Independent Candidate leads poll

[imawhosure]

Sell us….
What VIABLE / SUSTAINABLE policies do these third party politicians pitch that get you Fence-sitters all giddy?

Broke, have you looked up the Forward Party that Mac is all hot and bothered about? Founder-----> Andrew Yang.

Do you know why it is a self admission of failure? Because Yang is the same guy who ran as Dem for 2020. Now, if we use logic and forget Yangs 2020 performance, logically with his new massive following, he could challenge Biden in the primary if Joe runs, and even if Joe doesn't run, enter the primaries as a Democrat. All Forward Party members change their affiliation to Democrat, and bam, Yang becomes the Democrat candidate for President. With that status, he becomes the defacto leader of the party, and sets most of the agenda for the Presidential run on the Democrat side.

Democrats are no more than 37 or 38% of the population, so they should overwhelm the rest of the field, and propel him into being the candidate, yes! So why not do this? ANSWER-------> Because they do not think they can win the Democratic primary, plain and simple!

And so, if they can not defeat 37% of the population who hardly show up to vote in Presidential primaries, and they have Yang who has rabid supporters to push him in, what does math tell you his odds of winning when running as an Independent! Zilch, nada, forget about it.

I am not talking badly about, or in favor of Yang policies. I am talking about the flawed concept of the political plan of attack. The extreme far Left already knew this, which is why they concentrated their efforts on one of the big 2, instead of starting their own party. Yang, Mac, and the rest of the Forward Party should take note, if they want to make an impact!

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Thanks to folks like you on both sides that put part before country

Interesting typo. It inspires me to start using new terminology. Because "party over country" just doesn't seem to quite fully describe the attitudes of many of these people. It's not enough to them to win. They don't want for the entire country to see things their way. What they really long for is adversaries to crush and obliterate.

It seems to me what they really want is partition over country, and that's the way I'm going to start talking about it from now on.

 

[marvin martian]

All the ignorant personal attacks over an OP that includes none.

Always a good sign.

Stating the fact that you'll again vote for Joe Biden isn't a personal attack. You've been more than clear you fully support him.

 

[Mac1958]

Stating the fact that you'll again vote for Joe Biden isn't a personal attack. You've been more than clear you fully support him.

And yet, you can't list the issues on which I agree with him.

I remain curious about why you people are so eager to demonstrate your ignorance.

 

[pknopp]

(watch this folks, the fence-sitters can NEVER answer these simple questions)
I’m curious…what VIABLE / SUSTAINABLE policies do these third party politicians pitch that get you Fence-sitters all giddy….AND can those policies be sold to this new American populous you’ve created?

Can fence-sitting LibTarians sell all the compartmentalized factions they’ve created on the ideas of smaller government, less spending and higher taxes for all?
Do you really see desperate minorities, faggots, rug munchers, chicks with dicks, feminazis, the barely Americans embracing such ideals?

I welcome Golfing Gator dblack pknopp gipper Harry Dresden and all fence-sitters to take a stab at this.

I'm not a fence sitter. I just don't want to join your cult as it doesn't interest.me.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I'm not a fence sitter. I just don't want to join your cult as it doesn't interest.me.

But one of the two ”cults” are going to win with or without you.
Don’t you prefer the less of the two evils?

 

[BrokeLoser]

There is one thing that concerns me more than either the rise of autocratic White "Christian" Nationalism from the Right

“Rise”?
What are you talking about….didn’t ”white Christian Nationalists” build you the greatest nation on the globe in a short 150 years?
Did their methodologies and ideals time out?

That is a clear and adult answer. Neither your agreement nor your understanding are required.

Hahaha…you’ve become such a typical predictable Lib-
“Say what I want you to say or don’t say anything at all.”
Sad.

 

[kyzr]

Thanks to folks like you on both sides that put part before country

Moron.
Voting for a candidate that has a probability of winning, and whose policies you support more than the other party's is putting country before party.
When you vote for a 3rd party candidate your vote has zero probability of affecting US policies, ergo you are putting "party" before country.

See the difference. You accuse others of what you are doing.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Moron.
Voting for a candidate that has a probability of winning, and whose policies you support more than the other party's is putting country before party.
When you vote for a 3rd party candidate your vote has zero probability of affecting US policies, ergo you are putting "party" before country.

See the difference. You accuse others of what you are doing.

Every candidate has a probability of winning if people would vote for them.

But we are stuck in an endless cycle of this.....A third party candidate cannot win because nobody will vote for them....nobody will vote for them since they cannot win. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and we are stuck choosing between a punch to the gut or a punch to the head.

 

[Mac1958]

Every candidate has a probability of winning if people would vote for them.

But we are stuck in an endless cycle of this.....A third party candidate cannot win because nobody will vote for them....nobody will vote for them since they cannot win. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and we are stuck choosing between a punch to the gut or a punch to the head.

A big part of the problem is that many seem to be just fine choosing between a punch to the gut or a punch to the head.

Many of us are insulted by the game. Many clearly are not. There's some kind of comfort for them in it.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Moron.
Voting for a candidate that has a probability of winning, and whose policies you support more than the other party's is putting country before party.
When you vote for a 3rd party candidate your vote has zero probability of affecting US policies, ergo you are putting "party" before country.

See the difference. You accuse others of what you are doing.

For what ever the reason you can’t make the obvious make sense to these fence-sitters…they look at you like you’re crazy for being too logical, too sensible.
I’ve ran in circles with dblack and Golfing Gator on this issue…somehow they somehow believe they are doing their country a great service by basically not participating in the electoral process.
Twilight Zone shit.

 

[BrokeLoser]

A big part of the problem is that many seem to be just fine choosing between a punch to the gut or a punch to the head.

Many of us are insulted by the game. Many clearly are not. There's some kind of comfort for them in it.

Hold on a minute…didn’t you just vote against a president who talked mean but kicked ass and for an almost dead barely coherent guy who makes you feel warmer and fuzzier inside with nicer words?
It seems that emotional voters may be our biggest problem…no?

 

[Mac1958]

Hold on a minute…didn’t you just vote against a president who talked mean but kicked ass and for an almost dead barely coherent guy who makes you feel warmer and fuzzier inside with nicer words?
It seems that emotional voters may be our biggest problem…no?

You don't know why I voted for Biden. And that's fine with me.

And you're free to fabricate anything you want. It's all you do. It's what you are.

 

[BrokeLoser]

You don't know why I voted for Biden. And that's fine with me.

And you're free to fabricate anything you want. It's all you do. It's what you are.

It’s well documented here…you have told us you voted for Biden because he would restore order in politics, create calm and unify Americans…you said he was “presidential”, you said he wasn’t a “petulant” child. Remember?

 

[Mac1958]

It’s well documented here…you have told us you voted for Biden because he would restore order in politics, create calm and unify Americans…you said he was “presidential”, you said he wasn’t a “petulant” child. Remember?

As I said, you don't know why I voted for him.

Even though I've said it many times.

Gawd, you're boring.

 

[kyzr]

Every candidate has a probability of winning if people would vote for them.
But we are stuck in an endless cycle of this.....A third party candidate cannot win because nobody will vote for them....nobody will vote for them since they cannot win. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and we are stuck choosing between a punch to the gut or a punch to the head.

OK, so which would you prefer, a punch in the gut or a punch in the head?
Actually its more like a kick in the balls, or a slap on the wrist.
One of the parties should better align with your politics.
We all make that choice whenever we vote, and its not going to change.
Do you want your vote to count or not? Voting 3rd party is a waste of a vote.

 

[22lcidw]

And yet, you can't list the issues on which I agree with him.

I remain curious about why you people are so eager to demonstrate your ignorance.

When people get poor enough, you can throw all of those social agendas out the window.

You don't know why I voted for Biden. And that's fine with me.

And you're free to fabricate anything you want. It's all you do. It's what you are.

Human history takes turns in directions. As we have seen here for decades. It will turn again.

 

[Orangecat]

We can keep bending over for this, or we can choose to change it.

The only real change will come when we reduce the size and scope of the federal government.
A different carved figurehead at the bow won't change the course of the Titanic.

 

[Mac1958]

I understand, I really do, but barring a .mil coup where both parties are outlawed a third party will always just be a spoiler.....I mean even Teddy Roosevelt could not do it.

If the Forward Party, for example, could just be successful in inspiring reasonable change to our political/electoral system (Our Platform), I would be overjoyed. Fix the system in which these crooks and liars operate. Just that one thing.

I'm not looking for miracles or spectacular victories. But maybe some new ideas can be brought to the public square to get us out of this goddamn ugly self-inflicted mess.

 

[pknopp]

But one of the two ”cults” are going to win with or without you.
Don’t you prefer the less of the two evils?

Nope.