Is Abortion A State’s Right Issue?

[Thinker101]

Should it come up for a vote by the people of those individual states?

Well not Florida it seems Florida Asks State Supreme Court To Tank Abortion Ballot Proposal

One million signatures have been gathered to put it to a vote . Well above the threshold, but the DiSantis government is suing to try to stop that vote

Dang, you expecting to get an abortion in Florida?

 

[Weatherman2020]

State constitutional amendments propositions have to have “people on the ballot”?

What?

Representing is a politicians job.

Maybe we keep all pro baby killers off the ballot!

 

[MarcATL]

Florida Republicans are scared to death of referenda because it takes power away from the statehouse they control and puts it in the hands of the people. No state government is more anti-freedom or anti-democratic than DeSantis’ Florida. Don’t tow the party line? DeSantis is not shy about using state power to get his way. Repubs know that the abortion referendum vote will most likely go against them so they are cutting it off at the knees. The Florida Supreme Court is stacked with conservatives who will most likely strike down the abortion Referendum on some technicality. While it is not guaranteed they will strike it down, chances are greater than 50/50 they will. Let the people decide is not in the Repub playbook.

Basically.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Should it come up for a vote by the people of those individual states?

Well not Florida it seems Florida Asks State Supreme Court To Tank Abortion Ballot Proposal

One million signatures have been gathered to put it to a vote . Well above the threshold, but the DiSantis government is suing to try to stop that vote

I just checked, Florida doesn’t have the initiative and referendum. The only initiative process is for a constitutional amendment or to call for a constitutional convention. So going to court to block it is the correct move. The initiative is illegal. The proper process is to elect pro-abortion legislators and vote in a new law, or propose an amendment.

 

[Lesh]

I just checked, Florida doesn’t have the initiative and referendum. The only initiative process is for a constitutional amendment or to call for a constitutional convention. So going to court to block it is the correct move. The initiative is illegal. The proper process is to elect pro-abortion legislators and vote in a new law, or propose an amendment.

They ARE proposing amendment

 

[mamooth]

Democrats like the idea of substituting ballot initiatives for the actions of the legislatures because they like to take advantage of the stupidity of the masses.

This is the kind of stuff that fascists make up to justify their tyranny of the minority.

Even fascist dumbshits understand that their "majority rule is bad, but minority rule is awesome!" position looks really awful.

So, they have to come up with a different way of justifying imposing minority tyranny. Their solution? Declare that the majority is stupid and immoral, so their wishes should mean nothing. For the good of all people, the superior conservatives ubermenschen must rule over all lesser humans.

Elitism. It's what drives conservativism. In his heart, each conservative considers himself to be your master.

 

[MarathonMike]

Maybe there could be a Federal recommendation on legal abortion. Pick a number maybe 12 weeks gestation max for surgical abortion? Then after that it's only health of the mother or severe fetal issues allowed. Then let the states vote on adopting that or do their own.

 

[Lesh]

Maybe there could be a Federal recommendation on legal abortion. Pick a number maybe 12 weeks gestation max for surgical abortion? Then after that it's only health of the mother or severe fetal issues allowed. Then let the states vote on adopting that or do their own.

But I thought it was a states right issue

The argument seem so changes with the day

You cannot trust Republicans

Ever

 

[OKTexas]

Lesh are you too cowardly to respond to post 18??????????

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[John Edgar Slow Horses]

SCOTUS says it is a states right issue.

 

[Lesh]

It's pretty fucking simple retard, are they reporting on what HAS HAPPENED (past), or what they think WILL HAPPEN (future)??????? Let's see if you have an intellectually honest bone in your commie body. LMAO

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What the fuck are you talking about? The state of Florida is suing to prevent this coming to a vote

Nothing to do with mind reading

What kinda drugs are you on?

 

[Lesh]

The Voice of the People is BY DEFINITION codified by the actions of the legislature. We have a REPRESENTATIVE government, not a "democracy." We elect and pay our legislators to act intelligently on our behalf.

The Founders knew that the general population, acting collectively, is stupid, which is why NO SIGNIFICANT policy decisions are decided by popular vote, under the U.S. Constitution.

Democrats like the idea of substituting ballot initiatives for the actions of the legislatures because they like to take advantage of the stupidity of the masses.

“The stupidity of the masses”

Right

 

[OKTexas]

What the fuck are you talking about? The state of Florida is suing to prevent this coming to a vote

Nothing to do with mind reading

What kinda drugs are you on?

You're acting like it a done deal, it's not.

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[C_Clayton_Jones]

Should it come up for a vote by the people of those individual states?

Well not Florida it seems Florida Asks State Supreme Court To Tank Abortion Ballot Proposal

One million signatures have been gathered to put it to a vote . Well above the threshold, but the DiSantis government is suing to try to stop that vote

Yet another example of the tyranny of Republican minority rule and conservatives’ contempt for the will of the people.

 

[Curried Goats]

Should it come up for a vote by the people of those individual states?

Well not Florida it seems Florida Asks State Supreme Court To Tank Abortion Ballot Proposal

One million signatures have been gathered to put it to a vote . Well above the threshold, but the DiSantis government is suing to try to stop that vote

I think a right to an abortion is covered under the 4th Amendment but that's simply my commonsense reading of the amendment and an understanding that personhood doesn't apply to non thinking, non independent lives, even if they are human lives. That said it'll probably be a States rights issue until we get some federal legislation.

 

[Lesh]

You're acting like it a done deal, it's not.

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The fact that DiSantis is TRYING is the point.

Over turning Roe wasn’t a done deal… until it was

 

[Billiejeens]

Florida Republicans are scared to death of referenda because it takes power away from the statehouse they control and puts it in the hands of the people. No state government is more anti-freedom or anti-democratic than DeSantis’ Florida. Don’t tow the party line? DeSantis is not shy about using state power to get his way. Repubs know that the abortion referendum vote will most likely go against them so they are cutting it off at the knees. The Florida Supreme Court is stacked with conservatives who will most likely strike down the abortion Referendum on some technicality. While it is not guaranteed they will strike it down, chances are greater than 50/50 they will. Let the people decide is not in the Repub playbook.

You are aware that we are a Representative Republic?
That the citizens vote for Representatives to carry out their positions, and that the general public generally does not vote on specific issues (bond referendums and such not included)

 

[Billiejeens]

The Supreme Court left it up to the states to determine the limits for killing the unborn. Why can't the left abide by the decision?

Do they ever just "abide"?

 

[OKTexas]

The fact that DiSantis is TRYING is the point.

Over turning Roe wasn’t a done deal… until it was

You can't blame him, just because a few commies will sign a petition doesn't mean it's good for the State.

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[Independent thinker]

Should it come up for a vote by the people of those individual states?

Well not Florida it seems Florida Asks State Supreme Court To Tank Abortion Ballot Proposal

One million signatures have been gathered to put it to a vote . Well above the threshold, but the DiSantis government is suing to try to stop that vote

You mean that Desantis is trying to take democracy away, like Democrats want to take Trump off the ballot?