Innocents Betrayed - The History of Gun Control

[daveman]

Question for those who support gun control:

How strict do gun laws need to be before criminals start obeying them?

No answer from the gun control zealots is coming Dave, because the answer is "criminals will never obey gun laws so they'll always have guns." They don't want you to think about that.

Oh, I know I'll never get an intelligent answer to my question.

 

[daveman]

Question for those who support gun control:

How strict do gun laws need to be before criminals start obeying them?

No answer from the gun control zealots is coming Dave, because the answer is "criminals will never obey gun laws so they'll always have guns." They don't want you to think about that.

Honest people having guns does not help the matter. I live in a country where the only murders committed with handguns are criminals killing other criminals. This is what strong gun control can do.

What country is that? Because I call bullshit.

 

[NoNukes]

No answer from the gun control zealots is coming Dave, because the answer is "criminals will never obey gun laws so they'll always have guns." They don't want you to think about that.

Honest people having guns does not help the matter. I live in a country where the only murders committed with handguns are criminals killing other criminals. This is what strong gun control can do.

What country is that? Because I call bullshit.

Ireland.

 

[uptownlivin90]

Question for those who support gun control:

How strict do gun laws need to be before criminals start obeying them?

No answer from the gun control zealots is coming Dave, because the answer is "criminals will never obey gun laws so they'll always have guns." They don't want you to think about that.

Honest people having guns does not help the matter. I live in a country where the only murders committed with handguns are criminals killing other criminals. This is what strong gun control can do.

I'm in COMPLETE AWE of your stupidity.

Innocent people don't get killed by criminals hmm?

I don't even know what to say. I just don't. You have to be a totally brainwashed globalist freak to honestly believe that criminals only target criminals and never target innocent people.

It'd be funny if it wasn't so frustrating and sad.

 

[Luissa]

Question for those who support gun control:

How strict do gun laws need to be before criminals start obeying them?

No answer from the gun control zealots is coming Dave, because the answer is "criminals will never obey gun laws so they'll always have guns." They don't want you to think about that.

Oh, I know I'll never get an intelligent answer to my question.

I personally, only care about back ground checks and requiring someone to hold a license.
For one, I know criminals can get a gun. My brother was shot by a kid who stole his dad's gun.
I also think most gun owners should belong to the NRA.

 

[Luissa]

It isn't guns that are the problem, it is fear.
Canada has how many guns, and how many deaths by guns?
We are not free because we are allowed to have guns, we are not free because this country has let fear rule it since the very beginning.

 

[daveman]

Honest people having guns does not help the matter. I live in a country where the only murders committed with handguns are criminals killing other criminals. This is what strong gun control can do.

What country is that? Because I call bullshit.

Ireland.

Your claim:

"I live in a country where the only murders committed with handguns are criminals killing other criminals."

Women held over Dundalk gun murder - Republic of Ireland, Local & National - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Was her victim a criminal?

I call bullshit.

 

[daveman]

No answer from the gun control zealots is coming Dave, because the answer is "criminals will never obey gun laws so they'll always have guns." They don't want you to think about that.

Oh, I know I'll never get an intelligent answer to my question.

I personally, only care about back ground checks and requiring someone to hold a license.
For one, I know criminals can get a gun. My brother was shot by a kid who stole his dad's gun.
I also think most gun owners should belong to the NRA.

Fair enough.

 

[westwall]

A lot of countries that have gun control are functioning democracies who don't give a shit about them. The only western nation in the world that is obssessed with their pea shooters is the US.

And it's no coincidence that America is also the freest country on earth.

You are really off base on this one. Have you ever lived outside of the United States, other than in the service?

Yes, I have. The US enjoys more freedom of assembly and freedom of the press than any other country.

 

[NoNukes]

No answer from the gun control zealots is coming Dave, because the answer is "criminals will never obey gun laws so they'll always have guns." They don't want you to think about that.

Honest people having guns does not help the matter. I live in a country where the only murders committed with handguns are criminals killing other criminals. This is what strong gun control can do.

I'm in COMPLETE AWE of your stupidity.

Innocent people don't get killed by criminals hmm?

I don't even know what to say. I just don't. You have to be a totally brainwashed globalist freak to honestly believe that criminals only target criminals and never target innocent people.

It'd be funny if it wasn't so frustrating and sad.

It is the truth. In the 15 years I have been living here i cannot remember an innocent person being murdered with a handgun. Perhaps you should do some research before making such a stupid statement.

 

[NoNukes]

What country is that? Because I call bullshit.

Ireland.

Your claim:

"I live in a country where the only murders committed with handguns are criminals killing other criminals."

Women held over Dundalk gun murder - Republic of Ireland, Local & National - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Was her victim a criminal?

I call bullshit.

Do you know where Belfast is?

 

[westwall]

Honest people having guns does not help the matter. I live in a country where the only murders committed with handguns are criminals killing other criminals. This is what strong gun control can do.

I'm in COMPLETE AWE of your stupidity.

Innocent people don't get killed by criminals hmm?

I don't even know what to say. I just don't. You have to be a totally brainwashed globalist freak to honestly believe that criminals only target criminals and never target innocent people.

It'd be funny if it wasn't so frustrating and sad.

It is the truth. In the 15 years I have been living here i cannot remember an innocent person being murdered with a handgun. Perhaps you should do some research before making such a stupid statement.

And here's a person who would be alive today if he had been allowed to defend himself. Because you know, people can only be murdered by handguns, there's no other possible way to murder someone


Three on trial over Dublin murder, Ireland

 

[daveman]

Honest people having guns does not help the matter. I live in a country where the only murders committed with handguns are criminals killing other criminals. This is what strong gun control can do.

I'm in COMPLETE AWE of your stupidity.

Innocent people don't get killed by criminals hmm?

I don't even know what to say. I just don't. You have to be a totally brainwashed globalist freak to honestly believe that criminals only target criminals and never target innocent people.

It'd be funny if it wasn't so frustrating and sad.

It is the truth. In the 15 years I have been living here i cannot remember an innocent person being murdered with a handgun. Perhaps you should do some research before making such a stupid statement.

Really? THAT'S your proof? "I don't remember it happening"?

You're dismissed.

 

[daveman]

Ireland.

Your claim:

"I live in a country where the only murders committed with handguns are criminals killing other criminals."

Women held over Dundalk gun murder - Republic of Ireland, Local & National - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Was her victim a criminal?

I call bullshit.

Do you know where Belfast is?

Yes. Do you know where Dublin is?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1114/breaking49.html

 

[Dr Grump]

So your saying its a coincidence that tyrannical governments confiscate guns from the people they kill before they kill them?

Letting people protect themselves from bad crap happening to them is now a mental disorder...

...good job leftist America!

A lot of countries that have gun control are functioning democracies who don't give a shit about them. The only western nation in the world that is obssessed with their pea shooters is the US.

And it's no coincidence that America is also the freest country on earth.

I totally disagree with you. How much whining do non American posters on this board do about their govt, or even their form of govt. Bugger all. you Yanks? Every second thread it seems.

That aside, from what I know of Western Govts, yours is the least free (well, maybe a tie with the UK)

 

[Dr Grump]

And it's no coincidence that America is also the freest country on earth.

You are really off base on this one. Have you ever lived outside of the United States, other than in the service?

Yes, I have. The US enjoys more freedom of assembly and freedom of the press than any other country.

Bullshit. Not compared to NZ and Aussie from what I have seen.

Ask your Wall St protesters.

 

[Dr Grump]

I'm in COMPLETE AWE of your stupidity.

Innocent people don't get killed by criminals hmm?

I don't even know what to say. I just don't. You have to be a totally brainwashed globalist freak to honestly believe that criminals only target criminals and never target innocent people.

It'd be funny if it wasn't so frustrating and sad.

It is the truth. In the 15 years I have been living here i cannot remember an innocent person being murdered with a handgun. Perhaps you should do some research before making such a stupid statement.

And here's a person who would be alive today if he had been allowed to defend himself. Because you know, people can only be murdered by handguns, there's no other possible way to murder someone


Three on trial over Dublin murder, Ireland

I seriously wouldn't get into comparing hand gun deaths from the US with other Western Countries...seriously...

 

[westwall]

You are really off base on this one. Have you ever lived outside of the United States, other than in the service?

Yes, I have. The US enjoys more freedom of assembly and freedom of the press than any other country.

Bullshit. Not compared to NZ and Aussie from what I have seen.

Ask your Wall St protesters.

You forget mate I used to live in both places. You've never lived in the US so you have no idea what you're talking about....I do.

 

[westwall]

It is the truth. In the 15 years I have been living here i cannot remember an innocent person being murdered with a handgun. Perhaps you should do some research before making such a stupid statement.

And here's a person who would be alive today if he had been allowed to defend himself. Because you know, people can only be murdered by handguns, there's no other possible way to murder someone


Three on trial over Dublin murder, Ireland

I seriously wouldn't get into comparing hand gun deaths from the US with other Western Countries...seriously...

I'm not. I merely stated that had the dead man been allowed the use of a handgun for self defence he probably would still be alive. It's a truism that bad people kill good people. Good people should be allowed to have the means to defend themselves. You don't believe that, so be it. I just hope you are never on the recieving end like the poor dead guy. It will then be too late to change your mind.

 

[Dr Grump]

Yes, I have. The US enjoys more freedom of assembly and freedom of the press than any other country.

Bullshit. Not compared to NZ and Aussie from what I have seen.

Ask your Wall St protesters.

You forget mate I used to live in both places. You've never lived in the US so you have no idea what you're talking about....I do.

New Zealand is a lot different from what it was 30 years ago - hell, even 10 years ago. A lot different. Same with Oz.

I know more about the US than you probably do about NZ...

And if you want to go toe-to-toe about freedoms - more than happy to,...