Iraq is imploding. Should we lend air support or wash our hands?

[tinydancer]

If they are fighting each other, they aren't focusing on US. Let them handle their own business or let them request help from the UN and let OTHER countries "help" them. We need a break and WE need to focus on America first.

It's quite foolish to assume that these guys aren't focused on doing us harm. Just look at how they responded to the Bergdahl trade. They vowed to start abducting Americans for ransom in exchange for their own fighters.

Obama's foreign policy on Iraq is like putting a pot of water on a rolling boil, then putting it on simmer in hopes it will stop boiling altogether.

Oh this leader is a piece of work. Check this out. Even the left wing rag WP describes him as formidable.

“The true heir to Osama bin Laden may be ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi,” wrote The Washington Post’s David Ignatius. He is “more violent, more virulent, more anti-American,” a senior U.S. intelligence official told the columnist, while the cautious and uncharismatic Zawahiri “is not coping well.”

In fact, Baghdadi is now recruiting fighters from other Zawahiri affiliates, including al-Qaeda’s Yemen branch and the Somalia-based al-Shabab.

This monster is enormously successful.

“Whereas Baghdadi has done an amazing amount — he has captured cities, he has mobilized huge amounts of people, he is killing ruthlessly throughout Iraq and Syria…. If you were a guy who wanted action, you would go with Baghdadi.”

How ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi became the world?s most powerful jihadist leader - The Washington Post

 

[Pheonixops]

The terrorists are now marching on Bagdad. The Iraq government is asking for help, should we oblige?
Seems strange to me that we would spend all the money & lives just to let it fall in a matter of weeks/months.

That's the problem. Republicans see everyone they are against as "terrorists". If they weren't such education tards, the Middle East wouldn't be in the mess it's in.

Iran is Shiite.

Iraq was controlled by a Sunni minority. True, al Qaeda is Sunni, but Bin Laden and Saddam were enemies because both wanted to be leaders of the Sunni.

When Bush invaded Iraq, he opened the doors for al Qaeda to enter Iraq. Worse, in his tarded ignorance and refusal of any help from experts in the Muslim Religion, he installed a mostly Shiite government which is why the Iraqi government is such close friends with Iran.

The Sunni, who had been in charge of Iraq for the last 13 centuries were disenfranchised by the US installed and backed Shiite government.

Now they are fighting back, taking back territory they believe is theirs with the help of al Qaeda, the organization that attacked the US when headed by Bin Laden, the guy Republicans let go and stopped looking for.

In their ignorance and shallow bully minds, Republicans couldn't have made a bigger disaster than if they had planned it out all in advance.

They turned over the apple cart.
Fucked over millions of people (not even counting what they let happen to Iraqi Christians)
Ignored al Qaeda
Let Bin Laden go
Created the worst possible government

Even helped the Iraqi's put this into their constitution:

Article 2:

First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:

A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.

Full Text of Iraqi Constitution

In fact, the ONLY thing I can think of they did to help Iraq was to make sure it had a single payer health care system, something they won't allow here.

And you wonder why thinking people are angry at the GOP????

When you kill innocent men, women and children you are a terrorist no matter what the looney left says

LOL, that means that a lot of countries would fit the above criteria. If some country does a sortie to take out a city and innocents are killed, that would pretty much fit the bill. Show me once country that has gone to war or gone to conflict, where innocents weren't killed.

 

[Samson]

The terrorists are now marching on Bagdad. The Iraq government is asking for help, should we oblige?
Seems strange to me that we would spend all the money & lives just to let it fall in a matter of weeks/months.

If they are fighting each other, they aren't focusing on US. Let them handle their own business or let them request help from the UN and let OTHER countries "help" them. We need a break and WE need to focus on America first.

Would you keep spending money on a bad investment or would you cut your losses and spend that money on something more productive? I certainly wouldn't want to risk Our people's lives for them? What was one of the reasons that we totally pulled out of Iraq? Didn't it involve the Iraqi government's reluctance to grant immunity to Our military members who would still remain there?

With all due respect Phoenix Ops we are not dealing with a Sunni insurgency as so many on the left tried to portray this invasion of Iraq earlier today.

Oh no no no. We are talking a terrorist army of reportedly 12,000 who had the ability to over run Tikrit and Mosul scoring $400 million plus along the way to now become the richest terror group on the planet.

They are ISIS and Levant whose leader makes Bin Laden look as tough as Liberace. We are talking pure kick ass psycho rock star of terrorists. His name is Baghdadi.

On the bright side while Obama has been dithering, Iran has come to the rescue of the Iraqi people and most importantly are helping to defend Baghdad.

You have to realize that if this terrorist army truly seizes Iraq and is able to plunder Baghdad for her wealth, destroy the oil fields, have access to all the military hardware we gave Iraq, well hell will rain down on the planet.

So, you're saying the attackers are not Sunni?

What sect are they?

ISIL fanatics are hardline followers of the Sunni Muslim creed. They despise Iraq’s leadership - as well as the majority of the country’s population - who follow the Shia version of the faith.

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[eagle1462010]

According to articles I've read 90,000 Iraqi Troops deserted. If they refuse to fight for their own country even after we've armed them, then they are hopeless..............

Hopefully some of them will have enough back bone to fight back, but so far it doesn't appear so.

 

[Katzndogz]

Didn't we have that leader in custody and release him? We just let five more just like him go too.

 

[Pheonixops]

Yeah. Obama wanted to end this war prematurely, and did. He ran on the fact that he brought the troops home in 2012. So, now he finds himself in a conundrum. Stick to his political rhetoric, or risk angering his base by helping the Iraqis.

"In late April 2007 Congress passed a supplementary spending bill for Iraq that set a deadline for troop withdrawal but President Bush vetoed this bill soon afterwards.[9][10] All American military forces were mandated to withdraw from Iraqi territory by 31 December 2011 under the terms of a bilateral agreement signed in 2008 by President Bush. The last U.S. troops left Iraq on 18 December 2011"

"As reported on Saturday, October 15, 2011, the Obama Administration proceeded with the plan to withdraw American forces from Iraq (barring some last-minute move in the Iraqi parliament when they returned from a break in late November 2011 shortly before the end-of-the-year withdrawal date) because of concerns that they would not have be given immunity from Iraqi courts, a concern for American commanders in the field who also had to worry about the Sadrist response should troops stay and the general state of Iraq's readiness for transfer of power"

 

[Pheonixops]

If they are fighting each other, they aren't focusing on US. Let them handle their own business or let them request help from the UN and let OTHER countries "help" them. We need a break and WE need to focus on America first.

It's quite foolish to assume that these guys aren't focused on doing us harm. Just look at how they responded to the Bergdahl trade. They vowed to start abducting Americans for ransom in exchange for their own fighters.

Obama's foreign policy on Iraq is like putting a pot of water on a rolling boil, then putting it on simmer in hopes it will stop boiling altogether.

No, it's not foolish at all. If they are fighting and killing each other in their country, they aren't concerned about us now. You are mixing up the Iraqis and the Afghans. That has been their goal all along.

How did Obama make Iraq get into a boil? He didn't initiate the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

 

[Pheonixops]

The terrorists are now marching on Bagdad. The Iraq government is asking for help, should we oblige?
Seems strange to me that we would spend all the money & lives just to let it fall in a matter of weeks/months.

If they are fighting each other, they aren't focusing on US. Let them handle their own business or let them request help from the UN and let OTHER countries "help" them. We need a break and WE need to focus on America first.

Would you keep spending money on a bad investment or would you cut your losses and spend that money on something more productive? I certainly wouldn't want to risk Our people's lives for them? What was one of the reasons that we totally pulled out of Iraq? Didn't it involve the Iraqi government's reluctance to grant immunity to Our military members who would still remain there?

With all due respect Phoenix Ops we are not dealing with a Sunni insurgency as so many on the left tried to portray this invasion of Iraq earlier today.

Oh no no no. We are talking a terrorist army of reportedly 12,000 who had the ability to over run Tikrit and Mosul scoring $400 million plus along the way to now become the richest terror group on the planet.

They are ISIS and Levant whose leader makes Bin Laden look as tough as Liberace. We are talking pure kick ass psycho rock star of terrorists. His name is Baghdadi.

On the bright side while Obama has been dithering, Iran has come to the rescue of the Iraqi people and most importantly are helping to defend Baghdad.

You have to realize that if this terrorist army truly seizes Iraq and is able to plunder Baghdad for her wealth, destroy the oil fields, have access to all the military hardware we gave Iraq, well hell will rain down on the planet.

Tiny, I don't care if it's a Shiite or Sunni "insurgency", the fact is that they are killing each other and if those folks do win and take over Iraq, we will take care of business if they try to harm us.

 

[Steinlight]

If they are fighting each other, they aren't focusing on US. Let them handle their own business or let them request help from the UN and let OTHER countries "help" them. We need a break and WE need to focus on America first.

It's quite foolish to assume that these guys aren't focused on doing us harm. Just look at how they responded to the Bergdahl trade. They vowed to start abducting Americans for ransom in exchange for their own fighters.

Obama's foreign policy on Iraq is like putting a pot of water on a rolling boil, then putting it on simmer in hopes it will stop boiling altogether.

No, it's not foolish at all. If they are fighting and killing each other in their country, they aren't concerned about us now. You are mixing up the Iraqis and the Afghans. That has been their goal all along.

How did Obama make Iraq get into a boil? He didn't initiate the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

If it weren't for Obama funding and supplying islamists(al nusra and isis) in Syria, this civil war in Iraq would not be occurring. Without US support these radical islamists who have now spilled into Iraq from the Syria would not exist as they would have been liquidated by Assad long ago.

Bush bares the blame for the establishment of the weak puppet government in Iraq, Obama bares the responsibility for its overthrow. Both administrations have royally screwed Iraq.

The only thing we should do is stay out of it and pull funding for the islamist rebels now pouring into Iraq from Syria. If we can stem the flow of weapons to these radicals they might be able to be neutralized once and for all by the Iraqi and Syrian Governments.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Fucking lie this: "If it weren't for Obama funding and supplying islamists(al nusra and isis) in Syria, this civil war in Iraq would not be occurring." A great part of the problem are the 150 fighters that rejoined the jihadists after Bush released them.

We can't really slow them down, but Iraq is getting assistance and probably some troops very shortly from Iran.

Let's send Bush to The Hague now.

 

[paulitician]

It's quite foolish to assume that these guys aren't focused on doing us harm. Just look at how they responded to the Bergdahl trade. They vowed to start abducting Americans for ransom in exchange for their own fighters.

Obama's foreign policy on Iraq is like putting a pot of water on a rolling boil, then putting it on simmer in hopes it will stop boiling altogether.

No, it's not foolish at all. If they are fighting and killing each other in their country, they aren't concerned about us now. You are mixing up the Iraqis and the Afghans. That has been their goal all along.

How did Obama make Iraq get into a boil? He didn't initiate the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

If it weren't for Obama funding and supplying islamists(al nusra and isis) in Syria, this civil war in Iraq would not be occurring. Without US support these radical islamists who have now spilled into Iraq from the Syria would not exist as they would have been liquidated by Assad long ago.

Bush bares the blame for the establishment of the weak puppet government in Iraq, Obama bares the responsibility for its overthrow. Both administrations have royally screwed Iraq.

The only thing we should do is stay out of it and pull funding for the islamist rebels now pouring into Iraq from Syria. If we can stem the flow of weapons to these radicals they might be able to be neutralized once and for all by the Iraqi and Syrian Governments.

Wise analysis. If not for Putin and Russia, these brutal Terrorists would have already taken Syria. Obama got it all wrong. He shouldn't have funded & armed 'Rebels' in Syria. The Blow Back on that has begun. No free pass for him on this. He's had a hand in it.

 

[Steinlight]

If they are fighting each other, they aren't focusing on US. Let them handle their own business or let them request help from the UN and let OTHER countries "help" them. We need a break and WE need to focus on America first.

Would you keep spending money on a bad investment or would you cut your losses and spend that money on something more productive? I certainly wouldn't want to risk Our people's lives for them? What was one of the reasons that we totally pulled out of Iraq? Didn't it involve the Iraqi government's reluctance to grant immunity to Our military members who would still remain there?

With all due respect Phoenix Ops we are not dealing with a Sunni insurgency as so many on the left tried to portray this invasion of Iraq earlier today.

Oh no no no. We are talking a terrorist army of reportedly 12,000 who had the ability to over run Tikrit and Mosul scoring $400 million plus along the way to now become the richest terror group on the planet.

They are ISIS and Levant whose leader makes Bin Laden look as tough as Liberace. We are talking pure kick ass psycho rock star of terrorists. His name is Baghdadi.

On the bright side while Obama has been dithering, Iran has come to the rescue of the Iraqi people and most importantly are helping to defend Baghdad.

You have to realize that if this terrorist army truly seizes Iraq and is able to plunder Baghdad for her wealth, destroy the oil fields, have access to all the military hardware we gave Iraq, well hell will rain down on the planet.

Tiny, I don't care if it's a Shiite or Sunni "insurgency", the fact is that they are killing each other and if those folks do win and take over Iraq, we will take care of business if they try to harm us.

I know you don't care, you are a typical ignorant American, you can't bother to discern the mass difference in cultures between sunni and shia and the mass difference in outcome between the Al Maliki government defeating ISIS and ISIS, who are radical islamists, taking over a country with the second largest oil reserves in the region. Not only would they have a base for terrorist operations globally, they would have monetary base with oil resources to finance islamists in Syria, Chechnya, Somalia, Nigeria, Pakistan, Afghanistan etc. And this is all do the short sighted and interventionist policy of the Obama Administration backing islamists in Syria.

 

[Zander]

At this point, I think we need to let the allah-monkeys fight and kill each other. Allahu Ahkbar!!

 

[paulitician]

Looks like Iran and Al Qaeda are the big winners in this. The American People certainly aren't. I think that's all that needs to be said at this point.

 

[Steinlight]

Fucking lie this: "If it weren't for Obama funding and supplying islamists(al nusra and isis) in Syria, this civil war in Iraq would not be occurring." A great part of the problem are the 150 fighters that rejoined the jihadists after Bush released them.

We can't really slow them down, but Iraq is getting assistance and probably some troops very shortly from Iran.

Let's send Bush to The Hague now.

You are the only fucking liar here. You are a fucking hack covering up American Government Crimes and Blunders in the Middle East. Neo-Libs, Neo-Cons you are all the same. You are pricks who think your shit doesn't stink and think you guys are immune to global blowback. You have no conception of cause and effect and no understanding of the region or its history.

And it is well established the US backed these Islamists. With President Nobel Peace Prize backing these guys they would have never gotten in a position to overthrow the government of Iraq.


CIA begins weapons delivery to Syrian rebels - The Washington Post

Syrian rebels seen firing U.S.-made weapons raises questions - TIME

US reportedly starts supplying Syrian rebels with anti-tank weapons ? RT USA

U.S., Britain suspend aid to north Syria after Islamists seize weapons store | Reuters


The Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria: Two Arab countries fall apart | The Economist

U.S. providing some lethal aid to Syrian rebels: opposition spokesman | Reuters

» Susan Rice Admits U.S. Giving Arms to Al-Qaeda in Syria Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Send Obama to the Hague as well.

 

[Kondor3]

Fucking lie this: "If it weren't for Obama funding and supplying islamists(al nusra and isis) in Syria, this civil war in Iraq would not be occurring." A great part of the problem are the 150 fighters that rejoined the jihadists after Bush released them.

We can't really slow them down, but Iraq is getting assistance and probably some troops very shortly from Iran.

Let's send Bush to The Hague now.

Do they have the jurisdictional competency to try him?

 

[tinydancer]

If they are fighting each other, they aren't focusing on US. Let them handle their own business or let them request help from the UN and let OTHER countries "help" them. We need a break and WE need to focus on America first.

Would you keep spending money on a bad investment or would you cut your losses and spend that money on something more productive? I certainly wouldn't want to risk Our people's lives for them? What was one of the reasons that we totally pulled out of Iraq? Didn't it involve the Iraqi government's reluctance to grant immunity to Our military members who would still remain there?

With all due respect Phoenix Ops we are not dealing with a Sunni insurgency as so many on the left tried to portray this invasion of Iraq earlier today.

Oh no no no. We are talking a terrorist army of reportedly 12,000 who had the ability to over run Tikrit and Mosul scoring $400 million plus along the way to now become the richest terror group on the planet.

They are ISIS and Levant whose leader makes Bin Laden look as tough as Liberace. We are talking pure kick ass psycho rock star of terrorists. His name is Baghdadi.

On the bright side while Obama has been dithering, Iran has come to the rescue of the Iraqi people and most importantly are helping to defend Baghdad.

You have to realize that if this terrorist army truly seizes Iraq and is able to plunder Baghdad for her wealth, destroy the oil fields, have access to all the military hardware we gave Iraq, well hell will rain down on the planet.

So, you're saying the attackers are not Sunni?

What sect are they?

ISIL fanatics are hardline followers of the Sunni Muslim creed. They despise Iraq’s leadership - as well as the majority of the country’s population - who follow the Shia version of the faith.

Read more: Blood-soaked fanatics who make Al Qaeda look amateur | Mail Online
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Oh of course they are Sunni.

But what was being posted earlier today was a spin that these guys that were beheading their way to Baghdad were Mohammed six pack Sunnis who just decided to take over a couple of towns yesterday.



The spin didn't work.These terrorists are hard core and their leader did pull of conquering Tikrit and Mosul.

 

[paulitician]

Obama was ill-advised on the Syrian conflict. He ended up funding & arming the animals who are now wreaking havoc in Iraq. Assad was the safer pick. Putin had it right. Much bloodier times are ahead over there. Even if Obama decides to bomb the Rebels, it won't solve the problem. The Sunni Rebels aren't going away. It is what it is.

 

[tinydancer]

Fucking lie this: "If it weren't for Obama funding and supplying islamists(al nusra and isis) in Syria, this civil war in Iraq would not be occurring." A great part of the problem are the 150 fighters that rejoined the jihadists after Bush released them.

We can't really slow them down, but Iraq is getting assistance and probably some troops very shortly from Iran.

Let's send Bush to The Hague now.

Jake, Obama gave weaponry to the so called rebels for the non existent "Syrian Spring".

These so called rebels couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag and the big guns hit the ground running in Syria and took everything you gave them. Terrorists

They beat the snot out of them and the only one who is keeping these monsters at bay is Assad.

You know. The leader that Obama wanted so desperately removed from office his was willing to turn a blind eye to ISIS and Levant amassing a terrorist army that reportedly numbers 12,000 plus.

AND a big part of the narrative of this administration to get re elected was to declare AQ on the run, decimated and defeated.

Which we who don't suck on a certain part of the President's anatomy realized it was an unadulterated lie from the White House aka The Home of the Whopper.

 

[tinydancer]

Obama was ill-advised on the Syrian conflict. He ended up funding & arming the animals who are now wreaking havoc in Iraq. Assad was the safer pick. Putin had it right. Much bloodier times are ahead over there. Even if Obama decides to bomb the Rebels, it won't solve the problem. The Sunni Rebels aren't going away. It is what it is.

I'm sitting here hoping to see a tweet from Assad to Obama.

I told you they were terrorists you asshole.