Bull Ring Invitiation to TemplarKormac/Porter Rockwell/Iamwhatiseem/Freyasman: An Informal Debate on Race Relations in the United States Including Its History

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I'd like to start at the beginning so we all can understand the foundation this system was built on.
 

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Me too. I'm signing off for the night, though.

Look forward to seeing y'all tomorrow.
 
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Okay, then at this point, we have the following invitee's who have accept the invitation:
IamwhoIseem
Porter Rockerwell
Freyasman
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I have also issued an invitation to eagle1462010

Again the only rules are no insults/personal attacks and any core claims made should be backed up with reputable citations. Also that they not stray too far off the stated topic.
 

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I'm in. Am I on the list to speak, or just sit and observe?
 
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Everyone who received an invitation is allowed to participate. I guess the only thing we may still need to determine is if we need someone to act as judge or if the goal is even to have a winner. My goal is to have an open and honest discussion even if it ends with us having to agree to disagree. Generally I am swayed by the person who makes the best argument generally especially if they do so with supporting documentation.
 

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Everyone who received an invitation is allowed to participate. I guess the only thing we may still need to determine is if we need someone to act as judge or if the goal is even to have a winner. My goal is to have an open and honest discussion even if it ends with us having to agree to disagree. Generally I am swayed by the person who makes the best argument generally especially if they do so with supporting documentation.
Where are you going to find a judge that isn't going to be considered full of shit by at least 50% of the attendees?
 

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What I hope to discuss is although the United States was founded by white suprmacist and has taken some strides to atone for it's racist past, racism is still very much a problem in this country largely due, in my opinion to the conditions under which it was established.

There are only two rules: That you back up any core claim you make with reputable citations and no insults/personal attacks.

This invitation was prompted by every single one of the above invitees in the title insisting that the black members of this site are all racist and Freyasman claiming superior intelligence over IM2 and Asclepias. Additionally Templarkormac has claimed that the United States is not racist, Porter Rockwell has insisted that the United States was intended only for white people and their descendants, Iamwhatiseems apparently believes that because he is married to a Mexican that he can't be racists towards blacks and freyasman in the one thread I have interacted with him has indicated that he routinely assaults black people who he finds to be loud and presumably of a lower class.
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" What I hope to discuss is although the United States was founded by white suprmacist and has taken some strides to atone for it's racist past, racism is still very much a problem in this country largely due, in my opinion to the conditions under which it was established. "

I disagree the US has taken strides to atone for its racist past. In fact racism is the engine that drives the US. What some may see as atonement has always resulted in whites benefiting either immediately or later when legislation is put into place to give whites a head start. In short the methods may change but the goal of racism remains the same. Benefit whites at all costs to the detriment of Blacks.
 

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What I hope to discuss is although the United States was founded by white suprmacist and has taken some strides to atone for it's racist past, racism is still very much a problem in this country largely due, in my opinion to the conditions under which it was established.

There are only two rules: That you back up any core claim you make with reputable citations and no insults/personal attacks.

This invitation was prompted by every single one of the above invitees in the title insisting that the black members of this site are all racist and Freyasman claiming superior intelligence over IM2 and Asclepias. Additionally Templarkormac has claimed that the United States is not racist, Porter Rockwell has insisted that the United States was intended only for white people and their descendants, Iamwhatiseems apparently believes that because he is married to a Mexican that he can't be racists towards blacks and freyasman in the one thread I have interacted with him has indicated that he routinely assaults black people who he finds to be loud and presumably of a lower class.
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" What I hope to discuss is although the United States was founded by white suprmacist and has taken some strides to atone for it's racist past, racism is still very much a problem in this country largely due, in my opinion to the conditions under which it was established. "

I disagree the US has taken strides to atone for its racist past. In fact racism is the engine that drives the US. What some may see as atonement has always resulted in whites benefiting either immediately or later when legislation is put into place to give whites a head start. In short the methods may change but the goal of racism remains the same. Benefit whites at all costs to the detriment of Blacks.
Historically, this a totally bogus argument. Whites did not invent slavery. The blacks and their supporters don't want to talk about slavery world - wide and historically. That way, blacks and Muslims get a free ride. IF slavery is wrong, then the left would be quick to acknowledge it, accept it, and move forward. So, we take that off the table.

Now, let us get to the "racist" issue:

EVERYBODY has an innate desire to belong. Kids (and adults who are still in the kid stage) will pay $75 and sometimes more for a jersey with the name of their favorite football team on it. An adopted child will seek out their birth family even though they grew up in a loving and caring home with adopted parents. Black people are so consumed with the past that they cannot look beyond it and accept it, and move on. In the case of black extremists, they were brainwashed by the liberal / left wing / socialist / communist combine under the guise of "Democracy" and sometimes "Democratic Socialism" and I want to repeat something that was put into the Congressional record in 1957 regarding communist strategies:

"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tensions. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause." A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century by Israel Cohen

Since that time revisionist historians have denied the book ever existed and that there has never been an Israel Cohen (both are VERY unlikely.) The book may have been a booklet used for propaganda purposes and I can attest to the fact that such books and booklets have existed. I have a copy of a Militia Handbook (I was the primary author) AND the United States Militiaman Handbook written largely by Dan Shoemaker. I'll bet you no person here can come up with a copy of either of those books. Yet I exist and so did Dan (and he may still be alive.) The books existed because I have copies of both. The real issue is that after 63 years, that quote has come to fruition. And, again, we are giving all the races and religions a free pass on the perceived evils of the past.

That brings us to discrimination. If America is going to be judged on the basis of "discrimination," you should remember that there are other racist countries and the people decrying discrimination buy from other countries that practice it. The only thing the black leadership is consistent with is inconsistency. Racism isn't mentioned unless it's in the United States. The facts seem to elude the brainwashed blacks. Right or wrong; good or bad; from the very first months of the ratification of the United States Constitution, it was intended that only whites be allowed the privilege of citizenship. That is a FACT that calling me every name on God's green earth will not change.
The Constitution of the United States begins with a preamble. It reads:

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

I bolded that part about "secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity" for a reason. The Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution of the United States were written by white men appealing to a white Christian populace. In the Constitution of the United States, the framers gave Congress one and only ONE area of jurisdiction relative to foreigners. In Article I Section 8 of the Constitution:

"Congress shall the power ... To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization"

Within months of the ratification of the Constitution, Congress fulfilled that duty:

"United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790).
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof..."

When the black power leadership can tell me how many blacks hold public office in China, Japan, North Korea, or South Korea, they might be able to sway me that the issue is about discrimination. If, however, that number is zero, then what we are discussing is a power grab. The black supremacists want to dictate to the American people the political structure of this country. The United States government did not invent slavery. The United States government never legalized slavery. The states in America were among the first in that modern era of history to outlaw the practice. By the time of the ratification of the Constitution of the United States, more than half the states had outlawed slavery. Insofar as discrimination, we need to be judged according to the FACTS. Mecca, the Muslim Holy City, is located in Saudi Arabia. Here is what Wikipedia states:

"The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is an Islamic absolute monarchy in which Sunni Islam is the official state religion based on firm Sharia law. Non-Muslims must practice their religion in private and are vulnerable to discrimination and deportation.[1] It has been stated that no law requires all citizens to be Muslim,[1] but also that non-Muslims are not allowed to have (gain?) Saudi citizenship."


So, when blacks claim that discrimination is "wrong," by what metric? The same ones with a problem with whites and their country would be willing to die for a Muslim to be elected to Congress in the United States, but NEVER condemn the other countries of the world doing the same damn thing Americans do. What is freaking hilarious, is that after the Americans stopped slavery, treated slaves better than any country on the globe when they owned them and then opened America up so that blacks would be free, they consistently stabbed those who sacrificed for them until they've wound up advocating genocide and being portrayed as the good guys for doing it. Could America be any more screwed up!
 

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What I hope to discuss is although the United States was founded by white suprmacist and has taken some strides to atone for it's racist past, racism is still very much a problem in this country largely due, in my opinion to the conditions under which it was established.

There are only two rules: That you back up any core claim you make with reputable citations and no insults/personal attacks.

This invitation was prompted by every single one of the above invitees in the title insisting that the black members of this site are all racist and Freyasman claiming superior intelligence over IM2 and Asclepias. Additionally Templarkormac has claimed that the United States is not racist, Porter Rockwell has insisted that the United States was intended only for white people and their descendants, Iamwhatiseems apparently believes that because he is married to a Mexican that he can't be racists towards blacks and freyasman in the one thread I have interacted with him has indicated that he routinely assaults black people who he finds to be loud and presumably of a lower class.
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" What I hope to discuss is although the United States was founded by white suprmacist and has taken some strides to atone for it's racist past, racism is still very much a problem in this country largely due, in my opinion to the conditions under which it was established. "

I disagree the US has taken strides to atone for its racist past. In fact racism is the engine that drives the US. What some may see as atonement has always resulted in whites benefiting either immediately or later when legislation is put into place to give whites a head start. In short the methods may change but the goal of racism remains the same. Benefit whites at all costs to the detriment of Blacks.
Historically, this a totally bogus argument. Whites did not invent slavery. The blacks and their supporters don't want to talk about slavery world - wide and historically. That way, blacks and Muslims get a free ride. IF slavery is wrong, then the left would be quick to acknowledge it, accept it, and move forward. So, we take that off the table.

Now, let us get to the "racist" issue:

EVERYBODY has an innate desire to belong. Kids (and adults who are still in the kid stage) will pay $75 and sometimes more for a jersey with the name of their favorite football team on it. An adopted child will seek out their birth family even though they grew up in a loving and caring home with adopted parents. Black people are so consumed with the past that they cannot look beyond it and accept it, and move on. In the case of black extremists, they were brainwashed by the liberal / left wing / socialist / communist combine under the guise of "Democracy" and sometimes "Democratic Socialism" and I want to repeat something that was put into the Congressional record in 1957 regarding communist strategies:

"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tensions. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause." A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century by Israel Cohen

Since that time revisionist historians have denied the book ever existed and that there has never been an Israel Cohen (both are VERY unlikely.) The book may have been a booklet used for propaganda purposes and I can attest to the fact that such books and booklets have existed. I have a copy of a Militia Handbook (I was the primary author) AND the United States Militiaman Handbook written largely by Dan Shoemaker. I'll bet you no person here can come up with a copy of either of those books. Yet I exist and so did Dan (and he may still be alive.) The books existed because I have copies of both. The real issue is that after 63 years, that quote has come to fruition. And, again, we are giving all the races and religions a free pass on the perceived evils of the past.

That brings us to discrimination. If America is going to be judged on the basis of "discrimination," you should remember that there are other racist countries and the people decrying discrimination buy from other countries that practice it. The only thing the black leadership is consistent with is inconsistency. Racism isn't mentioned unless it's in the United States. The facts seem to elude the brainwashed blacks. Right or wrong; good or bad; from the very first months of the ratification of the United States Constitution, it was intended that only whites be allowed the privilege of citizenship. That is a FACT that calling me every name on God's green earth will not change.
The Constitution of the United States begins with a preamble. It reads:

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

I bolded that part about "secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity" for a reason. The Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution of the United States were written by white men appealing to a white Christian populace. In the Constitution of the United States, the framers gave Congress one and only ONE area of jurisdiction relative to foreigners. In Article I Section 8 of the Constitution:

"Congress shall the power ... To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization"

Within months of the ratification of the Constitution, Congress fulfilled that duty:

"United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790).
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof..."

When the black power leadership can tell me how many blacks hold public office in China, Japan, North Korea, or South Korea, they might be able to sway me that the issue is about discrimination. If, however, that number is zero, then what we are discussing is a power grab. The black supremacists want to dictate to the American people the political structure of this country. The United States government did not invent slavery. The United States government never legalized slavery. The states in America were among the first in that modern era of history to outlaw the practice. By the time of the ratification of the Constitution of the United States, more than half the states had outlawed slavery. Insofar as discrimination, we need to be judged according to the FACTS. Mecca, the Muslim Holy City, is located in Saudi Arabia. Here is what Wikipedia states:

"The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is an Islamic absolute monarchy in which Sunni Islam is the official state religion based on firm Sharia law. Non-Muslims must practice their religion in private and are vulnerable to discrimination and deportation.[1] It has been stated that no law requires all citizens to be Muslim,[1] but also that non-Muslims are not allowed to have (gain?) Saudi citizenship."


So, when blacks claim that discrimination is "wrong," by what metric? The same ones with a problem with whites and their country would be willing to die for a Muslim to be elected to Congress in the United States, but NEVER condemn the other countries of the world doing the same damn thing Americans do. What is freaking hilarious, is that after the Americans stopped slavery, treated slaves better than any country on the globe when they owned them and then opened America up so that blacks would be free, they consistently stabbed those who sacrificed for them until they've wound up advocating genocide and being portrayed as the good guys for doing it. Could America be any more screwed up!
Fantastic post, thank you.
 

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What I hope to discuss is although the United States was founded by white suprmacist and has taken some strides to atone for it's racist past, racism is still very much a problem in this country largely due, in my opinion to the conditions under which it was established.

There are only two rules: That you back up any core claim you make with reputable citations and no insults/personal attacks.

This invitation was prompted by every single one of the above invitees in the title insisting that the black members of this site are all racist and Freyasman claiming superior intelligence over IM2 and Asclepias. Additionally Templarkormac has claimed that the United States is not racist, Porter Rockwell has insisted that the United States was intended only for white people and their descendants, Iamwhatiseems apparently believes that because he is married to a Mexican that he can't be racists towards blacks and freyasman in the one thread I have interacted with him has indicated that he routinely assaults black people who he finds to be loud and presumably of a lower class.
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" What I hope to discuss is although the United States was founded by white suprmacist and has taken some strides to atone for it's racist past, racism is still very much a problem in this country largely due, in my opinion to the conditions under which it was established. "

I disagree the US has taken strides to atone for its racist past. In fact racism is the engine that drives the US. What some may see as atonement has always resulted in whites benefiting either immediately or later when legislation is put into place to give whites a head start. In short the methods may change but the goal of racism remains the same. Benefit whites at all costs to the detriment of Blacks.
Historically, this a totally bogus argument. Whites did not invent slavery. The blacks and their supporters don't want to talk about slavery world - wide and historically. That way, blacks and Muslims get a free ride. IF slavery is wrong, then the left would be quick to acknowledge it, accept it, and move forward. So, we take that off the table.

Now, let us get to the "racist" issue:

EVERYBODY has an innate desire to belong. Kids (and adults who are still in the kid stage) will pay $75 and sometimes more for a jersey with the name of their favorite football team on it. An adopted child will seek out their birth family even though they grew up in a loving and caring home with adopted parents. Black people are so consumed with the past that they cannot look beyond it and accept it, and move on. In the case of black extremists, they were brainwashed by the liberal / left wing / socialist / communist combine under the guise of "Democracy" and sometimes "Democratic Socialism" and I want to repeat something that was put into the Congressional record in 1957 regarding communist strategies:

"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tensions. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause." A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century by Israel Cohen

Since that time revisionist historians have denied the book ever existed and that there has never been an Israel Cohen (both are VERY unlikely.) The book may have been a booklet used for propaganda purposes and I can attest to the fact that such books and booklets have existed. I have a copy of a Militia Handbook (I was the primary author) AND the United States Militiaman Handbook written largely by Dan Shoemaker. I'll bet you no person here can come up with a copy of either of those books. Yet I exist and so did Dan (and he may still be alive.) The books existed because I have copies of both. The real issue is that after 63 years, that quote has come to fruition. And, again, we are giving all the races and religions a free pass on the perceived evils of the past.

That brings us to discrimination. If America is going to be judged on the basis of "discrimination," you should remember that there are other racist countries and the people decrying discrimination buy from other countries that practice it. The only thing the black leadership is consistent with is inconsistency. Racism isn't mentioned unless it's in the United States. The facts seem to elude the brainwashed blacks. Right or wrong; good or bad; from the very first months of the ratification of the United States Constitution, it was intended that only whites be allowed the privilege of citizenship. That is a FACT that calling me every name on God's green earth will not change.
The Constitution of the United States begins with a preamble. It reads:

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

I bolded that part about "secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity" for a reason. The Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution of the United States were written by white men appealing to a white Christian populace. In the Constitution of the United States, the framers gave Congress one and only ONE area of jurisdiction relative to foreigners. In Article I Section 8 of the Constitution:

"Congress shall the power ... To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization"

Within months of the ratification of the Constitution, Congress fulfilled that duty:

"United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790).
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof..."

When the black power leadership can tell me how many blacks hold public office in China, Japan, North Korea, or South Korea, they might be able to sway me that the issue is about discrimination. If, however, that number is zero, then what we are discussing is a power grab. The black supremacists want to dictate to the American people the political structure of this country. The United States government did not invent slavery. The United States government never legalized slavery. The states in America were among the first in that modern era of history to outlaw the practice. By the time of the ratification of the Constitution of the United States, more than half the states had outlawed slavery. Insofar as discrimination, we need to be judged according to the FACTS. Mecca, the Muslim Holy City, is located in Saudi Arabia. Here is what Wikipedia states:

"The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is an Islamic absolute monarchy in which Sunni Islam is the official state religion based on firm Sharia law. Non-Muslims must practice their religion in private and are vulnerable to discrimination and deportation.[1] It has been stated that no law requires all citizens to be Muslim,[1] but also that non-Muslims are not allowed to have (gain?) Saudi citizenship."


So, when blacks claim that discrimination is "wrong," by what metric? The same ones with a problem with whites and their country would be willing to die for a Muslim to be elected to Congress in the United States, but NEVER condemn the other countries of the world doing the same damn thing Americans do. What is freaking hilarious, is that after the Americans stopped slavery, treated slaves better than any country on the globe when they owned them and then opened America up so that blacks would be free, they consistently stabbed those who sacrificed for them until they've wound up advocating genocide and being portrayed as the good guys for doing it. Could America be any more screwed up!
" Historically, this a totally bogus argument. Whites did not invent slavery. "

Talk about bogus arguments. I never said whites invented slavery. That was around long before they were in existence. However that is where the word comes from in reference to europeans enslaving each other. Also they did invent chattel slavery which would be the argument if I had mentioned it.

"The United States government never legalized slavery."

You are ignorant of the facts. Slavery is legalized in the constitution.

" "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." "
 
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What I hope to discuss is although the United States was founded by white suprmacist and has taken some strides to atone for it's racist past, racism is still very much a problem in this country largely due, in my opinion to the conditions under which it was established.

There are only two rules: That you back up any core claim you make with reputable citations and no insults/personal attacks.

This invitation was prompted by every single one of the above invitees in the title insisting that the black members of this site are all racist and Freyasman claiming superior intelligence over IM2 and Asclepias. Additionally Templarkormac has claimed that the United States is not racist, Porter Rockwell has insisted that the United States was intended only for white people and their descendants, Iamwhatiseems apparently believes that because he is married to a Mexican that he can't be racists towards blacks and freyasman in the one thread I have interacted with him has indicated that he routinely assaults black people who he finds to be loud and presumably of a lower class.
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" What I hope to discuss is although the United States was founded by white suprmacist and has taken some strides to atone for it's racist past, racism is still very much a problem in this country largely due, in my opinion to the conditions under which it was established. "

I disagree the US has taken strides to atone for its racist past. In fact racism is the engine that drives the US. What some may see as atonement has always resulted in whites benefiting either immediately or later when legislation is put into place to give whites a head start. In short the methods may change but the goal of racism remains the same. Benefit whites at all costs to the detriment of Blacks.
Historically, this a totally bogus argument. Whites did not invent slavery. The blacks and their supporters don't want to talk about slavery world - wide and historically. That way, blacks and Muslims get a free ride. IF slavery is wrong, then the left would be quick to acknowledge it, accept it, and move forward. So, we take that off the table.

Now, let us get to the "racist" issue:

EVERYBODY has an innate desire to belong. Kids (and adults who are still in the kid stage) will pay $75 and sometimes more for a jersey with the name of their favorite football team on it. An adopted child will seek out their birth family even though they grew up in a loving and caring home with adopted parents. Black people are so consumed with the past that they cannot look beyond it and accept it, and move on. In the case of black extremists, they were brainwashed by the liberal / left wing / socialist / communist combine under the guise of "Democracy" and sometimes "Democratic Socialism" and I want to repeat something that was put into the Congressional record in 1957 regarding communist strategies:

"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tensions. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause." A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century by Israel Cohen

Since that time revisionist historians have denied the book ever existed and that there has never been an Israel Cohen (both are VERY unlikely.) The book may have been a booklet used for propaganda purposes and I can attest to the fact that such books and booklets have existed. I have a copy of a Militia Handbook (I was the primary author) AND the United States Militiaman Handbook written largely by Dan Shoemaker. I'll bet you no person here can come up with a copy of either of those books. Yet I exist and so did Dan (and he may still be alive.) The books existed because I have copies of both. The real issue is that after 63 years, that quote has come to fruition. And, again, we are giving all the races and religions a free pass on the perceived evils of the past.

That brings us to discrimination. If America is going to be judged on the basis of "discrimination," you should remember that there are other racist countries and the people decrying discrimination buy from other countries that practice it. The only thing the black leadership is consistent with is inconsistency. Racism isn't mentioned unless it's in the United States. The facts seem to elude the brainwashed blacks. Right or wrong; good or bad; from the very first months of the ratification of the United States Constitution, it was intended that only whites be allowed the privilege of citizenship. That is a FACT that calling me every name on God's green earth will not change.
The Constitution of the United States begins with a preamble. It reads:

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

I bolded that part about "secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity" for a reason. The Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution of the United States were written by white men appealing to a white Christian populace. In the Constitution of the United States, the framers gave Congress one and only ONE area of jurisdiction relative to foreigners. In Article I Section 8 of the Constitution:

"Congress shall the power ... To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization"

Within months of the ratification of the Constitution, Congress fulfilled that duty:

"United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790).
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof..."

When the black power leadership can tell me how many blacks hold public office in China, Japan, North Korea, or South Korea, they might be able to sway me that the issue is about discrimination. If, however, that number is zero, then what we are discussing is a power grab. The black supremacists want to dictate to the American people the political structure of this country. The United States government did not invent slavery. The United States government never legalized slavery. The states in America were among the first in that modern era of history to outlaw the practice. By the time of the ratification of the Constitution of the United States, more than half the states had outlawed slavery. Insofar as discrimination, we need to be judged according to the FACTS. Mecca, the Muslim Holy City, is located in Saudi Arabia. Here is what Wikipedia states:

"The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is an Islamic absolute monarchy in which Sunni Islam is the official state religion based on firm Sharia law. Non-Muslims must practice their religion in private and are vulnerable to discrimination and deportation.[1] It has been stated that no law requires all citizens to be Muslim,[1] but also that non-Muslims are not allowed to have (gain?) Saudi citizenship."


So, when blacks claim that discrimination is "wrong," by what metric? The same ones with a problem with whites and their country would be willing to die for a Muslim to be elected to Congress in the United States, but NEVER condemn the other countries of the world doing the same damn thing Americans do. What is freaking hilarious, is that after the Americans stopped slavery, treated slaves better than any country on the globe when they owned them and then opened America up so that blacks would be free, they consistently stabbed those who sacrificed for them until they've wound up advocating genocide and being portrayed as the good guys for doing it. Could America be any more screwed up!
" Historically, this a totally bogus argument. Whites did not invent slavery. "

Talk about bogus arguments. I never said whites invented slavery. That was around long before they were in existence. However that is where the word comes from in reference to europeans enslaving each other. Also they did invent chattel slavery which would be the argument if I had mentioned it.

"The United States government never legalized slavery."

You are ignorant of the facts. Slavery is legalized in the constitution.

" "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." "
That is playing semantics since "slavery" as punishment is color - blind and the only thing that the black leadership seems to be concerned with. So, is incarceration slavery? If not, can you link me to some laws that end with a person being bound into slavery other than incarceration within the United States? If so, I'll gladly concede ignorance.
 

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What I hope to discuss is although the United States was founded by white suprmacist and has taken some strides to atone for it's racist past, racism is still very much a problem in this country largely due, in my opinion to the conditions under which it was established.

There are only two rules: That you back up any core claim you make with reputable citations and no insults/personal attacks.

This invitation was prompted by every single one of the above invitees in the title insisting that the black members of this site are all racist and Freyasman claiming superior intelligence over IM2 and Asclepias. Additionally Templarkormac has claimed that the United States is not racist, Porter Rockwell has insisted that the United States was intended only for white people and their descendants, Iamwhatiseems apparently believes that because he is married to a Mexican that he can't be racists towards blacks and freyasman in the one thread I have interacted with him has indicated that he routinely assaults black people who he finds to be loud and presumably of a lower class.
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" What I hope to discuss is although the United States was founded by white suprmacist and has taken some strides to atone for it's racist past, racism is still very much a problem in this country largely due, in my opinion to the conditions under which it was established. "

I disagree the US has taken strides to atone for its racist past. In fact racism is the engine that drives the US. What some may see as atonement has always resulted in whites benefiting either immediately or later when legislation is put into place to give whites a head start. In short the methods may change but the goal of racism remains the same. Benefit whites at all costs to the detriment of Blacks.
Historically, this a totally bogus argument. Whites did not invent slavery. The blacks and their supporters don't want to talk about slavery world - wide and historically. That way, blacks and Muslims get a free ride. IF slavery is wrong, then the left would be quick to acknowledge it, accept it, and move forward. So, we take that off the table.

Now, let us get to the "racist" issue:

EVERYBODY has an innate desire to belong. Kids (and adults who are still in the kid stage) will pay $75 and sometimes more for a jersey with the name of their favorite football team on it. An adopted child will seek out their birth family even though they grew up in a loving and caring home with adopted parents. Black people are so consumed with the past that they cannot look beyond it and accept it, and move on. In the case of black extremists, they were brainwashed by the liberal / left wing / socialist / communist combine under the guise of "Democracy" and sometimes "Democratic Socialism" and I want to repeat something that was put into the Congressional record in 1957 regarding communist strategies:

"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tensions. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause." A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century by Israel Cohen

Since that time revisionist historians have denied the book ever existed and that there has never been an Israel Cohen (both are VERY unlikely.) The book may have been a booklet used for propaganda purposes and I can attest to the fact that such books and booklets have existed. I have a copy of a Militia Handbook (I was the primary author) AND the United States Militiaman Handbook written largely by Dan Shoemaker. I'll bet you no person here can come up with a copy of either of those books. Yet I exist and so did Dan (and he may still be alive.) The books existed because I have copies of both. The real issue is that after 63 years, that quote has come to fruition. And, again, we are giving all the races and religions a free pass on the perceived evils of the past.

That brings us to discrimination. If America is going to be judged on the basis of "discrimination," you should remember that there are other racist countries and the people decrying discrimination buy from other countries that practice it. The only thing the black leadership is consistent with is inconsistency. Racism isn't mentioned unless it's in the United States. The facts seem to elude the brainwashed blacks. Right or wrong; good or bad; from the very first months of the ratification of the United States Constitution, it was intended that only whites be allowed the privilege of citizenship. That is a FACT that calling me every name on God's green earth will not change.
The Constitution of the United States begins with a preamble. It reads:

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

I bolded that part about "secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity" for a reason. The Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution of the United States were written by white men appealing to a white Christian populace. In the Constitution of the United States, the framers gave Congress one and only ONE area of jurisdiction relative to foreigners. In Article I Section 8 of the Constitution:

"Congress shall the power ... To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization"

Within months of the ratification of the Constitution, Congress fulfilled that duty:

"United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790).
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof..."

When the black power leadership can tell me how many blacks hold public office in China, Japan, North Korea, or South Korea, they might be able to sway me that the issue is about discrimination. If, however, that number is zero, then what we are discussing is a power grab. The black supremacists want to dictate to the American people the political structure of this country. The United States government did not invent slavery. The United States government never legalized slavery. The states in America were among the first in that modern era of history to outlaw the practice. By the time of the ratification of the Constitution of the United States, more than half the states had outlawed slavery. Insofar as discrimination, we need to be judged according to the FACTS. Mecca, the Muslim Holy City, is located in Saudi Arabia. Here is what Wikipedia states:

"The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is an Islamic absolute monarchy in which Sunni Islam is the official state religion based on firm Sharia law. Non-Muslims must practice their religion in private and are vulnerable to discrimination and deportation.[1] It has been stated that no law requires all citizens to be Muslim,[1] but also that non-Muslims are not allowed to have (gain?) Saudi citizenship."


So, when blacks claim that discrimination is "wrong," by what metric? The same ones with a problem with whites and their country would be willing to die for a Muslim to be elected to Congress in the United States, but NEVER condemn the other countries of the world doing the same damn thing Americans do. What is freaking hilarious, is that after the Americans stopped slavery, treated slaves better than any country on the globe when they owned them and then opened America up so that blacks would be free, they consistently stabbed those who sacrificed for them until they've wound up advocating genocide and being portrayed as the good guys for doing it. Could America be any more screwed up!
" Historically, this a totally bogus argument. Whites did not invent slavery. "

Talk about bogus arguments. I never said whites invented slavery. That was around long before they were in existence. However that is where the word comes from in reference to europeans enslaving each other. Also they did invent chattel slavery which would be the argument if I had mentioned it.

"The United States government never legalized slavery."

You are ignorant of the facts. Slavery is legalized in the constitution.

" "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." "
That is playing semantics since "slavery" as punishment is color - blind and the only thing that the black leadership seems to be concerned with. So, is incarceration slavery? If not, can you link me to some laws that end with a person being bound into slavery other than incarceration within the United States? If so, I'll gladly concede ignorance.
Thats not semantics. Thats simple a fact. You can be enslaved once incarcerated. I dont need you to concede ignorance. The fact is that you were indeed ignorant that slavery is still legal.
 

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What I hope to discuss is although the United States was founded by white suprmacist and has taken some strides to atone for it's racist past, racism is still very much a problem in this country largely due, in my opinion to the conditions under which it was established.

There are only two rules: That you back up any core claim you make with reputable citations and no insults/personal attacks.

This invitation was prompted by every single one of the above invitees in the title insisting that the black members of this site are all racist and Freyasman claiming superior intelligence over IM2 and Asclepias. Additionally Templarkormac has claimed that the United States is not racist, Porter Rockwell has insisted that the United States was intended only for white people and their descendants, Iamwhatiseems apparently believes that because he is married to a Mexican that he can't be racists towards blacks and freyasman in the one thread I have interacted with him has indicated that he routinely assaults black people who he finds to be loud and presumably of a lower class.
I'm in

" What I hope to discuss is although the United States was founded by white suprmacist and has taken some strides to atone for it's racist past, racism is still very much a problem in this country largely due, in my opinion to the conditions under which it was established. "

I disagree the US has taken strides to atone for its racist past. In fact racism is the engine that drives the US. What some may see as atonement has always resulted in whites benefiting either immediately or later when legislation is put into place to give whites a head start. In short the methods may change but the goal of racism remains the same. Benefit whites at all costs to the detriment of Blacks.
Historically, this a totally bogus argument. Whites did not invent slavery. The blacks and their supporters don't want to talk about slavery world - wide and historically. That way, blacks and Muslims get a free ride. IF slavery is wrong, then the left would be quick to acknowledge it, accept it, and move forward. So, we take that off the table.

Now, let us get to the "racist" issue:

EVERYBODY has an innate desire to belong. Kids (and adults who are still in the kid stage) will pay $75 and sometimes more for a jersey with the name of their favorite football team on it. An adopted child will seek out their birth family even though they grew up in a loving and caring home with adopted parents. Black people are so consumed with the past that they cannot look beyond it and accept it, and move on. In the case of black extremists, they were brainwashed by the liberal / left wing / socialist / communist combine under the guise of "Democracy" and sometimes "Democratic Socialism" and I want to repeat something that was put into the Congressional record in 1957 regarding communist strategies:

"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tensions. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause." A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century by Israel Cohen

Since that time revisionist historians have denied the book ever existed and that there has never been an Israel Cohen (both are VERY unlikely.) The book may have been a booklet used for propaganda purposes and I can attest to the fact that such books and booklets have existed. I have a copy of a Militia Handbook (I was the primary author) AND the United States Militiaman Handbook written largely by Dan Shoemaker. I'll bet you no person here can come up with a copy of either of those books. Yet I exist and so did Dan (and he may still be alive.) The books existed because I have copies of both. The real issue is that after 63 years, that quote has come to fruition. And, again, we are giving all the races and religions a free pass on the perceived evils of the past.

That brings us to discrimination. If America is going to be judged on the basis of "discrimination," you should remember that there are other racist countries and the people decrying discrimination buy from other countries that practice it. The only thing the black leadership is consistent with is inconsistency. Racism isn't mentioned unless it's in the United States. The facts seem to elude the brainwashed blacks. Right or wrong; good or bad; from the very first months of the ratification of the United States Constitution, it was intended that only whites be allowed the privilege of citizenship. That is a FACT that calling me every name on God's green earth will not change.
The Constitution of the United States begins with a preamble. It reads:

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

I bolded that part about "secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity" for a reason. The Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution of the United States were written by white men appealing to a white Christian populace. In the Constitution of the United States, the framers gave Congress one and only ONE area of jurisdiction relative to foreigners. In Article I Section 8 of the Constitution:

"Congress shall the power ... To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization"

Within months of the ratification of the Constitution, Congress fulfilled that duty:

"United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790).
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof..."

When the black power leadership can tell me how many blacks hold public office in China, Japan, North Korea, or South Korea, they might be able to sway me that the issue is about discrimination. If, however, that number is zero, then what we are discussing is a power grab. The black supremacists want to dictate to the American people the political structure of this country. The United States government did not invent slavery. The United States government never legalized slavery. The states in America were among the first in that modern era of history to outlaw the practice. By the time of the ratification of the Constitution of the United States, more than half the states had outlawed slavery. Insofar as discrimination, we need to be judged according to the FACTS. Mecca, the Muslim Holy City, is located in Saudi Arabia. Here is what Wikipedia states:

"The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is an Islamic absolute monarchy in which Sunni Islam is the official state religion based on firm Sharia law. Non-Muslims must practice their religion in private and are vulnerable to discrimination and deportation.[1] It has been stated that no law requires all citizens to be Muslim,[1] but also that non-Muslims are not allowed to have (gain?) Saudi citizenship."


So, when blacks claim that discrimination is "wrong," by what metric? The same ones with a problem with whites and their country would be willing to die for a Muslim to be elected to Congress in the United States, but NEVER condemn the other countries of the world doing the same damn thing Americans do. What is freaking hilarious, is that after the Americans stopped slavery, treated slaves better than any country on the globe when they owned them and then opened America up so that blacks would be free, they consistently stabbed those who sacrificed for them until they've wound up advocating genocide and being portrayed as the good guys for doing it. Could America be any more screwed up!
" Historically, this a totally bogus argument. Whites did not invent slavery. "

Talk about bogus arguments. I never said whites invented slavery. That was around long before they were in existence. However that is where the word comes from in reference to europeans enslaving each other. Also they did invent chattel slavery which would be the argument if I had mentioned it.

"The United States government never legalized slavery."

You are ignorant of the facts. Slavery is legalized in the constitution.

" "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." "
That is playing semantics since "slavery" as punishment is color - blind and the only thing that the black leadership seems to be concerned with. So, is incarceration slavery? If not, can you link me to some laws that end with a person being bound into slavery other than incarceration within the United States? If so, I'll gladly concede ignorance.
Thats not semantics. Thats simple a fact. You can be enslaved once incarcerated. I dont need you to concede ignorance. The fact is that you were indeed ignorant that slavery is still legal.
I'm not ignorant. If you read my posts, the intent of the 14th Amendment was not to help blacks, but to enslave the entire population by repealing the Bill of Rights as unalienable Rights and replacing them with government privileges and immunities. That subject, however, is way over the head of most readers who think they understand legalese (which actually takes a few years of classroom training just to begin to understand.) If you ever watched the old tv show Cops, they refer to people as subjects as opposed to suspects. However, in the context of the instant conversation, the United States never legalized slavery. You're playing semantics with the line that incarceration for a crime is slavery. In that aspect so is being the victim of extortion via the income tax.

In the instant conversation, we're talking about running slave ships and buying / selling people. THAT is the basis upon which blacks think the whites owe them something. AND, the reality is, the United States never legalized slavery. It was a common practice, not limited to the United States. In order for you to prevail in any debate on this, you're going to have to show where the average Joe can buy or sell another human being in the Constitution. Otherwise, your post was a deflection in order to avoid the real conversation. In short, you're attempting to troll because you don't have an argument relative to this subject. Thank you for the diversion, however.
 

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