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this is a troll thread on the 2nd amendment posing as a thread on the terrorist attacks
In light of the attacks in Paris...shall we discuss gun control?
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2aguy
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No twit....if these people had been able to fight back and stop the attacks there would be a lot less fearful people in France..right now....they all know that at any time, they could be caught in an attack and would be able to do nothing to save themselves...that is how fear is created...helplessness in the face of a threat.....
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No twit...this is a discussion of gun control laws in the face of a massive terrorist attack in a country with extreme gun control...gun control that is supposed to keep these things from happening....
And of course..typical lefty....trying to get the thread silenced.....
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Are we sure this is a terrorist attack? Could it be disgruntled employees or maybe there is a video out there that offended someone. I wonder if they are mad because they made a cartoon character of their God.
It has to be triggered by something.
I also know it isn't ISIS because they pose no threat as I have heard many on this board say.
It has to be triggered by something.
I also know it isn't ISIS because they pose no threat as I have heard many on this board say.
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Careful, we aren't allowed to use the word terrorist, they are freedom fighters.
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You make me laugh with your childish gun nut fantasies
300 million guns in this country and we still have 8000 murders. One gun for every adult and you don't do a thing to stop murder, you only commit them. You shoot your wives, you shoot your girlfriends, you shoot whoever looks at you the wrong way.
You leave your guns around and allow children to play with them
You guys are a disease
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You are more likely to be shot by someone in your house if they have a violent past, a violent criminal record, a history of mental illness or a history of alcoholism or drug abuse.....
If you don't have any of those situations and you have a gun in the house you are more likely to die in your car...
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A little too interested IMO.
2aguy
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See...you don't even know what you are talking about.....normal people don't shoot people..the people committing gun crime are people with long histories of violence and anti social behavior and long criminal records....you anti gun extremists keep lying by trying to say normal people, without any history of violence, buy a gun and all of a sudden murder their wife over a burned dinner....it...does...not...happen.....
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Yes...with 300 million guns, you are a normal person up until the time you pull the trigger
You are a disease
2aguy
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Here, this is who the people who shoot people actually are...criminals...killing other criminals...over drugs and other crimes...not normal people...
Most murder victims in big cities have criminal record
A review of murder statistics across America shows that in many large cities, up to 90 percent of the victims have criminal records.
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The report concludes that “of the 2011 homicide victims, 77 percent (66) had a least one prior arrest and of the known 2011 homicide suspects 90 percent (74) had at least one prior arrest.”
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In early 2012, after pressure put on the police by murder victims’ families in New Orleans, the police department stopped revealing whether or not the murder victim had a prior record.
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Though data is no longer published in Baltimore, USA Today reported in 2007 that 91 percent of the then-205 murder victims in the city between Jan. 1 and Aug. 31, 2007, had criminal records.
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A WND review of the Philadelphia Police Department Murder and Shooting Analysis for 2011 shows a similar pattern to that of other large cities in America – a majority of the murder victims have prior records.
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In Philadelphia in 2011, of 324 murders, 81 percent (263) of the victims had at least one prior arrest; 62 percent (164) had been arrested for a violent crime prior to their murder.
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In Newark, N.J., long considered one of America’s most dangerous cities, 85 percent of the 165 murder victims between 2009 and 2010 had serious arrest histories.
Anthony Braga, a professor with the Rutgers-Newark School of Criminal Justice, told the Newark Star-Ledger that 85 percent of 165 murder victims in Newark between 2009 and 2010 had been arrested at least once before they were killed.
Those victims, he said, had, on average, 10 prior arrests on their criminal records.
A WND review of the Chicago Police Department Murder Analysis reports from 2003 to 2011 provides a statistical breakdown of the demographics of both the victims and offenders in the 4,265 murders in Chicago over that time period.
Of the victims of murder in Chicago from 2003 to 2011, an average of 77 percent had a prior arrest history, with a high of 79 percent of the 436 murdered in Chicago in 2010 having arrest histories.
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Public Health Pot Shots
this article goes at kellerman extensively and his crap research.....and here is some work on who actually kills people...
These and other studies funded by the CDC focus on the presence or absence of guns, rather than the characteristics of the people who use them. Indeed, the CDC's Rosenberg claims in the journalEducational Horizons that murderers are "ourselves--ordinary citizens, professionals, even health care workers": people who kill only because a gun happens to be available. Yet if there is one fact that has been incontestably established by homicide studies, it's that murderers are not ordinary gun owners but extreme aberrants whose life histories include drug abuse, serious accidents, felonies, and irrational violence.
Unlike "ourselves," roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have significant criminal records, averaging an adult criminal career of six or more years with four major felonies.
Access to juvenile records would almost certainly show that the criminal careers of murderers stretch back into their adolescence. In Murder in America (1994), the criminologists Ronald W. Holmes and Stephen T. Holmes report that murderers generally "have histories of committing personal violence in childhood, against other children, siblings, and small animals." Murderers who don't have criminal records usually have histories of psychiatric treatment or domestic violence that did not lead to arrest.
Contrary to the impression fostered by Rosenberg and other opponents of gun ownership, the term "acquaintance homicide" does not mean killings that stem from ordinary family or neighborhood arguments. Typical acquaintance homicides include: an abusive man eventually killing a woman he has repeatedly assaulted; a drug user killing a dealer (or vice versa) in a robbery attempt; and gang members, drug dealers, and other criminals killing each other for reasons of economic rivalry or personal pique.
According to a 1993 article in the Journal of Trauma, 80 percent of murders in Washington, D.C., are related to the drug trade, while "84% of [Philadelphia murder] victims in 1990 had antemortem drug use or criminal history."
A 1994 article in The New England Journal of Medicinereported that 71 percent of Los Angeles children and adolescents injured in drive-by shootings "were documented members of violent street gangs." And University of North Carolina-Charlotte criminal justice scholars Richard Lumb and Paul C. Friday report that 71 percent of adult gunshot wound victims in Charlotte have criminal records.
Gangs in Fort Meyers Florida...
NBC2 Investigates: Gangs in Southwest Florida
The City of Fort Myers has been plagued with violence and murder. NBC2 Investigator Dave Elias dug deeper and found that drugs, crime and gangs are the common elements between those killings.
Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott says the three go hand-in-hand and all appear to be playing a big role in the city's crime problem.
"They're punks. They're criminals. And in most cases – cowards," said Sheriff Scott.
He also explained that gang members live by a much different set of rules.
"We're at a more violent time right now than at any time I recall," said Sheriff Scott. "You're talking about an area that - per capita - is on par with Detroit Michigan, in terms of homicides."
There were 25 murders in Fort Myers alone last year. And Sheriff Scott says all of the killings have those three things in common – drugs, crime and gangs.
"In most every case this is criminal killing criminal. This is bad guy on bad guy," he said.
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The Kate and Mauser study.......
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
I. VIOLENCE: THE DECISIVENESS OF SOCIAL FACTORS
One reason the extent of gun ownership in a society does not spur the murder rate is that murderers are not spread evenly throughout the population. Analysis of perpetrator studies shows that violent criminals—especially murderers—“almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behav‐ ior.”37 So it would not appreciably raise violence if all law‐ abiding, responsible people had firearms because they are not the ones who rape, rob, or murder.38 By the same token, violent crime would not fall if guns were totally banned to civilians. As the respective examples of Luxembourg and Russia suggest,39 individuals who commit violent crimes will either find guns despite severe controls or will find other weapons to use. 40
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III. DO ORDINARY PEOPLE MURDER?
The “more guns equal more death” mantra seems plausible only when viewed through the rubric that murders mostly in‐ volve ordinary people who kill because they have access to a firearm when they get angry. If this were true, murder might well increase where people have ready access to firearms, but the available data provides no such correlation. Nations and
areas with more guns per capita do not have higher murder rates than those with fewer guns per capita.53
Nevertheless, critics of gun ownership often argue that a “gun in the closet to protect against burglars will most likely be used to shoot a spouse in a moment of rage . . . . The problem is you and me—law‐abiding folks;”54 that banning handgun posses‐ sion only for those with criminal records will “fail to protect us from the most likely source of handgun murder: ordinary citi‐ zens;”55 that “most gun‐related homicides . . . are the result of impulsive actions taken by individuals who have little or no criminal background or who are known to the victims;”56 that “the majority of firearm homicide[s occur] . . . not as the result of criminal activity, but because of arguments between people who know each other;”57 that each year there are thousands of gun murders “by law‐abiding citizens who might have stayed law‐abiding if they had not possessed firearms.”58
These comments appear to rest on no evidence and actually con‐ tradict facts that have so uniformly been established by homicide studies dating back to the 1890s that they have become “crimino‐ logical axioms.”59 Insofar as studies focus on perpetrators, they show that neither a majority, nor many, nor virtually any murder‐ ers are ordinary “law‐abiding citizens.”60
Rather, almost all mur‐ derers are extremely aberrant individuals with life histories of violence, psychopathology, substance abuse, and other dangerous behaviors. “The vast majority of persons involved in life‐ threatening violence have a long criminal record with many prior contacts with the justice system.”61 “Thus homicide—[whether] of a
stranger or [of] someone known to the offender—‘is usually part of a pattern of violence, engaged in by people who are known . . . as violence prone.’”62
Though only 15% of Americans over the age of 15 have arrest records,63 approximately 90 percent of “adult mur‐ derers have adult records, with an average adult criminal career [involving crimes committed as an adult rather than a child] of six or more years, including four major adult felony arrests.”64
These national statistics dovetail with data from local nineteenth and twentieth century studies. For example: victims as well as offenders [in 1950s and 1960s Philadelphia murders] . . . tended to be people with prior police records, usually for violent crimes such as as‐ sault.”65
“The great majority of both perpetrators and victims of [1970s Harlem] assaults and murders had previous [adult] arrests, probably over 80% or more.”66 Boston police and probation officers in the 1990s agreed that of those juvenile‐perpetrated murders where all the facts were known, virtually all were committed by gang members, though the killing was not necessarily gang‐ directed. 67 One example would be a gang member who stabs his girlfriend to death in a fit of anger.68 Regardless of their arrests for other crimes, 80% of 1997 Atlanta murder arrestees had at least one earlier drug offense with 70% having 3 or more prior drug of‐ fenses.69
A New York Times study of the 1,662 murders committed in that city in the years 2003–2005 found that “[m]ore than 90 percent of the killers had criminal records.”70 Baltimore police figures show that “92 percent of murder suspects had [prior] criminal records in 2006.”71 Several of the more recent homicide studies just reviewed
Please...do some research into the topic before you lie....
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again...here you go twit...please read this and try to understand it....
These comments appear to rest on no evidence and actually con‐ tradict facts that have so uniformly been established by homicide studies dating back to the 1890s that they have become “crimino‐ logical axioms.”59
Insofar as studies focus on perpetrators, they show that neither a majority, nor many, nor virtually any murder‐ ers are ordinary “law‐abiding citizens.”60
Rather, almost all mur‐ derers are extremely aberrant individuals with life histories of violence, psychopathology, substance abuse, and other dangerous behaviors. “The vast majority of persons involved in life‐ threatening violence have a long criminal record with many prior contacts with the justice system.”61 “Thus homicide—[whether] of a
Unlike "ourselves," roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have significant criminal records, averaging an adult criminal career of six or more years with four major felonies.
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My gun control ideas actually work....lock up gun criminals.....that stops them....your ideas..are stupid wastes of time...just ask the French...who have implemented every single gun law you guys fantasize about....and see how that worked out for them...
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Why don't you simply submit to the lefty gun controllers....you guys all come on here and bitch and moan...about the guys defending the right to the 2nd Amendment.....I am on here a lot ....never saw one post by you defending the right.......moron.
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Yes....and the anti gunners are coming out....
Actor Michael Ian Black Uses Paris Terror to Mock U.S. Gun Laws Mid-Attack
As the November 13 terror attacks in Paris were still ongoing actor Michael Ian Black used them to mock U.S. gun laws and to wish that the number of Americans who die in shootings could be as small as the number who were reported dead in Paris.
Actor Michael Ian Black Uses Paris Terror to Mock U.S. Gun Laws Mid-Attack
As the November 13 terror attacks in Paris were still ongoing actor Michael Ian Black used them to mock U.S. gun laws and to wish that the number of Americans who die in shootings could be as small as the number who were reported dead in Paris.
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