Is America Ruled By A Socialist?

[thanatos144]

You don't know the difference between communism and socialism as the whole world but Pub dupe cold war dinisaurs undertand it. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic and go from there.

hey genius communism is socialism

Welcome to my nightmare

Extreme, totalitarian socialism, cold war dinosaur...

amazing you don't even know what you're talking about

Welcome to my nightmare

 

[MikeK]

No, it is the process of unionization of the government workers which is bankrupting this country. Even FDR was against it.

How sad it is you can be made to believe that.

Unions, including public employee unions, even though some of them are corrupted and flawed, are the best thing that ever happened to the ordinary working American, whether union or non-union, because without them we all would be wage slaves willing to cut one another's throat for an extra dime an hour.

If you want to know what is bankrupting America, do some research on the activities of the Military Industrial Complex -- and you might want to invest some time in watching the FREE video featured in my signature line. It is very educational.

 

[MikeK]

Why won't you put your money where your mouth is and submit your US citizenship for an exchange of one of the socialist countries - North Korea or Cuba.

And don't give me a BS about "socialist countries" as Sweden or Norway. Those are NOT socialist countries( by the clear definition what socialism is) - those are good old capitalist countries with social democrats going crazy. Sweden is actually reforming their welfare state.

One of the most critical elements of any fundamentally socialist society is the existence of socialized medicine, which is common to all of the Scandinavian nations. Because they have not devolved to the collectivist level of socialism (which is communism) does not mean they function as something other than fundamentally socialist cultures.

Incidentally, Denmark, another socialist nation with a regulated capitalist economy, is known as the "happiest nation in the world." And The Happiest Place On Earth Is... - CBS News

I respectfully suggest that you've been misled by some very worn-out right-wing propaganda, typically put forth by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, and Bill O'Reilly. Please keep one thing in mind, every one of these fellows is a multi-millionaire -- and they all got that way by brainwashing honest, decent, impressionable Americans.

 

[jasonnfree]

"FDR put people to work and food in their stomachs."

Gee....and all it cost them was their liberty.......


In her book "Uncle Sam's Plantation," Star Parker put it this way:

1. "There is the passage from Genesis 25:29-34, which accurately describes the cultural shifts that took place during the Great Depression. Read this, and replace "Jacob" with "Uncle Sam," "Esau," with "the People," and "birthright," with "freedom."

29 Once when Jacob was cooking some stew, Esau came in from the open country, famished. 30 He said to Jacob, “Quick, let me have some of that red stew! I’m famished!”
31 Jacob replied, “First sell me your birthright.”
32 “Look, I am about to die,” Esau said. “What good is the birthright to me?”
33 But Jacob said, “Swear to me first.” So he swore an oath to him, selling his birthright to Jacob.
34 Then Jacob gave Esau some bread and some lentil stew. He ate and drank, and then got up and left.
So Esau despised his birthright."


2. So, as a result, corrosive indolence warped a once healthy work ethic, and a new cultural ideal took hold in society. Once the needy got a taste of government handouts, the genie was out of the bottle. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness became the expectation of government obligation to provide happiness to everyone. Dependence begat a lower echelon of faithful voter. Politicians advanced the idea that the alleviation of poverty was the sole responsibility of politicians. What Tocqueville had predicted came to pass."



When do you think Obama will issue an executive order changing July 4th to 'Dependence Day"?

PC, I think the people of America were better off after FDR. So he puts food in their stomach. That's what you do when people are hungry. What freedoms did people give up? Their freedom to starve? After FDR and ww2, America became the most powerful country and Americans the most prosperous for decades. We're still doing pretty well right now I think. What freedom do I not have that my grandfather had? Have my phone calls monitored? He didn't have a phone. Take my shoes off at the airport? My grandfather never had money to take a vacation. You say probably he had the power to form his own destiny without the government, but that wasn't helping him and other hard working americans in their time of need. He couldn't find work, only my mother and aunt found work as domestics. There was no money circulating and of course, no demand for workers. Are we certain republicans would have ever pulled us out of a depression? Would things have gotten better on their own? Maybe, maybe not but the country was close to a revolution and FDR did prevent that. IMO

1. Actually, there are a number of positives that FDR provided.

Consider the following pluses for FDR( from “The Hundred Days of FDR”, by Schlesinger)
"Who can now imagine a day when America offered no Social Security, no unemployment compensation, no food stamps, no Federal guarantee of bank deposits, no Federal supervision of the stock market, no Federal protection for collective bargaining, no Federal standards for wages and hours, no Federal support for farm prices or rural electrification, no Federal refinancing for farm and home mortgages, no Federal commitment to high employment or to equal opportunity - in short, no Federal responsibility for Americans who found themselves, through no fault of their own, in economic or social distress?"
The 'Hundred Days' of F.D.R.




The question that needs answering is whether the above make up for the loss of our memorializing document, the Constitution.
Make no mistake: it ended with FDR.


2. Theodore Lowi, a political science eminence at Cornell University, years ago drew a bead on what was wrong with the American polity. In his "The End of Liberalism: The Second Republic of the United States," he claimed that the Founder's constitution of 1787 had been surreptitiously replaced with a new one by the FDR administration,...

2. Though the Constitution of the Second Republic is unwritten, here is Lowi's "sketch" of its essential outlines:

PREAMBLE. There ought to be a national presence in every aspect of the lives of American citizens. National power is no longer a necessary evil; it is a positive virtue.

Article I. It is the primary purpose of this national government to provide domestic tranquility by reducing risk. This risk may be physical or it may be fiscal. In order to fulfill this sacred obligation, the national government shall be deemed to have sufficient power to eliminate threats from the environment through regulation, and to eliminate threats from economic uncertainty through insurance.


Article II. The separation of powers to the contrary notwithstanding, the center of this national government is the presidency. Said office is authorized to use any powers, real or imagined, to set our nation to rights making any rules or regulations the president deems appropriate; the president may delegate this authority to any other official or agency. The right to make all such rules and regulations is based on the assumption in this constitution that the office of the presidency embodies the will of the real majority of the American nation.

Article III. Congress exists, but only as a consensual body. Congress possesses all legislative authority but should limit itself to the delegation of broad grants of unstructured authority to the president. Congress must take care never to draft a careful and precise statute because this would interfere with the judgment of the president and his professional and full time administrators.

Article IV. There exists a separate administrative branch composed of persons whose right to govern is based on two principles: (1), the delegations of power flowing from Congress; and (2), the authority inherent in professional training and promotion through an administrative hierarchy. Congress and the courts may provide for administrative procedures and have the power to review agencies for their observance of these procedures; but in no instance should Congress or the courts attempt to displace the judgment of the administrators with their own.

Article V. The Judicial branch is responsible for two functions: (1), to preserve the procedural rights of citizens before all federal courts, state and local courts, and administrative agencies; and (2), to apply the Fourteenth Amendment of the 1787 Constitution as a natural-law defense of all substantive and procedural rights. The appellate courts shall exercise vigorous judicial review of all state and local government and court decisions, but in no instance shall the courts review the constitutionality of Congress’s grants of authority to the president or to the federal administrative agencies.

Article VI. The public interest shall be defined by the satisfaction of the voters in their constituencies. The test of public interest is reelection.

Article VII. The public interest to the contrary notwithstanding, actual policy making will not come from voter preferences or congressional enactments but form a process of tripartite bargaining between specialized administrators, relevant members of Congress, and the representatives of self-selected organized interests. Principalities And Powers: Goodbye Liberalism: Hello Socialism



Your understanding of the original Constitution has not, of yet, been in evidence. But if and when that event comes to pass, you should consider which constitution you agree to live under.

My posts are based on having agreed to the original, only.

Are you sure that FDR replaced the constitution with his own? One of the things the constitution is pretty clear about is that only congress can declare war. FDR was the last president that has ever asked congress for a declaration of war in 1941, so if he had already replaced the constitution with his own constitution, then why did he think it necessary to ask congress for a declaration? A little technical I know but still a fact.
Your answer is posting the opinion of a political science eminence from cornell.

 

[Vox]

Socialism is the single greatest advance in human civilization as a whole. Socialism is what has prevented all of the other great advances of civilization to be claimed, owned, and guarded by a powerful few.

And democracy is what enabled socialism. Without the advance of democracy in its many forms,

the economically/socially less powerful would have never gained sufficient political power to be able to wrest away from the wealthy the natural political power that accrues to wealth itself.

Why won't you put your money where your mouth is and submit your US citizenship for an exchange of one of the socialist countries - North Korea or Cuba.

And don't give me a BS about "socialist countries" as Sweden or Norway. Those are NOT socialist countries( by the clear definition what socialism is) - those are good old capitalist countries with social democrats going crazy. Sweden is actually reforming their welfare state.

You don't know the difference between communism and socialism as the whole world but Pub dupe cold war dinosaurs undertand it. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic and go from there.

it is you, dummy, who has no clue what communism and socialism is. Read the basics, starting from Marx.

Communism by it's definition existed briefly only in 1918 in Soviet Russia and even then it was not simple communism, but military type one.

 

[Vox]

Why won't you put your money where your mouth is and submit your US citizenship for an exchange of one of the socialist countries - North Korea or Cuba.

And don't give me a BS about "socialist countries" as Sweden or Norway. Those are NOT socialist countries( by the clear definition what socialism is) - those are good old capitalist countries with social democrats going crazy. Sweden is actually reforming their welfare state.

One of the most critical elements of any fundamentally socialist society is the existence of socialized medicine, which is common to all of the Scandinavian nations. Because they have not devolved to the collectivist level of socialism (which is communism) does not mean they function as something other than fundamentally socialist cultures.

Incidentally, Denmark, another socialist nation with a regulated capitalist economy, is known as the "happiest nation in the world." And The Happiest Place On Earth Is... - CBS News

I respectfully suggest that you've been misled by some very worn-out right-wing propaganda, typically put forth by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, and Bill O'Reilly. Please keep one thing in mind, every one of these fellows are multi-millionaires -- and they got that way by brainwashing honest, decent, impressionable Americans.

Nope, dumbo. Go start with Lenin's "Materialism and Empiriocriticism", if you want to learn what socialism is.
Or with Marx, for that matter.

 

[Vox]

No, it is the process of unionization of the government workers which is bankrupting this country. Even FDR was against it.

How sad it is you can be made to believe that.

Unions, including public employee unions, even though some of them are corrupted and flawed, are the best thing that ever happened to the ordinary working American, whether union or non-union, because without them we all would be wage slaves willing to cut one another's throat for an extra dime an hour.

If you want to know what is bankrupting America, do some research on the activities of the Military Industrial Complex -- and you might want to invest some time in watching the FREE video featured in my signature line. It is very educational.

Government employee unions are the grave diggers of this country.

 

[MikeK]

Government employee unions are the grave diggers of this country.

Can it be you are resentfully ineligible for government employment?

How about giving us a verifiable example of what you mean by unionized government employee excess. Facts and figures, not rumors and opinions.

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC, I think the people of America were better off after FDR. So he puts food in their stomach. That's what you do when people are hungry. What freedoms did people give up? Their freedom to starve? After FDR and ww2, America became the most powerful country and Americans the most prosperous for decades. We're still doing pretty well right now I think. What freedom do I not have that my grandfather had? Have my phone calls monitored? He didn't have a phone. Take my shoes off at the airport? My grandfather never had money to take a vacation. You say probably he had the power to form his own destiny without the government, but that wasn't helping him and other hard working americans in their time of need. He couldn't find work, only my mother and aunt found work as domestics. There was no money circulating and of course, no demand for workers. Are we certain republicans would have ever pulled us out of a depression? Would things have gotten better on their own? Maybe, maybe not but the country was close to a revolution and FDR did prevent that. IMO

1. Actually, there are a number of positives that FDR provided.

Consider the following pluses for FDR( from “The Hundred Days of FDR”, by Schlesinger)
"Who can now imagine a day when America offered no Social Security, no unemployment compensation, no food stamps, no Federal guarantee of bank deposits, no Federal supervision of the stock market, no Federal protection for collective bargaining, no Federal standards for wages and hours, no Federal support for farm prices or rural electrification, no Federal refinancing for farm and home mortgages, no Federal commitment to high employment or to equal opportunity - in short, no Federal responsibility for Americans who found themselves, through no fault of their own, in economic or social distress?"
The 'Hundred Days' of F.D.R.




The question that needs answering is whether the above make up for the loss of our memorializing document, the Constitution.
Make no mistake: it ended with FDR.


2. Theodore Lowi, a political science eminence at Cornell University, years ago drew a bead on what was wrong with the American polity. In his "The End of Liberalism: The Second Republic of the United States," he claimed that the Founder's constitution of 1787 had been surreptitiously replaced with a new one by the FDR administration,...

2. Though the Constitution of the Second Republic is unwritten, here is Lowi's "sketch" of its essential outlines:

PREAMBLE. There ought to be a national presence in every aspect of the lives of American citizens. National power is no longer a necessary evil; it is a positive virtue.

Article I. It is the primary purpose of this national government to provide domestic tranquility by reducing risk. This risk may be physical or it may be fiscal. In order to fulfill this sacred obligation, the national government shall be deemed to have sufficient power to eliminate threats from the environment through regulation, and to eliminate threats from economic uncertainty through insurance.


Article II. The separation of powers to the contrary notwithstanding, the center of this national government is the presidency. Said office is authorized to use any powers, real or imagined, to set our nation to rights making any rules or regulations the president deems appropriate; the president may delegate this authority to any other official or agency. The right to make all such rules and regulations is based on the assumption in this constitution that the office of the presidency embodies the will of the real majority of the American nation.

Article III. Congress exists, but only as a consensual body. Congress possesses all legislative authority but should limit itself to the delegation of broad grants of unstructured authority to the president. Congress must take care never to draft a careful and precise statute because this would interfere with the judgment of the president and his professional and full time administrators.

Article IV. There exists a separate administrative branch composed of persons whose right to govern is based on two principles: (1), the delegations of power flowing from Congress; and (2), the authority inherent in professional training and promotion through an administrative hierarchy. Congress and the courts may provide for administrative procedures and have the power to review agencies for their observance of these procedures; but in no instance should Congress or the courts attempt to displace the judgment of the administrators with their own.

Article V. The Judicial branch is responsible for two functions: (1), to preserve the procedural rights of citizens before all federal courts, state and local courts, and administrative agencies; and (2), to apply the Fourteenth Amendment of the 1787 Constitution as a natural-law defense of all substantive and procedural rights. The appellate courts shall exercise vigorous judicial review of all state and local government and court decisions, but in no instance shall the courts review the constitutionality of Congress’s grants of authority to the president or to the federal administrative agencies.

Article VI. The public interest shall be defined by the satisfaction of the voters in their constituencies. The test of public interest is reelection.

Article VII. The public interest to the contrary notwithstanding, actual policy making will not come from voter preferences or congressional enactments but form a process of tripartite bargaining between specialized administrators, relevant members of Congress, and the representatives of self-selected organized interests. Principalities And Powers: Goodbye Liberalism: Hello Socialism



Your understanding of the original Constitution has not, of yet, been in evidence. But if and when that event comes to pass, you should consider which constitution you agree to live under.

My posts are based on having agreed to the original, only.

Are you sure that FDR replaced the constitution with his own? One of the things the constitution is pretty clear about is that only congress can declare war. FDR was the last president that has ever asked congress for a declaration of war in 1941, so if he had already replaced the constitution with his own constitution, then why did he think it necessary to ask congress for a declaration? A little technical I know but still a fact.
Your answer is posting the opinion of a political science eminence from cornell.

"...then why did he think it necessary to ask congress for a declaration? A little technical I know but still a fact."


To fool simpletons like you.

 

[Vox]

Government employee unions are the grave diggers of this country.

Can it be you are resentfully ineligible for government employment?

How about giving us a verifiable example of what you mean by unionized government employee excess. Facts and figures, not rumors and opinions.

why won't you start FIRST and prove they are the greatest we have ever achieved. With figures and links

 

[percysunshine]

About the only thing you and I have in common is that neither one of us knows what you're talking about in the above post.

Kind of tough to defend German and Soviet Socialism. I know you have it in you...give it a try.

The current German nation is not a failure by any stretch of the imagination. If you believe it is socialist,

then you've refuted your own nonsensical claim that all socialist nations have failed.

That wasn't a very good try. Lame dodges tend to be transparent.

 

[regent]

Off-hand I can think of about ten types of socialism, and most industrial nations, as the US have a mixed economy of socialism and capitalism. With socialism so popular Karl Marx called his economic transition program from capitalism to communism, Scientific Socialism, giving the Republicans the greatest gift imaginable. Republicans then labeled everything they didn't like as socialism, and worse, tried to get people to believe that socialism was the first step to communism. Even when Social Security was suggested it was labeled socialism and some people actually believed Social Security was the first step to turning America in a communist state. Since then, most Americans have learned the difference and even know that Marx's scientific socialism bombed out after a few years. I think most Republicans have dropped the "it leads to communism" scam and now use the, it destroys self esteem, creates welfare cases, and makes one hurt while peeing. How dumb do they think the American people are?

 

[JoeNormal]

Amusing, and a bit puzzling, that at this late stage, and long after the hallmark "...you didn't build that....," almost daily some apologist writes that Obama certainly isn't a socialist.

Yeah, he is.

1. How can that even open to question???

[...]

If Obama was indeed a socialist, instead of handing the criminal bankers $850billion and stepping aside he would have taken control of the banks which would now be government entities and functioning on behalf of the People. It was a golden opportunity that he squandered because he is owned by the banks and by Wall Street -- from whence came his wooden indian Attorney General.

To suggest that Obama is a socialist is absurd. He's been in Office five years and the One Percent is still intact and thriving. Bernie Sanders is a socialist. Put Bernie in the White House and watch the sparks fly. The meaning of socialism will become explosively clear.

Obama is a paid agent of the emerging corporatocracy as well as an artful bullshitter.

Exactly.