Invention of the 'Palestinian' People

[Hollie]

Well, you enjoy making things up. And, under your definition there would be no Kurds. Keep up the clown act.

I'm trying yo educate you. Under your incorrect and unintelligible definition, Southerners in the U.S. would be from the "State of Southerners".

How can I help correct your befuddled attempts at logical thinking?

 

[montelatici]

Oh dear, still projecting.

 

[Phoenall]

Link: Defining Palestine and the Palestinians - Discover the Networks

Your link has a link to the original, Palestinians: Aggressors, Not VictimsBy: David Meir-Levi
FrontPageMagazine.com | Tuesday, November 27, 2007

FrontPageMag.com is a neo-conservative magazine founded by ex-Marxist (Trokskyite) turned neo-conservative activist David Horowitz. FrontPage's output ranges from old-fashioned red-baiting and neocon punditry, to pushing pro-Likud zionist propaganda
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AND ? ? ? ?

Does it make it any lwss factual ?[/QUOTE]
What is a lwss, is it a smack induced typo?[/QUOTE]






No just a normal typo should read less. but using typo's to gain points shows that you are desperate, and then telling lies compounds it

 

[Phoenall]

So people that call themselves the people of Palestine and happen to live in Palestine are not Palestinians. Holly logic.

If they called themselves south Syrians would that make them Syrian, because that is what they also called themselves at this time. Monte logic, ignore the truth and run with the anti semitic nazi lies

 

[Phoenall]

The majority owners of the land were Palestinians, by the way. Let's repeat:

The map that is often run out when the truth is being told, and has been debunked as being false. for arab read Ottoman as the U.N saw the muslims as being just arab.

Here is the truth


CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish colony. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""

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Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.htm




From your own religion that calls you a liar

 

[Shusha]

The majority owners of the land were Palestinians, by the way. Let's repeat:

You are conflating Arab land ownership with Palestinian land ownership.

 

[rhodescholar]

Anytime a colonial power structure wishes to take over a land mass and cleanse a people from said land mass, the people must first be dehumanized and delegitimized. But yeah, the west came in and carved up/assigned nation states; been trouble ever since. And of course, we covet middle eastern resources.

So when can the West start mass deporting asians, muslims, mexicans, etc? BTW shit for brains, the jews pre-date the muslims in Israel by about 4,000 years.

 

[rhodescholar]

It is wrong to suggest that moslems will be able or willing to "live there in peace side by side". There is no history of that for moslems. Islam is the only ideology on the planet with no tolerance for other faiths or politico-religious ideologies. For that matter, moslems cant even manage to "live there in peace, side by side" with each other. If you look across the Islamist Middle East currently, it is moslems who are the most ruthless killers of other moslems.

Unfortunately, islamism is the same today as it was when Muhammad (swish) invented islamism and foisted it on his people. It can't be reformed. Islam is still believed to be the inerrant, immutable word of God. The collections of sunnah (the way of life prescribed as normative for Moslems based on the koran and the teachings and practices of Muhammad (swish) are the religiously decreed guide to a lifestyle of xenophobia, overblown entitlement, violence, and complete resistance to change. There is no rendering unto Caesar, there is no allegory, and there is certainly no arguing with the koran's veracity—it is muhammud's own word. And any reform-minded Moslem who would assert otherwise in the cause of progress, is guilty of apostasy, the most heinous crime for a Moslem, and punishable by death.

islam is a death cult and needs to be eradicated like a virus.

 

[montelatici]

The majority owners of the land were Palestinians, by the way. Let's repeat:

You are conflating Arab land ownership with Palestinian land ownership.

No, I am just stating what UN A/364 stated about the Arab population of Palestine. The absentee owner bullshit is Zionist propaganda. Just read Chapter II para. 364 of the UN partition plan.

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire
land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per
cent of the land."

 

[Hollie]

The majority owners of the land were Palestinians, by the way. Let's repeat:

You are conflating Arab land ownership with Palestinian land ownership.

No, I am just stating what UN A/364 stated about the Arab population of Palestine. The absentee owner bullshit is Zionist propaganda. Just read Chapter II para. 364 of the UN partition plan.

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire
land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per
cent of the land."

You poor, dear. You can't accept facts that contradict your unsourced and repetitive cutting and pasting of the same map.

Turkey transfers Ottoman land records to Palestinian Authority

Even before 1917, Jewish and Zionist institutions had purchased large tracts of land in Palestine from absentee landlords, who lived mainly in Syria and Lebanon. These landlords had previously leased their property to local farmers, but were happy to sell it for the right price, without giving a thought to their tenant farmers. Nevertheless, Palestinians view these sales as more legitimate than those that took place during the British occupation that began in 1917.

Under Ottoman rule, a substantial portion of the land in Palestine was registered as state land. Some of this land was later sold or transferred to pre-state Jewish institutions. Other portions belonged to the Muslim waqf (religious trust), and these, according to Islamic law, cannot be sold. However, there was no orderly registration process; ownership was determined primarily using records such as tax payments.

 

[montelatici]

That absentee owned land was bought by the European Zionists, but it didn't amount to much as the UN confirmed. No more than 15%. And as the UN also confirmed:

"since the term "Arab" is to be interpreted as connoting not only the invaders from the Arabian Peninsula in the seventh century, but also the indigenous population which intermarried with the invaders and acquired their speech, customs and modes of thought in becoming permanently Arabized."

 

[Shusha]

No, I am just stating what UN A/364 stated about the Arab population of Palestine. The absentee owner bullshit is Zionist propaganda. Just read Chapter II para. 364 of the UN partition plan.

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire
land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per
cent of the land."

Again, conflating Arab ownership with Palestinian ownership. And now conflating "possession" with ownership. (Which, still, of course, has nothing to do with sovereignty.)

If you want to convince me that the largest percentage of land was privately owned by Arab Palestinian residents in the Palestinian Mandate, as opposed to miri land or land owned by non-Palestinian residents -- show me a document which proves such. I'm all ears.

 

[Phoenall]

The majority owners of the land were Palestinians, by the way. Let's repeat:

You are conflating Arab land ownership with Palestinian land ownership.

And non arab muslim land ownership, as the Ottomans were non arab muslims and they owned the majority of the land until such time as the inhabitants declared independence

 

[Phoenall]

The majority owners of the land were Palestinians, by the way. Let's repeat:

You are conflating Arab land ownership with Palestinian land ownership.

No, I am just stating what UN A/364 stated about the Arab population of Palestine. The absentee owner bullshit is Zionist propaganda. Just read Chapter II para. 364 of the UN partition plan.

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire
land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per
cent of the land."

And as you have been told, and had proven to you, the details were the work of nazi's that went to any extreme to delegitamise the Jews and stop them from migrating to palestine. Your hero Winston Churchill stated on oath that the arab muslims were flooding into palestine unstopped in such numbers that all world Jewry could never hope to match. Every demographic report shows that every time the arab muslims attack the Jews their number rise over and above the standard rate of population growth. As one person said the girls of 10 must be giving birth to quads every 9 months and all are surviving to adulthood, it is the only way the numbers could be increasing as they do. Not even rats or cockroaches breed at the rate arab muslims do in palestine.

 

[Phoenall]

The majority owners of the land were Palestinians, by the way. Let's repeat:

You are conflating Arab land ownership with Palestinian land ownership.

No, I am just stating what UN A/364 stated about the Arab population of Palestine. The absentee owner bullshit is Zionist propaganda. Just read Chapter II para. 364 of the UN partition plan.

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire
land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per
cent of the land."

Islamonazi propaganda as you have been shown previously

 

[Phoenall]

That absentee owned land was bought by the European Zionists, but it didn't amount to much as the UN confirmed. No more than 15%. And as the UN also confirmed:

"since the term "Arab" is to be interpreted as connoting not only the invaders from the Arabian Peninsula in the seventh century, but also the indigenous population which intermarried with the invaders and acquired their speech, customs and modes of thought in becoming permanently Arabized."

You do realise that you have just admitted that the arab muslims invaded palestine dont you, and then colonised it by force. Very few intermarried as it was against islamic holy law to do so, showing that you are only using hate sites for your information

 

[Fenton Lum]

Anytime a colonial power structure wishes to take over a land mass and cleanse a people from said land mass, the people must first be dehumanized and delegitimized.

You mean like this?

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No people will forever accept oppression, both israel and america would do well to understand that fact.

 

[montelatici]

No, I am just stating what UN A/364 stated about the Arab population of Palestine. The absentee owner bullshit is Zionist propaganda. Just read Chapter II para. 364 of the UN partition plan.

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire
land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per
cent of the land."

Again, conflating Arab ownership with Palestinian ownership. And now conflating "possession" with ownership. (Which, still, of course, has nothing to do with sovereignty.)

If you want to convince me that the largest percentage of land was privately owned by Arab Palestinian residents in the Palestinian Mandate, as opposed to miri land or land owned by non-Palestinian residents -- show me a document which proves such. I'm all ears.

No, I am just stating what UN A/364 stated about the Arab population of Palestine. The absentee owner bullshit is Zionist propaganda. Just read Chapter II para. 364 of the UN partition plan.

"164. The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire
land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per
cent of the land."

Again, conflating Arab ownership with Palestinian ownership. And now conflating "possession" with ownership. (Which, still, of course, has nothing to do with sovereignty.)

If you want to convince me that the largest percentage of land was privately owned by Arab Palestinian residents in the Palestinian Mandate, as opposed to miri land or land owned by non-Palestinian residents -- show me a document which proves such. I'm all ears.

The UN was referring to the population of Palestine as the partition plan was being applied to Palestine. They are referring to the Arab Palestinian owners of 85% of the land. In fact, non-Jewish ownership exceeded 94%, not only the 85% owned by the Arab Palestinians was non-Jewish owned. See below:

 

[Shusha]

... They are referring to the Arab Palestinian owners of 85% of the land. In fact, non-Jewish ownership exceeded 94%, not only the 85% owned by the Arab Palestinians was non-Jewish owned.

You are still not differentiating between "Arab" ownership and "Arab Palestinian resident" ownership.

Nor are you differentiating between mulk, musha and miri land.

Nor have you acknowledged that private land ownership has nothing to do with sovereignty. That a bunch of Italians live in New York does not change American sovereignty in New York.

 

[montelatici]

The 85% of the land the UN states was owned by the population, referred to Palestinian Muslim and Christian ownership, as they were the population in question.

I am not discussing sovereignty. I am explaining to your friend Hollie, that Jews did not buy up all the land prior to taking it from the Palestinian Muslims and Christians after evicting them.