Insurance for Free..

[AntiParty]

If Obamacare offered insurance to you at zero cost, would you accept it knowing that a hard working person in the middle-class ends up paying for it?

Ethically, I believe it would be wrong...

Insurance for free is an oxymoron.

 

[francoHFW]

So you don't know those earning less than 130% of poverty get free medicaid? So you know NOTHING...

 

[AntiParty]

Get this straight. There is NO competition in the health insurance marketplace.
The federal government has saddle the business with all kinds of draconian regulations and mandates.
One of the offending regulations is the one that prohibits health insurers from competing across state lines.
The other issue is somewhere along the line, people were led to believe, then convinced medical care should be free from out of pocket expense.

Horse patoot. O-care is all about free tests and high deductibles but low annual limits...there will be plenty of transparent competition soon...when Pubs and their crony insurers give up their mindless opposition...

And soon there will be more people insured than there are people cuz that's how government handles stuff

You have never showed that you know how government handles stuff.

Your base as a political thinker is to say, "You are stupid" to everyone.

But great wording. Stuff is a powerful word.

 

[auditor0007]

No way. Would not accept a handout.

Okay, you have lost your job and insurance, and your savings are dwindling to nothing because you cannot find work. Being laid off when you're over 50 can really suck for some people, so let's put you in that person's shoes. Now all of a sudden, you're 15 year old daughter is diagnosed with leukemia. She needs a stem cell transplant that costs over $500,000. Without insurance, she will not get the transplant. Are you going to accept Medicaid now, or are you going to watch your daughter die without even having the chance as a life saving stem cell transplant?

See, it's easy to talk big about how you would never accept a handout or help, because you are just too proud. But when real people actually find themselves in really bad situations, all of a sudden, all that pride and bullshit get thrown right out the window. So what would it be? You going to let your daughter die over pride?

 

[Lumpy 1]

No way. Would not accept a handout.

Okay, you have lost your job and insurance, and your savings are dwindling to nothing because you cannot find work. Being laid off when you're over 50 can really suck for some people, so let's put you in that person's shoes. Now all of a sudden, you're 15 year old daughter is diagnosed with leukemia. She needs a stem cell transplant that costs over $500,000. Without insurance, she will not get the transplant. Are you going to accept Medicaid now, or are you going to watch your daughter die without even having the chance as a life saving stem cell transplant?

See, it's easy to talk big about how you would never accept a handout or help, because you are just too proud. But when real people actually find themselves in really bad situations, all of a sudden, all that pride and bullshit get thrown right out the window. So what would it be? You going to let your daughter die over pride?

You seem willing to let the government decide, you assume they'll decide in your favor, she'll have a doctor and she'll not suffer and die while being on a waiting list for care.

I can't help but think you're being far too hopeful and far from realistic. When has government done anything well, they don't have to, the decision makers don't pay the price, they're exempt.

 

[Truthseeker420]

Does this " hard working person in the middle-class" think it's okay to give my tax dollars to Israel or rich bankers, and corporations?

 

[Interpol]

The biggest Republican meme is that liberals are the ones with their hands out, but we all know it's their own voting base that sucks back most Social Security and Medicaid benefits, along with qualifying for Obamacare's Medicaid expansion.

Just look at Kentucky. There aren't tons of liberals there and they're all getting insured there now. Just another poor red state on the take.

Just like when the economy tanked and Republicans bitched about Obama's Stimulus but went to all those fancy ribbon-cutting ceremonies for all those jobs he brought to their states.

Effing hypocrites.

 

[MeBelle]

No way. Would not accept a handout.

Okay, you have lost your job and insurance, and your savings are dwindling to nothing because you cannot find work. Being laid off when you're over 50 can really suck for some people, so let's put you in that person's shoes. Now all of a sudden, you're 15 year old daughter is diagnosed with leukemia. She needs a stem cell transplant that costs over $500,000. Without insurance, she will not get the transplant. Are you going to accept Medicaid now, or are you going to watch your daughter die without even having the chance as a life saving stem cell transplant?

See, it's easy to talk big about how you would never accept a handout or help, because you are just too proud. But when real people actually find themselves in really bad situations, all of a sudden, all that pride and bullshit get thrown right out the window. So what would it be? You going to let your daughter die over pride?

He can accept Medicaid all he wants.
Medicaid will not cover the cost.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/healthcare-insurance-govt-healthcare/108699-medicaid-has-denied.html

Please, please, prove me wrong...

I cannot find one state that will cover the procedure outlined above.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Does this " hard working person in the middle-class" think it's okay to give my tax dollars to Israel or rich bankers, and corporations?

The government does and the "hard working person in the middle-class" have lost the ability to change it, like you, they just have to bend over and take it ..enjoy, more to come with Obamacare..

 

[francoHFW]

Moose muffins, hater dupe, and getting better all the time as the cost curve bends down and Bernie Sanders 10 billlion dollars worth of low cost clinics come on line. Since O-Care was passed, the health system's percentage of GDP has gone from 17.9% to 17.1%, and the cost rises have been the lowest ever.Its effect on the economy will be nothing but great, hater dupes....

 

[Mac1958]

Everybody hates rich people ( except when they want their money )

Funny how that works, huh?

I'd be curious to know the percentage of people who realize who is actually helping them pay for their health insurance.

And "the government" would be the wrong answer.

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[JoeB131]

If Obamacare offered insurance to you at zero cost, would you accept it knowing that a hard working person in the middle-class ends up paying for it?

Ethically, I believe it would be wrong...

But here's the thing. If you are a hard working middle class person, and no one in your family got seriously sick that year, then the money that you are paying or working to put into your insurance policy is already being used to pay for someone else's health care.

I'm not bothered by a poor person getting health care from my hard work.

I am bothered by a fat-cat Health Care CEO getting a nine-figure salary for figuring out ways to cheat policy holders out of treatment after they paid for insurance.

 

[francoHFW]

Everybody hates rich people ( except when they want their money )

Funny how that works, huh?

I'd be curious to know the percentage of people who realize who is actually helping them pay for their health insurance.

And "the government" would be the wrong answer.

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BS- and their tiny ACA taxes they fought alll the way.

Colbert Reveals GOP Opposition To Obamacare Was Just A Four-Year-Long Prank

 

[Jughead]

No way. Would not accept a handout.

Okay, you have lost your job and insurance, and your savings are dwindling to nothing because you cannot find work. Being laid off when you're over 50 can really suck for some people, so let's put you in that person's shoes. Now all of a sudden, you're 15 year old daughter is diagnosed with leukemia. She needs a stem cell transplant that costs over $500,000. Without insurance, she will not get the transplant. Are you going to accept Medicaid now, or are you going to watch your daughter die without even having the chance as a life saving stem cell transplant?

See, it's easy to talk big about how you would never accept a handout or help, because you are just too proud. But when real people actually find themselves in really bad situations, all of a sudden, all that pride and bullshit get thrown right out the window. So what would it be? You going to let your daughter die over pride?

I was in a similar situation in my youth. I had voluntarily moved out of my folks place and had a good job in the summer while in College. Unfortunately, one summer, I was unable to land the same job, and had no source of income. I refused to ask my folks for help. I wound up working two lower paying (much lower) jobs. I essentially had no free time, except to attend church and help out at the church once a week. I didn't care, I was single at the time and would rather spend all of my time doing something productive, than waste it doing nothing and getting a free handout.

 

[Lumpy 1]

 

[Smilebong]

If Obamacare offered insurance to you at zero cost, would you accept it knowing that a hard working person in the middle-class ends up paying for it?

Ethically, I believe it would be wrong...

Dude, its called Medicaid.

 

[Caroljo]

You're already paying for it, just in the stupidest, most humiliating way, ER care, bankruptcy, and death, with no preventive care,ignorant hater dupes...

You know it's funny, you call every one who disagrees with you a "hater dupe" but the reality is, the only hater here is you. You are one of the most hateful miserable SOB's I've ever seen. Does anyone like you? I mean in the real world?

I've had Franco on ignore FOREVER and only see his/her posts when someone quotes him....so stop quoting him!!! Lol!

 

[JoeB131]

If Obamacare offered insurance to you at zero cost, would you accept it knowing that a hard working person in the middle-class ends up paying for it?

Ethically, I believe it would be wrong...

Dude, its called Medicaid.

but how is that any different than private insurance through a job?

Here's the thing. I really am amused when wingnuts scream about socialism when talking about health care.

But no matter where you get your health care from, it's all "Socialist".

If you are healthy, you are paying for someone else's health care, whether it be through the labor to pay for a company's insurance policy, paying for the policy yourself, or paying taxes to support, Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIPP, etc.

If you are seriously ill, other people are paying your way.

And as much as the INsurance Industry likes to go on and on about the "magic of the market", the only reason why private insurance works at all is because they are subsidized by government and pool risks.

Every other country has gone to Single Payer because they realize that a lot of non-value added costs end up getting in there when you make it for profit.

 

[auditor0007]

No way. Would not accept a handout.

Okay, you have lost your job and insurance, and your savings are dwindling to nothing because you cannot find work. Being laid off when you're over 50 can really suck for some people, so let's put you in that person's shoes. Now all of a sudden, you're 15 year old daughter is diagnosed with leukemia. She needs a stem cell transplant that costs over $500,000. Without insurance, she will not get the transplant. Are you going to accept Medicaid now, or are you going to watch your daughter die without even having the chance as a life saving stem cell transplant?

See, it's easy to talk big about how you would never accept a handout or help, because you are just too proud. But when real people actually find themselves in really bad situations, all of a sudden, all that pride and bullshit get thrown right out the window. So what would it be? You going to let your daughter die over pride?

He can accept Medicaid all he wants.
Medicaid will not cover the cost.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/healthcare-insurance-govt-healthcare/108699-medicaid-has-denied.html

Please, please, prove me wrong...

I cannot find one state that will cover the procedure outlined above.

Depends on the chance of long term survival. There are many different forms of leukemia. Many have excellent survival rates and others have very poor survival rates. My wife had a form of AML that only had a 10% survival rate. She didn't make it.

 

[Crystalclear]

Wouldn't free market healthcare be cheaper than public healthcare? If insurers and hospitals could compete with other insurers and hospitals, would that not drive down costs below the level of public healthcare costs without middle-class paying for it?

And with free market I do not mean how it is now. Without government helping their insurance friends and help keeping monopolies, but instead real free market with much more competition.