Irrefutable legal arguments supporting the right of secession

[Unkotare]

Wannabe Johnny reb never seems to tire of humiliating himself.

 

[paperview]

Image of what a coward with a firearm can accomplish.

Actually that's the image of a man who failed to escape the cycle of fraternal bloodshed he inflicted on the rest of the country. It's kinda like somebody who burns to death in a forest fire he started. You don't feel sorry for somebody like that.

You really are quite fucked in the head.

Seriously fucked.

You're through one who admires a mass murderer, but he's fucked in the head?

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And you're just as fucked in the head as he is.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

For those of you who think secession is "illegal". Why didn't Lincoln just file suit against the confederacy? Thats how legal issues are resolved.

this whole thread is just foolish. Secession has nothing to do with legality.

It has nothing to do with 'think,' it is a fact of settled and accepted Constitutional law that 'secession' is un-Constitutional.

Otherwise, your 'question' exhibits the ignorance of the Constitution and its case law common to you and most others on the right.

I love how you twats think that case law is absolute. The states can abolish the Supreme Court and every decision it ever made if they want to. Seceding states are not subject to Supreme Court decisions.

Really? Can your county secede from your state?

I'm sure the rest of Idaho would greatly appreciate it. Ada County is one of the only two blue counties in the state.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Wannabe Johnny reb never seems to tire of humiliating himself.

 

[thanatos144]

Image of what a coward with a firearm can accomplish.

Now imagine a Democrat standing behind a taxpayer and you're starting to get it

That was a Democrat pulling the trigger

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[thanatos144]

For those of you who think secession is "illegal". Why didn't Lincoln just file suit against the confederacy? Thats how legal issues are resolved.

this whole thread is just foolish. Secession has nothing to do with legality.

Because Lincoln wasn't president yet and the war started before he even hit Washington

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[thanatos144]

Okay so if invading the South was out of bounds, why did Lee invade the North? As you might recall, the decisive battle of the Civil War was fought in Pennsylvania.

That was after the initial invasion, skid mark.

There was no invasion dipshit the war was already started by the democrat south

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[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Image of what a coward with a firearm can accomplish.

Now imagine a Democrat standing behind a taxpayer and you're starting to get it

That was a Democrat pulling the trigger

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Yes it was. So?

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Okay so if invading the South was out of bounds, why did Lee invade the North? As you might recall, the decisive battle of the Civil War was fought in Pennsylvania.

That was after the initial invasion, skid mark.

There was no invasion dipshit the war was already started by the democrat south

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You should read the thread. That's already been argued over and over and soundly trounced. I'm not going over it again with yet another mindless troll.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

For those of you who think secession is "illegal". Why didn't Lincoln just file suit against the confederacy? Thats how legal issues are resolved.

this whole thread is just foolish. Secession has nothing to do with legality.

Because Lincoln wasn't president yet and the war started before he even hit Washington

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Really? Some other president ordered 75,000 troops to invade?

 

[kaz]

Image of what a coward with a firearm can accomplish.

Now imagine a Democrat standing behind a taxpayer and you're starting to get it

That was a Democrat pulling the trigger

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Um...yes...that's what I said...

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

For those of you who think secession is "illegal". Why didn't Lincoln just file suit against the confederacy? Thats how legal issues are resolved.

this whole thread is just foolish. Secession has nothing to do with legality.

Because Lincoln wasn't president yet and the war started before he even hit Washington

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Wrong again, as usual.

Lincoln became president March 4, 1861.

The Civil War began April 12, 1861.

 

[kaz]

Okay so if invading the South was out of bounds, why did Lee invade the North? As you might recall, the decisive battle of the Civil War was fought in Pennsylvania.

That was after the initial invasion, skid mark.

There was no invasion dipshit the war was already started by the democrat south

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That's ridiculous, why would the South have invaded the north first?

 

[paperview]

For those of you who think secession is "illegal". Why didn't Lincoln just file suit against the confederacy? Thats how legal issues are resolved.

this whole thread is just foolish. Secession has nothing to do with legality.

Because Lincoln wasn't president yet and the war started before he even hit Washington

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Wrong again, as usual.

Lincoln became president March 4, 1861.

The Civil War began April 12, 1861.

The war officially started on April 12.

In December of 1860, the South started seizing forts and in the just the first week of January '61, had commenced blasting cannons on US property...along with scooping up --I mean stealing - federal buildings and ships in the South and committing Acts of War.

Some states even before they seceded.

 

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In West Point, they teach the firing on the Union ship Star of the West as the real start of the war.


Buchanan was President and he was trying to resupply Sumter.


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The South fired upon the Union Steamship Star of the West

Star of the West

Note the date on the Harpers Weekly newspaper: January, 1861, linked above.
THE FIRST OF THE WAR.

"WE publish herewith pictures of the United States steam-sloop Brooklyn, and of the steamship Star of the West, and of the steamship Marion, which three vessels figured so prominently in the movements of last week; and on page 37 we give a large plan of Charleston harbor, showing the forts, etc., together with a view of Fort Johnson. These pictures will enable our readers to realize what is going on in this most memorable contest of the present age.

On Wednesday morning, January 9, 1861, the

first shots were fired At daybreak on that morning at the steamship Star of the West, with 250 United States troops on board, attempted to enter the harbor of Charleston for the purpose of communicating with Fort Sumter

The people of Charleston had been warned of her coming and of her errand by telegraph. They determined to prevent her reaching Fort Sumter. Accordingly, as soon as she came within range, batteries on Morris Island and at Fort Moultrie opened on her. The first shot was fired across her bows ;

whereupon she increased her speed, and hoisted the stars and stripes. Other shots were then fired in rapid succession from Morris Island, two or more of which hulled the steamer, and compelled her to put about and go to sea.

The accompanying picture shows the Star of the West as she entered Charleston harbor; the plan will explain the situation of the forts, and the position of the steamer when she was fired upon. The channel through which she passed runs close by Morris Island for some distance.
Fort Sumter made no demonstration, except at the port-holes, where guns were run out bearing on Morris Island."

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

For those of you who think secession is "illegal". Why didn't Lincoln just file suit against the confederacy? Thats how legal issues are resolved.

this whole thread is just foolish. Secession has nothing to do with legality.

Because Lincoln wasn't president yet and the war started before he even hit Washington

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Wrong again, as usual.

Lincoln became president March 4, 1861.

The Civil War began April 12, 1861.

Wow. Bashing a fellow Leftist. Just, wow.

 

[Bombur]

Holy analogy fail Batman!

To say Lincoln didn't give a damn about the slaves is comically ignorant.

Your "facts" are so far from reality you might as well just claim that Lincoln was an alien from outer space.

What evidence is there that Lincoln gave a damn about the slaves?

Lincoln Douglas debates are a good place to start but there is plenty of other examples of his position. There is also the point of view of the South which is also very important.

The Lincoln-Douglass debates prove your claim is wrong. Please post an example that proves Lincoln gave a damn about the slaves.

"This declared indifference, but, as I must think, covert real zeal for the spread of slavery, I cannot but hate. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world—enables the enemies of free institutions, with plausibility, to taunt us as hypocrites—causes the real friends of freedom to doubt our sincerity, and especially because it forces so many really good men amongst ourselves into an open war with the very fundamental principles of civil liberty—criticizing the Declaration of Independence, and insisting that there is no right principle of action but self-interest."

And yet he promised repeatedly not to abolish slavery, otherwise he would never have been elected. Herr Lincoln Uber Alles was first, last, and foremost a politician who ran for office several times until he found the magic words to win. Like Obama, he lacked even an ounce of geniune character. It's all a light show and suckers like you fall for it every time.

In order to preserve the union. Once the South rebelled he changed his plan because it no longer made sense. He didn't hide his feelings towards slavery when he was campaigning, but he campaigned on a solution to slavery that didn't involve war. War was thrust upon him by the south.

Lincoln had incredible character. He was incredibly clear in his arguments which were often presented concisely and logically. This can be hard for people like yourself who are not logical thinkers but emotional ones.

 

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In order to preserve the union. Once the South rebelled he changed his plan because it no longer made sense. He didn't hide his feelings towards slavery when he was campaigning, but he campaigned on a solution to slavery that didn't involve war. War was thrust upon him by the south.

Lincoln had incredible character. He was incredibly clear in his arguments which were often presented concisely and logically. This can be hard for people like yourself who are not logical thinkers but emotional ones.

So true.
Yes. Reading his words in the Lincoln Douglass debates or his Copper Union speech are a thing to behold.

He was exceptionally eloquent and unlike some 18th and 19th century statesmen, he reads very easy and fluidly.

The man was incredibly brilliant.

 

[bripat9643]

What evidence is there that Lincoln gave a damn about the slaves?

Lincoln Douglas debates are a good place to start but there is plenty of other examples of his position. There is also the point of view of the South which is also very important.

The Lincoln-Douglass debates prove your claim is wrong. Please post an example that proves Lincoln gave a damn about the slaves.

"This declared indifference, but, as I must think, covert real zeal for the spread of slavery, I cannot but hate. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world—enables the enemies of free institutions, with plausibility, to taunt us as hypocrites—causes the real friends of freedom to doubt our sincerity, and especially because it forces so many really good men amongst ourselves into an open war with the very fundamental principles of civil liberty—criticizing the Declaration of Independence, and insisting that there is no right principle of action but self-interest."

And yet he promised repeatedly not to abolish slavery, otherwise he would never have been elected. Herr Lincoln Uber Alles was first, last, and foremost a politician who ran for office several times until he found the magic words to win. Like Obama, he lacked even an ounce of geniune character. It's all a light show and suckers like you fall for it every time.

Mr. Saint, you are little man that will not be remembered for even the time it takes for the daises to bloom on your resting place. Lincoln will be remembered for longer than even the US exists.

So will Adolph Hitler.

 

[bripat9643]

Image of what a coward with a firearm can accomplish.

Now imagine a Democrat standing behind a taxpayer and you're starting to get it

Democracy is murder?

Do you have a better system?

Democracy often is murder. Remember Waco?