Zone1 Is Abortion Murder?

[martybegan]

No, guy, your own position is absurd.

If I said I won't serve gays because I think the butt sex is icky, that would be ridiculous.

If I said I wouldn't serve Mormons or Jews or Blacks on theological grounds, that would be ridiculous.

So why does your position make sense?

Because why force people to perform an easily replicable non timely, not necessary service for a ceremony they find immoral just because you get off from it?

My position makes sense if everyone wants to get along and have some common sense.

Your position makes sense if you are miserable old fuck who gets off on people you don't agree with getting fucked over.

 

[JoeB131]

Because why force people to perform an easily replicable non timely, not necessary service for a ceremony they find immoral just because you get off from it?

My position makes sense if everyone wants to get along and have some common sense.

Your position makes sense if you are miserable old fuck who gets off on people you don't agree with getting fucked over.

Guy, we aren't talking about the TYPE of service performed.

Should a racist baker have the right to say, "I don't serve any (word we can't use on USMB)!"

By your logic, they should. After all, they can easily replicate the not-necessary service somewhere else, am I right?

The person who refuses to get along is the homophobic twat who has to be open about his homophobia. It really costs them nothing to make that cake. They are getting paid for it!

 

[DukeU]

Get off your fat butt and notify the police about these babies being murdered because whining on this board doesn`t stop these "murders", does it?
I`ll start taking these fake pro-lifers seriously when I see them at the NRA headquarters protesting one of our mass shootings. It`s the Nation`s Real Ayeholes who obstruct even the most innocuous proposals for gun control. Clinton should have levelled their headquarters an hour after they blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City.

Should we also go to the Ford and Chevy dealer or maybe the Budweiser plant to protest drunk driving deaths?

 

[Road Runner]

Such as.... to thwart right wingers' views on biology?

Well actually I like DukeU's response even more.

Liberals having children is not really a good idea.

Liberal cities have a high high incidence of child molestation, child abuse, transgender and homosexual children.

However, when liberals move to the rural areas due to laws preventing them from living inside city limits anymore (too many schools) they then cause normal activities of children being self sufficient and normal to be viewed as neglect or abuse.

Such is the case for a woman in rural GA where her 9 year old child was walking ¾ mile to the store to buy junk food. (Rather normal activity) The child's mother was arrested for child endangerment and neglect. It wasn't a busy highway, the child was on the side of the road, and it was without many intersections. Again...normal activity...so is driving a golf cart to the store or riding a bicycle. Walking is as normal as it comes. Used to do it myself. Not a big deal. Well, usually I walked that distance to school daily.

So, what exactly are you trying to say?

The science says that human life begins at conception. Of course its murder.

Yeah, you know, I can see why that's true now.

We're talking about law. God doesn't really factor into this. Hell, which god? Whose idea of that god? Since when does theology dictate law in the US?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well actually I like DukeU's response even more.



So, what exactly are you trying to say?



Yeah, you know, I can see why that's true now.






We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

His response isn't good.
Did he provide any evidence?

Did he even make an argument? No

Why Sex Offender Registries Keep Growing Even as Sexual Violence Rates Fall

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The colors don't matter, they just show how many people live in those states. CA is green, for example with 266 offenders per 100,000 people, but Mississippi has 348 and is yellow, for example.

"22 other states keep out-of-state visitors on their registries for life, according to a study released last November. It’s one reason state lists misrepresent the actual number of people with sex-crime records living in communities."

Even this is not necessarily a good view of how many are in each state, as some require a life time's record, others only 5 years.

 

[Road Runner]

His response isn't good.
Did he provide any evidence?

Did he even make an argument? No

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Why Sex Offender Registries Keep Growing Even as Sexual Violence Rates Fall

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The colors don't matter, they just show how many people live in those states. CA is green, for example with 266 offenders per 100,000 people, but Mississippi has 348 and is yellow, for example.

"22 other states keep out-of-state visitors on their registries for life, according to a study released last November. It’s one reason state lists misrepresent the actual number of people with sex-crime records living in communities."

Even this is not necessarily a good view of how many are in each state, as some require a life time's record, others only 5 years.

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His evidence is the Bible and what do sex offenders have to do with this?

 

[frigidweirdo]

His evidence is the Bible and what do sex offenders have to do with this?

Oh even better, the Bible as evidence. Hey, I'm going to use HARRY POTTER as evidence, that'll blast you into the sky

 

[Road Runner]

Oh even better, the Bible as evidence. Hey, I'm going to use HARRY POTTER as evidence, that'll blast you into the sky

Now you're just being ridiculous. Harry Potter is a work of fiction. The Bible is classified as non-fiction.

 

[elektra]

Having said that, I still think abortions should lbe reserved for cases of rape, defect, and of course the mothers life being in danger. Perhaps also cases where the child is a product of adultery.

Yet, rape babies are as innocent as any other baby. Mothers that were raped and kept their babies are happy with the decision.

plenty of stories out there, woman who were raped that kept the baby

The person training me at work, his mother was raped and kept her son, the man training me.

We should not make a mother's trauma worst by having her kill her baby,.

 

[Road Runner]

Yet, rape babies are as innocent as any other baby. Mothers that were raped and kept their babies are happy with the decision.

plenty of stories out there, woman who were raped that kept the baby

The person training me at work, his mother was raped and kept her son, the man training me.

We should not make a mother's trauma worst by having her kill her baby,.

No but if she still doesn't want to keep her baby adoption is an option. As she also shouldn't be forced to keep it either.

 

[elektra]

No but if she still doesn't want to keep her baby adoption is an option. As she also shouldn't be forced to keep it either.

At the same time, the pressure by society to abort is overwhelming.

If we are truthful, the pressure on mother's to abort is extreme and one sided. The negativity associated with having children, raped or not raped, is really hard for me to describe. The propaganda promoting abortion is like shouting fire in a crowded theater.

Free speech? Hardly, not at all. Abortion advocates use hate speech to intimidate, berate, and scare women into having abortions.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Ignorance is Bliss As With Cause Abortion Is Beyond A Current Capacity To Recall Being Challenged "

* Murder Is Legal Positivism While Euthanasia Chosen By Individuals Regarding Themselves Can Be Humane *

Biologists from 1,058 academic institutions around the world assessed survey items on when a human's life begins and, overall, 96% (5337 out of 5577) affirmed the fertilization view.
Sounds like murder to me.

Prior to individuals entering into a collective social civil contract , as a greater individual , individuals are subject to relativistic outcomes of nature ; and , to improve ones odds for survival and for quality of life , individuals exchange natural freedoms for protected rites , through retort as a greater individual , according to a constitution for a greater state of individuals .

A state is comprised of citizens , on whose behalf interests of a state exist , where citizenship and constitutional protections , as legitimate interests of a collective state , are instantiated through a live birth requirement , and an enumerated rite for equal protection requires live birth .

The issue of abortion is not " when does life begin ? " , rather the issue of abortion is " when does a legitimate interest of a state begin ? " .

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[frigidweirdo]

Now you're just being ridiculous. Harry Potter is a work of fiction. The Bible is classified as non-fiction.

You think the Bible is non-fiction huh?

You think Noah went and got all species of animals on the planet, and put two of everyone of them on the Ark, a boat that was about the same size as the largest wooden ship ever that could only function with pumps constantly pumping water out because it leaked so badly?

How did he classify all the animal? How did he lions and tigers and all manner of dangerous creatures on the ship? Also, how did he keep the fish on the boat (because it says ALL ANIMALS, not just land animals) and how did he feed them all, and clean out the areas where they lived?

I mean, there are two million species on the planet, and as the church seems to forego the idea of evolution, it means they had to have had ALL of these species on the boat.

Then you have the idea that God said "you're too violent" to humans, only humans. And his solution to not liking violence was "I'm going to have a mass genocide and allow 8 humans to live and 2 of every other species.

Then you have the issue of inbreeding. We know inbreeding is bad and causes problems. You expect us to believe there were 8 humans, two of whom were probably two old to have kids, so, three pairs of humans and we're all inbred from these, and then the other animals are all inbred from just two animals....

Yeah, non-fiction... oh look, it's Harry Potter again.

 

[elektra]

You think the Bible is non-fiction huh?

You think Noah went and got all species of animals on the planet, and put two of everyone of them on the Ark, a boat that was about the same size as the largest wooden ship ever that could only function with pumps constantly pumping water out because it leaked so badly?

How did he classify all the animal? How did he lions and tigers and all manner of dangerous creatures on the ship? Also, how did he keep the fish on the boat (because it says ALL ANIMALS, not just land animals) and how did he feed them all, and clean out the areas where they lived?

I mean, there are two million species on the planet, and as the church seems to forego the idea of evolution, it means they had to have had ALL of these species on the boat.

Then you have the idea that God said "you're too violent" to humans, only humans. And his solution to not liking violence was "I'm going to have a mass genocide and allow 8 humans to live and 2 of every other species.

Then you have the issue of inbreeding. We know inbreeding is bad and causes problems. You expect us to believe there were 8 humans, two of whom were probably two old to have kids, so, three pairs of humans and we're all inbred from these, and then the other animals are all inbred from just two animals....

Yeah, non-fiction... oh look, it's Harry Potter again.

Well, tell us how it all began and got to here

 

[Road Runner]

Well, tell us how it all began and got to here

You stole my words and btw I believe that evolution was put in place by God for the record.

 

[JohnDB]

How precisely God created the universe is not revealed in scriptures....so I really just don't care. Nor do the scriptures reveal how God made mankind. Only that He did it.

However, on the issue of abortion the scriptures are also painfully clear. It is one of the worst things you can do. It's infanticide. It's much worse than killing kittens. Especially when the waiting list for newborn babies to adopt is years long and exorbitantly expensive.

Simon of Cyrene is the culprit in scriptures pulled out and made an example of for being an abortion pharmacist. (He sold abortifacient in the marketplace)

So...yes....it's an aborhent practice and needs to be stopped.

A person's life is not over when pregnant or because they have children. Children are not an inconvenience either...they are one of many reasons why life in general is good. Seeing to my own personal luxuries, achievements, and needs is not as good as seeing my own child succeed.

Of course not every child is going to be an Elon Musk or George Carver....but that doesn't negate the amount of pride you feel when they achieve something...even when it's just "B's" on their report card.

You can argue evolution and scripture or you can save lives....I leave the choice to you.

 

[elektra]

You stole my words and btw I believe that evolution was put in place by God for the record.

Well, even true stories are embellished over the years until they are fiction based on fact.

Evolution, from what I understand is missing a tremendous amount of the fossil record to turn that theory into fact.

Evolution, I can put a disassembled 350 chevy washing machine, turn it on, and after 200 million years it would be assembled.

 

[martybegan]

Guy, we aren't talking about the TYPE of service performed.

Should a racist baker have the right to say, "I don't serve any (word we can't use on USMB)!"

By your logic, they should. After all, they can easily replicate the not-necessary service somewhere else, am I right?

The person who refuses to get along is the homophobic twat who has to be open about his homophobia. It really costs them nothing to make that cake. They are getting paid for it!

No, because they agreed to perform services not related to the wedding.

Also, the courts have agreed with my view on this.

MSN

It isn't just one person. And thinking homosexuality is immoral is a right of every American.

 

[80zephyr]

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* Murder Is Legal Positivism While Euthanasia Chosen By Individuals Regarding Themselves Can Be Humane *

Prior to individuals entering into a collective social civil contract , as a greater individual , individuals are subject to relativistic outcomes of nature ; and , to improve ones odds for survival and for quality of life , individuals exchange natural freedoms for protected rites , through retort as a greater individual , according to a constitution for a greater state of individuals .

A state is comprised of citizens , on whose behalf interests of a state exist , where citizenship and constitutional protections , as legitimate interests of a collective state , are instantiated through a live birth requirement , and an enumerated rite for equal protection requires live birth .

The issue of abortion is not " when does life begin ? " , rather the issue of abortion is " when does a legitimate interest of a state begin ? " .

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I would tend to believe ending a human life is murder. That should be consistent enough for the state.

 

[Monk-Eye]

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I would tend to believe ending a human life is murder. That should be consistent enough for the state.

A state is comprised of citizens whose constitutional protections are instantiated through a non incidental requirement of live birth and an enumerated rite of equal protection requires live birth , such that abortion is a non enumerated rite as states do not have the power to amend a live birth requirement to become a us citizen and for equal protection .

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