of historical events, plus your combative style, and you are not worthy of any discussion on the topic.

 

[Churchill]

Yes, don't ask an American what American citizenship means.

Would you ask a Nazi what Nazism means or would you instead look at what effects it has?

I certainly wouldn't ask a Muslim to define "Islam." That would be silly. It just seems easier to wallow in ignorance.

Would you ask a Palestinian what Genocide is?

Yikes. Then you really don't understand what Zionism is.

It understand what some ideology is by looking at what effects it has, it is what it does.

because you would rather not know. That's ok.

But I do know.

 

[Churchill]

The fact that you keep using the buzz word Zionist without knowing the meaning of the word. Factor in your total ignorance of historical events, plus your combative style, and you are not worthy of any discussion on the topic.

I don't need you to define it for me, instead I look at what effects the ideology has. That's how we define Nazism, we don't ask former concentration camp commandants to tell us what the term "really" means do we? No, we look at the extermination policies, the racial prejudice, the seized territory, the documents, the victims and what they have to say.

That's how I define Nazism and that's how I define Zionism and that's how all ideologies should be defined - by the effects they have on their victims.

 

[rosends]

Would you ask a Nazi what Nazism means or would you instead look at what effects it has?

I would ask a Nazi what it means. You think he doesn't know? How do i know what impact comes from the label "Nazi" and what comes from another source?

Would you ask a Palestinian what Genocide is?

I would ask an international lawyer.

It understand what some ideology is by looking at what effects it has, it is what it does.

and drawing all sorts of wrong conclusions

But I do know.

You don't seem to understand what Zionism means on multiple levels.

 

[Churchill]

I would ask a Nazi what it means. You think he doesn't know?

They did that at Nuremberg, yet they executed them any way, they didn't believe the Nazis own "explanations".

How do i know what impact comes from the label "Nazi" and what comes from another source?

I would ask an international lawyer.

Like those who issued an arrest warrant for Netanyahu?

and drawing all sorts of wrong conclusions

You don't seem to understand what Zionism means on multiple levels.

Neither do you.

 

[BackAgain]

You can be against displacement, while not having hatred for a group of people.
Just like you can be against the israeli govt, and not have hatred for jews.
I mean, sure. They probably hate you goyim, but you dont have to hate them.

It is certainly possible to oppose “Zionism” without being a hater of Jewish people. However, if you scratch the surface of these anti Zionists, you find a solid core of anti Semitism just below the surface.

 

[TNHarley]

It is certainly possible to oppose “Zionism” without being a hater of Jewish people. However, if you scratch the surface of these anti Zionists, you find a solid core of anti Semitism just below the surface.

I bet they absolutely despise jews

 

[toobfreak]

There are a lot of Jew haters

Really? I have not noticed that.

that attempt to make the distinction between Jews and Zionism. Yes, there is a difference on certain levels.

Well sure: Semitism is the practice of the population of the people themselves whereas Zionism is the entire, broader aspect of their ideology, support, practice and population.

 

[Hector12]

I don't need you to define it for me, instead I look at what effects the ideology has. That's how we define Nazism, we don't ask former concentration camp commandants to tell us what the term "really" means do we? No, we look at the extermination policies, the racial prejudice, the seized territory, the documents, the victims and what they have to say.

That's how I define Nazism and that's how I define Zionism and that's how all ideologies should be defined - by the effects they have on their victims.

The acquisition of new land and soil for the settling of the superfluous population has no end of advantages.

- Adolf Hitler, from Mein Kampf, Volume I, Chapter IV, "Munich"

 

[ShahdagMountains]

I don't need you to define it for me, instead I look at what effects the ideology has. That's how we define Nazism, we don't ask former concentration camp commandants to tell us what the term "really" means do we? No, we look at the extermination policies, the racial prejudice, the seized territory, the documents, the victims and what they have to say.

That's how I define Nazism and that's how I define Zionism and that's how all ideologies should be defined - by the effects they have on their victims.

I don’t care.

 

[Churchill]

It is certainly possible to oppose “Zionism” without being a hater of Jewish people. However, if you scratch the surface of these anti Zionists, you find a solid core of anti Semitism just below the surface.

Translation: Don't believe your own eyes and ears, these people really are antisemites don't be fooled.

 

[Hector12]

I bet they absolutely despise jews
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Let's just say they are a handful of race traitors.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Translation: Don't believe your own eyes and ears.

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Why do you keep posting pictures of the Ultra Orthodox

Making it obvious what your mindset is.

 

[Churchill]

Why do you keep posting pictures of the Ultra Orthodox

Making it obvious what your mindset is.

I thought you just said you didn't care?