Indiana beats Ohio State for the Big Ten Championship!

With big money on the line for "to be drafted to NFL" players, do they want to risk it? They get nothing from the playoffs but risk?

Certainly Norte Dame in meaningless Sugar bowl vs. A Duke is not worth their Achilles risk.


Follow the money. NCAAF only follows the money it seems.
 
The new math will mean teams like ND say "we are not playing in your bowl game" if they feel snubbed. Pretty sure this is what they are saying now.

ND played a trash schedule, Miami did too. The ACC is garbage.

If ND wants consideration in the future, have a record of quality wins to go with your two losses. You beat a bunch of scrub teams, and lost to the only good teams you played. And now they are crying that Miami got in over you, even though they have the same record and beat you straight up?

I'd like to watch ND but am very happy they got left out, just on principle.
 
So they made a deal with ALA beforehand that the CCG doesn't matter? But then it mattered if you play hard and win it? Very confusing? Why have the game at all if it doesn't matter?
That is and always has been the "deal". If it werent teams would stop playing in them. CCG's are a huge revenue stream for the conferences, so they dont want to give them up. If a team in Alabama's position (nothing to gain by playing in the CCG) why would they play in it? Even UGA really didnt gain anything by playing that game. Started 3 ended 3. Why would OSU play that game against IU? If they win they are #1 seed same as if they dont play. There's no upside, and you put every player on the field at risk. So if you want to see fewer games between top ranked teams.....
Did DUKE move up by winning in OT thriller? Was 2-loss VA punished but not ALA? Or is it 3-loss VA now?
Yes Im sure they did but they werent ranked high enough to make the PO's.
Was ND punished for not playing another game but ALA rewarded? It's a mess again.
No ND was punished for having a dog shit SOS and losing the H2H with Miami. ND lost both games they played against good teams. They then played a cupcake schedule. They should have never been in the top 10, and were there based on name only. If you switched all the players and coaches on the ND and JMU squad, and had the "New JMU" play the ND schedule and the "New ND" play the JMU schedule with the same results people would be make the same argument for the "New ND" they are making right now for ND.
This is how people can see this fix, this sweetheart deal.

Perhaps they should just say. All teams with fewest losses are in the pool. That would be up to two losses this year. Then pick from those?
Teams would stop playing difficult OOC teams, and they likely will. If UT doesn't play OSU this year they are likely a PO team....
 
That is and always has been the "deal". If it werent teams would stop playing in them. CCG's are a huge revenue stream for the conferences, so they dont want to give them up. If a team in Alabama's position (nothing to gain by playing in the CCG) why would they play in it? Even UGA really didnt gain anything by playing that game. Started 3 ended 3. Why would OSU play that game against IU? If they win they are #1 seed same as if they dont play. There's no upside, and you put every player on the field at risk. So if you want to see fewer games between top ranked teams.....

Yes Im sure they did but they werent ranked high enough to make the PO's.

No ND was punished for having a dog shit SOS and losing the H2H with Miami. ND lost both games they played against good teams. They then played a cupcake schedule. They should have never been in the top 10, and were there based on name only. If you switched all the players and coaches on the ND and JMU squad, and had the "New JMU" play the ND schedule and the "New ND" play the JMU schedule with the same results people would be make the same argument for the "New ND" they are making right now for ND.

Teams would stop playing difficult OOC teams, and they likely will. If UT doesn't play OSU this year they are likely a PO team....


ND beat USC when they were ranked I am pretty sure. 41-40 thriller to A&M. PITT and other games. People too hard on them now to secon guess. You didn't know this last SEPT. Neither did they. ND beat ARK badly.

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It's tough. Can't have it all. The suits had ND ranked high (top ten?) all year until they realized ALA could be out.

Yes, its a mess.
 
ND beat USC when they were ranked I am pretty sure. 41-40 thriller to A&M. PITT and other games. People too hard on them now to secon guess. You didn't know this last SEPT. Neither did they. ND beat ARK badly.

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USC was not a good team and they were a horrible road team they had 3 losses and all of them on the road. Pitt isnt ranked. Where a team is ranked when you play them is irrelevant it's where they end up see Penn State this year preseason #2 and currently a .500 team. South Carolina was ranked as high as 11, they are 4-8. FSU as high as 7, they are 5-7. LSU #3, 7-5, Clemson #4, 7-5. I can go on and on. ND had to beat either TAM or Miami and they didnt. That's why they are not in the CFP. ND wants all the benefits of not being in a conference but none of the risk.
 
It's tough. Can't have it all. The suits had ND ranked high (top ten?) all year until they realized ALA could be out.

Yes, its a mess.
Alabama getting in has zero to do with ND being out. Alabama was in last week as well when ND was in. Miami replaced ND not Alabama.

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And why everyone seems to keep forgetting that the CFP format has 2 at large CC's getting in. So being at 10 is a precarious position.
 
Where a team is ranked when you play them is irrelevant it's where they end up


Well all year I heard "beating ranked opponents" counts for quality wins, so there is that. I only saw ND when I bet on the A&M game. They looked solid then. They win thay eye test. ALA looks pretty good if you ignore the OKLA GA or AUB games.

Again, it's tough. Who goes out if ND goes in?

It used to be easier with only 4 teams or even two selected lol! Suits picked it then, they still pick it. Follow the money. TV draw.
 
We get to see OKLA vs. AlA again right away. Wonder if the REFs will be all in on ALA?
 
Well all year I heard "beating ranked opponents" counts for quality wins, so there is that. I only saw ND when I bet on the A&M game. They looked solid then. They win thay eye test. ALA looks pretty good if you ignore the OKLA GA or AUB games.
Yes that is correct. The best win in ND's schedule (the only win against a ranked opponent) is USC. Who is currently ranked 16.

Miami beat ND who's ranked 11 so who had the better win?

Alabama (since you tihnk they are the reason ND isnt in the PO) Had wins against UGA #3, Ole Miss #6 and Vandy #14.....
Again, it's tough. Who goes out if ND goes in?
Why is this a question? Why is the default that ND gets in? They didnt have the wins to get in. Join the ACC and they are in the PO. This is the risk of not being in a conference.
It used to be easier with only 4 teams or even two selected lol! Suits picked it then, they still pick it. Follow the money. TV draw.

ND isnt a TV draw? LMAO
 
Yes that is correct. The best win in ND's schedule (the only win against a ranked opponent) is USC. Who is currently ranked 16.

Miami beat ND who's ranked 11 so who had the better win?

Alabama (since you tihnk they are the reason ND isnt in the PO) Had wins against UGA #3, Ole Miss #6 and Vandy #14.....

Why is this a question? Why is the default that ND gets in? They didnt have the wins to get in. Join the ACC and they are in the PO. This is the risk of not being in a conference.


ND isnt a TV draw? Lloss?

I've never been much for suit rankings at start of year automatically with all the same names (MICH OSU ALA GA etc) up high until they fail.

Bottom line, ND lost twice only. ALA was blown out SAT yet "it doesn't matter" because ND played who was on the schedule? Three or four of those teams were ranked off/on. Mia only beat them in a miracle fashion, perhaps aided by referee calls at Mia if I rememberback them correctly.

People think the system, the refs are rigged. Letting ALA skate in dies nothing to help that. Starting all the SEC juggernaughts in the top ten does not help either.

How about no rankings till the end?

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Was ND was ranked over ALA and MIA before ALA third loss? At any time?

ND probably knocked some teams out of the top 25 as they beat them going up? BSU ARK maybe NCST were in out of rankings I am pretty sure.

Not arguing, but it seems odd? ALA stunk it up vs. GA. Has to count? But apparently not?
 
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Fri Dec. 19th:
Alabama (-1.5) @ Oklahoma 8 PM (ABC)

Sat. Dec. 20th:
Miami @ Texas A&M (-4) -- 12 PM (ABC)
Tulane @ Ole Miss (-16.5) -- 3:30 (TNT)
JMU @ Oregon (-20.5) -- 7:30 (TNT)

ABC don't even want to bother with the last two games.
 
I've never been much for suit rankings at start of year automatically with all the same names (MICH OSU ALA GA etc) up high until they fail.

Bottom line, ND lost twice only. ALA was blown out SAT yet "it doesn't matter" because ND played who was on the schedule?

College teams set their schedule. They decided to play cupcakes. You dont think there's a reason they scheduled their 2 toughest games that early? They know people like you will forget those loses or discount them because they are so far in the "past". The committee didnt.

Three or four of those teams were ranked off/on. Mia only beat them in a miracle fashion, perhaps aided by referee calls at Mia if I rememberback them correctly.
OMG here we go with the "it's the refs fault" bullshit. They lost. That's it.
People think the system, the refs are rigged. Letting ALA skate in dies nothing to help that. Starting all the SEC juggernaughts in the top ten does not help either.
Why is it so hard for you to grasp that the CCG's have no bearing on whether teams get in or not. The committee said this last year, (SMU anyone?), this has nothing to do with Alabama.

ND has the 2nd largest fanbase in the us at 8.21 million fans (OSU is #1) Alabama is 8. Miami isnt even on the list.


This isnt about TV ratings. Not entirely.
How about no rankings till the end?

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Was ND was ranked over ALA and MIA before ALA third loss? At any time?
Not above Alabama. Alabama has 3 wins over top 15 schools. 2 over teams currently in the PO's.
ND probably knocked some teams out of the top 25 as they beat them going up? BSU ARK maybe NCST were in out of rankings I am pretty sure.
BSU, Ark and NCST were never ranked. Ark is 2-10. NCST is 7-5.
Not arguing, but it seems odd? ALA stunk it up vs. GA. Has to count? But apparently not?

Why does it "have to count"? Why should teams who are good enough to play in their CCG be punished? OU, TAM, Ole Miss all have 2 losses, would have likely lost to UGA had they been good enough to play in their CCG but get in because they werent? What kind of fucked up logic is that? Oregon as well would have lost to IU or OSU but gets in because they didnt have to play that game?

How does that makes sense?
 
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College teams set their schedule. They decided to play cupcakes. You dont think there's a reason they scheduled their 2 toughest games that early? They know people like you will forget those loses or discount them because they are so far in the "past". The committee didnt.


OMG here we go with the "it's the refs fault" bullshit. They lost. That's it.

Why is it so hard for you to grasp that the CCG's have no bearing on whether teams get in or not. The committee said this last year, (SMU anyone?), this has nothing to do with Alabama.

ND has the 2nd largest fanbase in the us at 8.21 million fans (OSU is #1) Alabama is 8. Miami isnt even on the list.


This isnt about TV ratings. Not entirely.

Not above Alabama. Alabama has 3 wins over top 15 schools. 2 over teams currently in the PO's.

BSU, Ark and NCST were never ranked. Ark is 2-10. NCST is 7-5.


Why does it "have to count"? Why should teams who are good enough to play in their CCG be punished? OU, TAM, Ole Miss all have 2 losses, would have likely lost to UGA had they been good enough to play in their CCG but get in because they werent? What kind of fucked up logic is that? Oregon as well would have lost to IU or OSU but gets in because they didnt have to play that game?

How does that makes sense?


By your logic the ALA loss does not 'count" but TX A&M beating ND does count? I don't know where to begin with that?

You should buy a suit and smoke cigars with the TV good Ole boys.
 
By your logic the ALA loss does not 'count" but TX A&M beating ND does count? I don't know where to begin with that?

You should buy a suit and smoke cigars with the TV good Ole boys.
One is a regular season game ND v TAM. The other is a post season game the most recent Ala v UGA game.

So, no...

ND is the literal epitome of guys in suits smoking cigars in the "good ole boys" club. It's why they were so surprised to be left out of the PO with that weak ass schedule.
 
One is a regular season game ND v TAM. The other is a post season game the most recent Ala v UGA game.

So, no...

ND is the literal epitome of guys in suits smoking cigars in the "good ole boys" club. It's why they were so surprised to be left out of the PO with that weak ass schedule.

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Voice text , how you lose your factor alabama laid down last two of their last four look like c*** , notre dame was rolling over everybody , giving the sec a pass every single year as tiresome
So ND rolling over Syracuse and Stanford who are both 4-8 is supposed to be compared to playing UGA?

LMAO..

UGA has 4 more wins than Syracuse and Stanford combined.

ND didn't have the resume. They just didn't. ND has no one to blame but themselves for not making the PO's.
 
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