Is a Holocaust - Genocide happening in Gaza

[Mortimer]

Is genocide occurring in Gaza?

No genocide is the intentional extermination of a demographic thats not occuring

 

[westwall]

You still haven't addressed genocide by Israel. Do you disagree with the international courts?

That's because there is none.

 

[Shusha]

You still haven't addressed genocide by Israel. Do you disagree with the international courts?

The ICJ has not adjudicated nor formed an opinion on the claim that Israel is guilty or not guilty of the crime of genocide.

 

[Shusha]

Is genocide occurring in Gaza?

No. The acts of military necessity conducted by Israel do not meet the criteria for the crime of genocide and do not demonstrate required specific intent.

 

[kyzina]

Wansee Conference.

You don't even know how to spell Wannsee. Come back when you know something. Anything.

 

[kyzina]

Yeah there is. It happened at the Wansee Conference, and we even have the Minutes from the meeting.

Again, incorrect. No such proclamation came from Wannsee or anywhere else.

 

[kyzina]

This may come as a shock, but I do not personally possess 80 year old government documents from Nazi Germany

Google it

You’re on the ******* internet as we speak

Funniest thick irony I've seen all season.

 

[kyzina]

There was no "extermination." There is no known document saying the Germans wanted to "exterminate" such people.

Two users have attempted to contradict this, but they failed. Anyone else?

 

[kyzina]

Yes there is there is even old film material

Not talking about movies, captain.

 

[westwall]

Again, incorrect. No such proclamation came from Wannsee or anywhere else.

Oh? What was discussed in the Conference? We have the actual Minutes of the conference. What were they planning?

Be specific.

 

[kyzina]

Oh? What was discussed in the Conference? We have the actual Minutes of the conference. What were they planning?

Be specific.

You made the claim. Burden of evidence is on you. Be specific.

 

[westwall]

You made the claim. Burden of evidence is on you. Be specific.

You said it didn't. I know what was discussed. You do too.

Makes you a liar.

 

[kyzina]

You said it didn't. I know what was discussed. You do too.

Makes you a liar.

Show me where it was discussed and implemented.

 

[kyzina]

Moving on. Wiesenthal lied about making up the 6 million number. A Jewish scholar and advocate who studies this called him out on it. But The Weasel was known for his many lies and embellishments anyway.


https://jewishchronicle.timesofisra...ated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians/

‘Remember the 11 million’? Why an inflated victims tally irks Holocaust historians

News and views from the Jewish community in Pittsburgh, PA

jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com

 

[cnm]

Fair enough, the courts have only issued arrest warrants for war crimes so far, they do grind pretty slowly, it's just the major world body that has found Israel to be committing genocide. The perpetrator and the enabler disagree. And random Serbs.

Funny that.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds

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GENEVA – Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel said in a new report today. The Commission urges Israel and all States to fulfil their legal obligations under international law to end the genocide and punish those responsible for it.​

[...]​

Explicit statements by Israeli civilian and military authorities and the pattern of conduct of the Israeli security forces indicate that the genocidal acts were committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip as a group.​

 

[cnm]

No genocide is the intentional extermination of a demographic thats not occuring

Sad. Is that what AI tells you in pillow talk?

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Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide​

Article II​

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: ​

2. Killing members of the group;
4. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
6. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
8. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
10. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Elements of the crime​

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The Genocide Convention establishes in Article I that the crime of genocide may take place in the context of an armed conflict, international or non-international, but also in the context of a peaceful situation. The latter is less common but still possible. The same article establishes the obligation of the contracting parties to prevent and to punish the crime of genocide.​

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The popular understanding of what constitutes genocide tends to be broader than the content of the norm under international law. Article II of the Genocide Convention contains a narrow definition of the crime of genocide, which includes two main elements: ​

2. A mental element: the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such"; and
4. A physical element, which includes the following five acts, enumerated exhaustively:
   
   • Killing members of the group
   • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
   • Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
   • Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
   • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

The intent is the most difficult element to determine. To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group. It is this special intent, or dolus specialis, that makes the crime of genocide so unique. In addition, case law has associated intent with the existence of a State or organizational plan or policy, even if the definition of genocide in international law does not include that element.​

​

Importantly, the victims of genocide are deliberately targeted - not randomly – because of their real or perceived membership of one of the four groups protected under the Convention (which excludes political groups, for example). This means that the target of destruction must be the group, as such, and not its members as individuals. Genocide can also be committed against only a part of the group, as long as that part is identifiable (including within a geographically limited area) and “substantial.”​

 

[cnm]

Original Likud Party Platform​

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'between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.'​

 

[frigidweirdo]

Asks the self hating polynesian/Maori cnm

Mortimer's opinion:

No not like the Holocaust

Differences:

-The Holocaust was industrial large scale extermination because of suppossed racial otherness without any rockets or armed jews attacking the germans first or a war between jews and germans
-in israel arabs are not by law excluded from citizenship political participation and marriage with israelis (maybe there are some restrictions in religious marriage but so are in Islam, a muslima cannot marry a non muslim man) but its not racial if the hebrew is Christian there is no restrictions
- Israel warns civilians before they strike in Gaza the nazis never warned jews they did wanted to exterminate them


Etc Etc

So while the Israeli strikes are a excessive use of military force and should soften hardliners they are not a Holocaust

During this period, after Hamas attacked Israel, the population of Palestine has risen. So... not really a holocaust or genocide.

Was this war any more brutal than, say, WW2? Not really. Even the British and Americans did things that now would be considered really bad. The US bombed towns and cities for no apparent reason.

 

[Mortimer]

Sad. Is that what AI tells you in pillow talk?

​

Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide​

Article II​

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: ​

2. Killing members of the group;
4. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
6. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
8. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
10. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Elements of the crime​

​

The Genocide Convention establishes in Article I that the crime of genocide may take place in the context of an armed conflict, international or non-international, but also in the context of a peaceful situation. The latter is less common but still possible. The same article establishes the obligation of the contracting parties to prevent and to punish the crime of genocide.​

​

The popular understanding of what constitutes genocide tends to be broader than the content of the norm under international law. Article II of the Genocide Convention contains a narrow definition of the crime of genocide, which includes two main elements: ​

2. A mental element: the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such"; and
3. • Killing members of the group
   • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
   • Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
   • Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
   • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

The intent is the most difficult element to determine. To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group. It is this special intent, or dolus specialis, that makes the crime of genocide so unique. In addition, case law has associated intent with the existence of a State or organizational plan or policy, even if the definition of genocide in international law does not include that element.​

​

Importantly, the victims of genocide are deliberately targeted - not randomly – because of their real or perceived membership of one of the four groups protected under the Convention (which excludes political groups, for example). This means that the target of destruction must be the group, as such, and not its members as individuals. Genocide can also be committed against only a part of the group, as long as that part is identifiable (including within a geographically limited area) and “substantial.”​

'killing members of the group'
'mentally harming members of the group'

Is exactly what hamas did to jews and hostages

Right or wrong?

Be once in your life honest

 

[Mortimer]

Original Likud Party Platform​

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'between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.'​

You repost this from the previous page i adressed this already but do you know that this the original arab slogan just not that state souveriegnity will be established but that there will be no jews does your micky mouse brain sees a differences?