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In Jerusalem, Israel now.
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theliq
Platinum Member
- Banned
- #662
Really Hoss calling me an Anti-Semite,is wearing a bit thin...........but Keep the Bullshit spewing if it makes you feel better Mentally, I have broad shoulders Hoss,always remember my friend I can always carry you to safety.steveInaccurate Post..should be REMOVED...Come on Hossy,this is some of your worst prose my friend.......I have told you before STOP drinking that cheap Whiskey...steveI still wonder what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site Art first picked up about these "khazars." I don't believe any of us had ever heard about this khazar shtick before until it was dragged up from hate sites by anti-Semites, and consequently these "khazars" have been dragged up for years and years on these forums time and time again, as they were just now by Art.. Tell us, Art, since living in Germany you have to see many Muslim immigrants living around you now, such as the Turks. They came for jobs, didn't they? Do you think the earlier Arabs would have come to Israel from their poor countries if the Jews didn't have jobs for them?The Khazar myth has been disproven over and over. get with the program
The real history of the East-European Jews, who stem from Khazars, Slavs and other non-Semitic tribes, was generally accepted by all Jewish historians before the creation of Israel, and it has been re-proven over and over again.
There is new evidence from the field of linguistics, archaeology, demography and even genetics.
The invented history of European Jews is based on "miracles", but any educated person can understand that science is incompatible with miracles:
These numbers have raised some questions before: at least one historian called the increase in Jewish population a “demographic miracle.”28 Jits van Straten, a microbiologist by training and genealogist by avocation, recently reconsidered the demographic statistics for Jewish and non-Jewish populations in 19th-century Europe and the explanations given for the “miracle,” and finds them grossly inadequate: it would have required not a metaphorical but a literal miracle defying the laws of nature for the Ashkenazi Jewish population to increase that fast. 29
http://www.yale.edu/ccr/woodworth/woodworth_Yiddish_Jan2010.pdf
The Invention of the Jewish People Shlomo Sand Yael Lotan 9781844676231 Amazon.com Books
The Thirteenth Tribe The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage Arthur Koestler 9780445042421 Amazon.com Books
The Ashkenazic Jews A Slavo-Turkic People in Search of a Jewish Identity Paul Wexler 9780893572419 Amazon.com Books
A major difficulty with the Rhineland Hypothesis, in addition to the lack of historical and anthropological evidence to the multi-migration waves from Palestine to Europe (Straten 2003; Sand 2009), is to explain the vast population expansion of Eastern European Jews from 50 thousand (15th century) to 8 million (20th century). This growth could not possibly be the product of natural population expansion (Koestler 1976; Straten 2007), particularly one subjected to severe economic restrictions, slavery, assimilation, the Black Death and other plagues, forced and voluntary conversions, persecutions, kidnappings, rapes, exiles, wars, massacres, and pogroms (Koestler 1976; Sand 2009). Such an unnatural growth rate (1.7-2% annually) over half a millennia, affecting only Jews residing in Eastern Europe is commonly explained by a miracle (Atzmon et al. 2010). Unfortunately, this divine intervention explanation poses a new kind of problem - it is not science. Our findings reject the Rhineland Hypothesis and uphold the thesis that Eastern European Jews are Judeo-Khazars in origin.
...
Our results fit with evidence from a wide range of fields. Linguistic findings depict Eastern European Jews as descended from a minority of Israelite-Palestinian Jewish emigrates who intermarried with a larger heterogeneous population of converts to Judaism from the Caucasus, the Balkans, and the Germano-Sorb lands (Wexler 1993). Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language that was re-lexified to High German at an early date (Wexler 1993). Our findings are also in agreement with genetic, archeological, historical, linguistic, and anthropological studies and reconcile contradicting genetic findings regarding European Jewish ancestry (Polak 1951; Patai and Patai 1975; Wexler 1993; Brook 2006; Kopelman et al. 2009; Sand 2009). Finally, our findings confirm both oral narratives and the canonical Jewish literature describing the Khazar’s conversion to Judaism and the JudeoKhazarian ancestry of European Jews (e.g., “Sefer ha-Ittim” by Rabbi Jehudah ben Barzillai [1100] , “Sefer ha-Kabbalah” by Abraham ben Daud [1161 CE], and “The Khazars” by Rabbi Jehudah Halevi [1140 CE]) (Polak 1951; Koestler 1976).
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1208/1208.1092.pdf
Palestinians The Invented People
The latest seems to knock down the "khazar" theory.
New genetic study More evidence for modern Ashkenazi Jews ancient Hebrew patrimony Scope Blog
Perhaps Art and the others into this khazar shtick should read this too.
Articles Who are the JewsI guess you, as an anti-Semite, want the post removed because it tells the truth. That cheap whiskey that you drink every day has fogged up your brain. Now I wonder where Steve, Art and the other anti-Semites on this forum have gotten their info about the "Khazars." As is stated in the following article, ". Some two hundred websites claim to describe a cabal known as the "Khazarian Zionist Bolsheviks" (KZV). Neo-Nazi and Holocaust denial organizations and websites are particularly fond of the Khazar myth...Arab and Islamist propagandists have long bandied about the "Ashkenazim as Khazars" theory and Iran’s genocidal leaders adore it. Al-Jazeera has been using the Khazar story to urge a worldwide Christian religious war against the Khazar pseudo-Jewish imperialists.Inaccurate Post..should be REMOVED...Come on Hossy,this is some of your worst prose my friend.......I have told you before STOP drinking that cheap Whiskey...steveI still wonder what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site Art first picked up about these "khazars." I don't believe any of us had ever heard about this khazar shtick before until it was dragged up from hate sites by anti-Semites, and consequently these "khazars" have been dragged up for years and years on these forums time and time again, as they were just now by Art.. Tell us, Art, since living in Germany you have to see many Muslim immigrants living around you now, such as the Turks. They came for jobs, didn't they? Do you think the earlier Arabs would have come to Israel from their poor countries if the Jews didn't have jobs for them?The Khazar myth has been disproven over and over. get with the program
The real history of the East-European Jews, who stem from Khazars, Slavs and other non-Semitic tribes, was generally accepted by all Jewish historians before the creation of Israel, and it has been re-proven over and over again.
There is new evidence from the field of linguistics, archaeology, demography and even genetics.
The invented history of European Jews is based on "miracles", but any educated person can understand that science is incompatible with miracles:
These numbers have raised some questions before: at least one historian called the increase in Jewish population a “demographic miracle.”28 Jits van Straten, a microbiologist by training and genealogist by avocation, recently reconsidered the demographic statistics for Jewish and non-Jewish populations in 19th-century Europe and the explanations given for the “miracle,” and finds them grossly inadequate: it would have required not a metaphorical but a literal miracle defying the laws of nature for the Ashkenazi Jewish population to increase that fast. 29
http://www.yale.edu/ccr/woodworth/woodworth_Yiddish_Jan2010.pdf
The Invention of the Jewish People Shlomo Sand Yael Lotan 9781844676231 Amazon.com Books
The Thirteenth Tribe The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage Arthur Koestler 9780445042421 Amazon.com Books
The Ashkenazic Jews A Slavo-Turkic People in Search of a Jewish Identity Paul Wexler 9780893572419 Amazon.com Books
A major difficulty with the Rhineland Hypothesis, in addition to the lack of historical and anthropological evidence to the multi-migration waves from Palestine to Europe (Straten 2003; Sand 2009), is to explain the vast population expansion of Eastern European Jews from 50 thousand (15th century) to 8 million (20th century). This growth could not possibly be the product of natural population expansion (Koestler 1976; Straten 2007), particularly one subjected to severe economic restrictions, slavery, assimilation, the Black Death and other plagues, forced and voluntary conversions, persecutions, kidnappings, rapes, exiles, wars, massacres, and pogroms (Koestler 1976; Sand 2009). Such an unnatural growth rate (1.7-2% annually) over half a millennia, affecting only Jews residing in Eastern Europe is commonly explained by a miracle (Atzmon et al. 2010). Unfortunately, this divine intervention explanation poses a new kind of problem - it is not science. Our findings reject the Rhineland Hypothesis and uphold the thesis that Eastern European Jews are Judeo-Khazars in origin.
...
Our results fit with evidence from a wide range of fields. Linguistic findings depict Eastern European Jews as descended from a minority of Israelite-Palestinian Jewish emigrates who intermarried with a larger heterogeneous population of converts to Judaism from the Caucasus, the Balkans, and the Germano-Sorb lands (Wexler 1993). Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language that was re-lexified to High German at an early date (Wexler 1993). Our findings are also in agreement with genetic, archeological, historical, linguistic, and anthropological studies and reconcile contradicting genetic findings regarding European Jewish ancestry (Polak 1951; Patai and Patai 1975; Wexler 1993; Brook 2006; Kopelman et al. 2009; Sand 2009). Finally, our findings confirm both oral narratives and the canonical Jewish literature describing the Khazar’s conversion to Judaism and the JudeoKhazarian ancestry of European Jews (e.g., “Sefer ha-Ittim” by Rabbi Jehudah ben Barzillai [1100] , “Sefer ha-Kabbalah” by Abraham ben Daud [1161 CE], and “The Khazars” by Rabbi Jehudah Halevi [1140 CE]) (Polak 1951; Koestler 1976).
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1208/1208.1092.pdf
Palestinians The Invented People
The latest seems to knock down the "khazar" theory.
New genetic study More evidence for modern Ashkenazi Jews ancient Hebrew patrimony Scope Blog
Perhaps Art and the others into this khazar shtick should read this too.
Articles Who are the Jews
Myths and Facts A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict Mitchell G. Bard 9780971294516 Amazon.com Books
day at 4:46 AM#641
theliq
Platinum Member
- Banned
- #663
I think you mean't kept the Rich Crims in England so people like you can fawn over them and lick their ARSE's all your life,Ho,Ho what a WANKERI don't think you can comprehend the written word properly,if at all.......I know you are a bit thick......my report "Please concentrate and try Harder".......that is the trouble with you POMS,you think you are a bit special but you really have become the DregsMore Crap or in your case....CRAP MOREYES..Most Jews are ANTI SEMITIC.......I Have been telling the Jewish Lobby on here for sometime.....but they are bloody THICK
Not as thick as you who sees the islamomoron definition of Semitic as the real one. No doubt you also see the islamonazi version of UN res 242 as the real one even though the real one does not say that Israel has to relinquish all territories occupied yesterday.
Do you see the islamonazi version of UN res 242 as being the only real one ?
Or do you see the authors views as being correct and that the Jews dont have to give up all the land occupied
Us poms got rid of you criminals by sending you to Australia, hoping the salties would eat you all.
Really Hoss calling me an Anti-Semite,is wearing a bit thin...........but Keep the Bullshit spewing if it makes you feel better Mentally, I have broad shoulders Hoss,always remember my friend I can always carry you to safety.steveInaccurate Post..should be REMOVED...Come on Hossy,this is some of your worst prose my friend.......I have told you before STOP drinking that cheap Whiskey...steveI still wonder what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site Art first picked up about these "khazars." I don't believe any of us had ever heard about this khazar shtick before until it was dragged up from hate sites by anti-Semites, and consequently these "khazars" have been dragged up for years and years on these forums time and time again, as they were just now by Art.. Tell us, Art, since living in Germany you have to see many Muslim immigrants living around you now, such as the Turks. They came for jobs, didn't they? Do you think the earlier Arabs would have come to Israel from their poor countries if the Jews didn't have jobs for them?The Khazar myth has been disproven over and over. get with the program
The real history of the East-European Jews, who stem from Khazars, Slavs and other non-Semitic tribes, was generally accepted by all Jewish historians before the creation of Israel, and it has been re-proven over and over again.
There is new evidence from the field of linguistics, archaeology, demography and even genetics.
The invented history of European Jews is based on "miracles", but any educated person can understand that science is incompatible with miracles:
These numbers have raised some questions before: at least one historian called the increase in Jewish population a “demographic miracle.”28 Jits van Straten, a microbiologist by training and genealogist by avocation, recently reconsidered the demographic statistics for Jewish and non-Jewish populations in 19th-century Europe and the explanations given for the “miracle,” and finds them grossly inadequate: it would have required not a metaphorical but a literal miracle defying the laws of nature for the Ashkenazi Jewish population to increase that fast. 29
http://www.yale.edu/ccr/woodworth/woodworth_Yiddish_Jan2010.pdf
The Invention of the Jewish People Shlomo Sand Yael Lotan 9781844676231 Amazon.com Books
The Thirteenth Tribe The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage Arthur Koestler 9780445042421 Amazon.com Books
The Ashkenazic Jews A Slavo-Turkic People in Search of a Jewish Identity Paul Wexler 9780893572419 Amazon.com Books
A major difficulty with the Rhineland Hypothesis, in addition to the lack of historical and anthropological evidence to the multi-migration waves from Palestine to Europe (Straten 2003; Sand 2009), is to explain the vast population expansion of Eastern European Jews from 50 thousand (15th century) to 8 million (20th century). This growth could not possibly be the product of natural population expansion (Koestler 1976; Straten 2007), particularly one subjected to severe economic restrictions, slavery, assimilation, the Black Death and other plagues, forced and voluntary conversions, persecutions, kidnappings, rapes, exiles, wars, massacres, and pogroms (Koestler 1976; Sand 2009). Such an unnatural growth rate (1.7-2% annually) over half a millennia, affecting only Jews residing in Eastern Europe is commonly explained by a miracle (Atzmon et al. 2010). Unfortunately, this divine intervention explanation poses a new kind of problem - it is not science. Our findings reject the Rhineland Hypothesis and uphold the thesis that Eastern European Jews are Judeo-Khazars in origin.
...
Our results fit with evidence from a wide range of fields. Linguistic findings depict Eastern European Jews as descended from a minority of Israelite-Palestinian Jewish emigrates who intermarried with a larger heterogeneous population of converts to Judaism from the Caucasus, the Balkans, and the Germano-Sorb lands (Wexler 1993). Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language that was re-lexified to High German at an early date (Wexler 1993). Our findings are also in agreement with genetic, archeological, historical, linguistic, and anthropological studies and reconcile contradicting genetic findings regarding European Jewish ancestry (Polak 1951; Patai and Patai 1975; Wexler 1993; Brook 2006; Kopelman et al. 2009; Sand 2009). Finally, our findings confirm both oral narratives and the canonical Jewish literature describing the Khazar’s conversion to Judaism and the JudeoKhazarian ancestry of European Jews (e.g., “Sefer ha-Ittim” by Rabbi Jehudah ben Barzillai [1100] , “Sefer ha-Kabbalah” by Abraham ben Daud [1161 CE], and “The Khazars” by Rabbi Jehudah Halevi [1140 CE]) (Polak 1951; Koestler 1976).
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1208/1208.1092.pdf
Palestinians The Invented People
The latest seems to knock down the "khazar" theory.
New genetic study More evidence for modern Ashkenazi Jews ancient Hebrew patrimony Scope Blog
Perhaps Art and the others into this khazar shtick should read this too.
Articles Who are the JewsI guess you, as an anti-Semite, want the post removed because it tells the truth. That cheap whiskey that you drink every day has fogged up your brain. Now I wonder where Steve, Art and the other anti-Semites on this forum have gotten their info about the "Khazars." As is stated in the following article, ". Some two hundred websites claim to describe a cabal known as the "Khazarian Zionist Bolsheviks" (KZV). Neo-Nazi and Holocaust denial organizations and websites are particularly fond of the Khazar myth...Arab and Islamist propagandists have long bandied about the "Ashkenazim as Khazars" theory and Iran’s genocidal leaders adore it. Al-Jazeera has been using the Khazar story to urge a worldwide Christian religious war against the Khazar pseudo-Jewish imperialists.Inaccurate Post..should be REMOVED...Come on Hossy,this is some of your worst prose my friend.......I have told you before STOP drinking that cheap Whiskey...steveI still wonder what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site Art first picked up about these "khazars." I don't believe any of us had ever heard about this khazar shtick before until it was dragged up from hate sites by anti-Semites, and consequently these "khazars" have been dragged up for years and years on these forums time and time again, as they were just now by Art.. Tell us, Art, since living in Germany you have to see many Muslim immigrants living around you now, such as the Turks. They came for jobs, didn't they? Do you think the earlier Arabs would have come to Israel from their poor countries if the Jews didn't have jobs for them?The Khazar myth has been disproven over and over. get with the program
The real history of the East-European Jews, who stem from Khazars, Slavs and other non-Semitic tribes, was generally accepted by all Jewish historians before the creation of Israel, and it has been re-proven over and over again.
There is new evidence from the field of linguistics, archaeology, demography and even genetics.
The invented history of European Jews is based on "miracles", but any educated person can understand that science is incompatible with miracles:
These numbers have raised some questions before: at least one historian called the increase in Jewish population a “demographic miracle.”28 Jits van Straten, a microbiologist by training and genealogist by avocation, recently reconsidered the demographic statistics for Jewish and non-Jewish populations in 19th-century Europe and the explanations given for the “miracle,” and finds them grossly inadequate: it would have required not a metaphorical but a literal miracle defying the laws of nature for the Ashkenazi Jewish population to increase that fast. 29
http://www.yale.edu/ccr/woodworth/woodworth_Yiddish_Jan2010.pdf
The Invention of the Jewish People Shlomo Sand Yael Lotan 9781844676231 Amazon.com Books
The Thirteenth Tribe The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage Arthur Koestler 9780445042421 Amazon.com Books
The Ashkenazic Jews A Slavo-Turkic People in Search of a Jewish Identity Paul Wexler 9780893572419 Amazon.com Books
A major difficulty with the Rhineland Hypothesis, in addition to the lack of historical and anthropological evidence to the multi-migration waves from Palestine to Europe (Straten 2003; Sand 2009), is to explain the vast population expansion of Eastern European Jews from 50 thousand (15th century) to 8 million (20th century). This growth could not possibly be the product of natural population expansion (Koestler 1976; Straten 2007), particularly one subjected to severe economic restrictions, slavery, assimilation, the Black Death and other plagues, forced and voluntary conversions, persecutions, kidnappings, rapes, exiles, wars, massacres, and pogroms (Koestler 1976; Sand 2009). Such an unnatural growth rate (1.7-2% annually) over half a millennia, affecting only Jews residing in Eastern Europe is commonly explained by a miracle (Atzmon et al. 2010). Unfortunately, this divine intervention explanation poses a new kind of problem - it is not science. Our findings reject the Rhineland Hypothesis and uphold the thesis that Eastern European Jews are Judeo-Khazars in origin.
...
Our results fit with evidence from a wide range of fields. Linguistic findings depict Eastern European Jews as descended from a minority of Israelite-Palestinian Jewish emigrates who intermarried with a larger heterogeneous population of converts to Judaism from the Caucasus, the Balkans, and the Germano-Sorb lands (Wexler 1993). Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language that was re-lexified to High German at an early date (Wexler 1993). Our findings are also in agreement with genetic, archeological, historical, linguistic, and anthropological studies and reconcile contradicting genetic findings regarding European Jewish ancestry (Polak 1951; Patai and Patai 1975; Wexler 1993; Brook 2006; Kopelman et al. 2009; Sand 2009). Finally, our findings confirm both oral narratives and the canonical Jewish literature describing the Khazar’s conversion to Judaism and the JudeoKhazarian ancestry of European Jews (e.g., “Sefer ha-Ittim” by Rabbi Jehudah ben Barzillai [1100] , “Sefer ha-Kabbalah” by Abraham ben Daud [1161 CE], and “The Khazars” by Rabbi Jehudah Halevi [1140 CE]) (Polak 1951; Koestler 1976).
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1208/1208.1092.pdf
Palestinians The Invented People
The latest seems to knock down the "khazar" theory.
New genetic study More evidence for modern Ashkenazi Jews ancient Hebrew patrimony Scope Blog
Perhaps Art and the others into this khazar shtick should read this too.
Articles Who are the Jews
Myths and Facts A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict Mitchell G. Bard 9780971294516 Amazon.com Books
day at 4:46 AM#641
I am only calling you what you are, Steve. You and Penelope make a good pair. By the way, would you be willing to inform us what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site you used where you first learned the word "Khazar." Wiith 200 of them, I wouldn't even try to guess which one you used. Your friend, Hoss.
theliq
Platinum Member
- Banned
- #665
Considering I have NEVER USED THAT TERM Hoss,answering you would be a bit hard,even for an interlect like me...check back you will NEVER SEE IT............EVER........so what next.........that must be it Stevie is Anti-Semitic Prick,really Hoss get real.....I love you man,if I could get over there I would spend the time having a good feed,drinking shit Whiskey(if you desire) and have a good time.......just talking.......I reckon we are quite similar..seeya steve..trust the family are wellReally Hoss calling me an Anti-Semite,is wearing a bit thin...........but Keep the Bullshit spewing if it makes you feel better Mentally, I have broad shoulders Hoss,always remember my friend I can always carry you to safety.steveInaccurate Post..should be REMOVED...Come on Hossy,this is some of your worst prose my friend.......I have told you before STOP drinking that cheap Whiskey...steveI still wonder what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site Art first picked up about these "khazars." I don't believe any of us had ever heard about this khazar shtick before until it was dragged up from hate sites by anti-Semites, and consequently these "khazars" have been dragged up for years and years on these forums time and time again, as they were just now by Art.. Tell us, Art, since living in Germany you have to see many Muslim immigrants living around you now, such as the Turks. They came for jobs, didn't they? Do you think the earlier Arabs would have come to Israel from their poor countries if the Jews didn't have jobs for them?The real history of the East-European Jews, who stem from Khazars, Slavs and other non-Semitic tribes, was generally accepted by all Jewish historians before the creation of Israel, and it has been re-proven over and over again.
There is new evidence from the field of linguistics, archaeology, demography and even genetics.
The invented history of European Jews is based on "miracles", but any educated person can understand that science is incompatible with miracles:
The Invention of the Jewish People Shlomo Sand Yael Lotan 9781844676231 Amazon.com Books
The Thirteenth Tribe The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage Arthur Koestler 9780445042421 Amazon.com Books
The Ashkenazic Jews A Slavo-Turkic People in Search of a Jewish Identity Paul Wexler 9780893572419 Amazon.com Books
Palestinians The Invented People
The latest seems to knock down the "khazar" theory.
New genetic study More evidence for modern Ashkenazi Jews ancient Hebrew patrimony Scope Blog
Perhaps Art and the others into this khazar shtick should read this too.
Articles Who are the JewsI guess you, as an anti-Semite, want the post removed because it tells the truth. That cheap whiskey that you drink every day has fogged up your brain. Now I wonder where Steve, Art and the other anti-Semites on this forum have gotten their info about the "Khazars." As is stated in the following article, ". Some two hundred websites claim to describe a cabal known as the "Khazarian Zionist Bolsheviks" (KZV). Neo-Nazi and Holocaust denial organizations and websites are particularly fond of the Khazar myth...Arab and Islamist propagandists have long bandied about the "Ashkenazim as Khazars" theory and Iran’s genocidal leaders adore it. Al-Jazeera has been using the Khazar story to urge a worldwide Christian religious war against the Khazar pseudo-Jewish imperialists.Inaccurate Post..should be REMOVED...Come on Hossy,this is some of your worst prose my friend.......I have told you before STOP drinking that cheap Whiskey...steveI still wonder what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site Art first picked up about these "khazars." I don't believe any of us had ever heard about this khazar shtick before until it was dragged up from hate sites by anti-Semites, and consequently these "khazars" have been dragged up for years and years on these forums time and time again, as they were just now by Art.. Tell us, Art, since living in Germany you have to see many Muslim immigrants living around you now, such as the Turks. They came for jobs, didn't they? Do you think the earlier Arabs would have come to Israel from their poor countries if the Jews didn't have jobs for them?The real history of the East-European Jews, who stem from Khazars, Slavs and other non-Semitic tribes, was generally accepted by all Jewish historians before the creation of Israel, and it has been re-proven over and over again.
There is new evidence from the field of linguistics, archaeology, demography and even genetics.
The invented history of European Jews is based on "miracles", but any educated person can understand that science is incompatible with miracles:
The Invention of the Jewish People Shlomo Sand Yael Lotan 9781844676231 Amazon.com Books
The Thirteenth Tribe The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage Arthur Koestler 9780445042421 Amazon.com Books
The Ashkenazic Jews A Slavo-Turkic People in Search of a Jewish Identity Paul Wexler 9780893572419 Amazon.com Books
Palestinians The Invented People
The latest seems to knock down the "khazar" theory.
New genetic study More evidence for modern Ashkenazi Jews ancient Hebrew patrimony Scope Blog
Perhaps Art and the others into this khazar shtick should read this too.
Articles Who are the Jews
Myths and Facts A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict Mitchell G. Bard 9780971294516 Amazon.com Books
day at 4:46 AM#641
I am only calling you what you are, Steve. You and Penelope make a good pair. By the way, would you be willing to inform us what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site you used where you first learned the word "Khazar." Wiith 200 of them, I wouldn't even try to guess which one you used. Your friend, Hoss.
Why don't you tell me then why you felt that my post should be removed that told all about this Khazar myth? Did you think these two sites would hit too hard at the anti-Semites?Considering I have NEVER USED THAT TERM Hoss,answering you would be a bit hard,even for an interlect like me...check back you will NEVER SEE IT............EVER........so what next.........that must be it Stevie is Anti-Semitic Prick,really Hoss get real.....I love you man,if I could get over there I would spend the time having a good feed,drinking shit Whiskey(if you desire) and have a good time.......just talking.......I reckon we are quite similar..seeya steve..trust the family are wellReally Hoss calling me an Anti-Semite,is wearing a bit thin...........but Keep the Bullshit spewing if it makes you feel better Mentally, I have broad shoulders Hoss,always remember my friend I can always carry you to safety.steveInaccurate Post..should be REMOVED...Come on Hossy,this is some of your worst prose my friend.......I have told you before STOP drinking that cheap Whiskey...steveI still wonder what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site Art first picked up about these "khazars." I don't believe any of us had ever heard about this khazar shtick before until it was dragged up from hate sites by anti-Semites, and consequently these "khazars" have been dragged up for years and years on these forums time and time again, as they were just now by Art.. Tell us, Art, since living in Germany you have to see many Muslim immigrants living around you now, such as the Turks. They came for jobs, didn't they? Do you think the earlier Arabs would have come to Israel from their poor countries if the Jews didn't have jobs for them?
Palestinians The Invented People
The latest seems to knock down the "khazar" theory.
New genetic study More evidence for modern Ashkenazi Jews ancient Hebrew patrimony Scope Blog
Perhaps Art and the others into this khazar shtick should read this too.
Articles Who are the JewsI guess you, as an anti-Semite, want the post removed because it tells the truth. That cheap whiskey that you drink every day has fogged up your brain. Now I wonder where Steve, Art and the other anti-Semites on this forum have gotten their info about the "Khazars." As is stated in the following article, ". Some two hundred websites claim to describe a cabal known as the "Khazarian Zionist Bolsheviks" (KZV). Neo-Nazi and Holocaust denial organizations and websites are particularly fond of the Khazar myth...Arab and Islamist propagandists have long bandied about the "Ashkenazim as Khazars" theory and Iran’s genocidal leaders adore it. Al-Jazeera has been using the Khazar story to urge a worldwide Christian religious war against the Khazar pseudo-Jewish imperialists.Inaccurate Post..should be REMOVED...Come on Hossy,this is some of your worst prose my friend.......I have told you before STOP drinking that cheap Whiskey...steveI still wonder what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site Art first picked up about these "khazars." I don't believe any of us had ever heard about this khazar shtick before until it was dragged up from hate sites by anti-Semites, and consequently these "khazars" have been dragged up for years and years on these forums time and time again, as they were just now by Art.. Tell us, Art, since living in Germany you have to see many Muslim immigrants living around you now, such as the Turks. They came for jobs, didn't they? Do you think the earlier Arabs would have come to Israel from their poor countries if the Jews didn't have jobs for them?
Palestinians The Invented People
The latest seems to knock down the "khazar" theory.
New genetic study More evidence for modern Ashkenazi Jews ancient Hebrew patrimony Scope Blog
Perhaps Art and the others into this khazar shtick should read this too.
Articles Who are the Jews
Myths and Facts A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict Mitchell G. Bard 9780971294516 Amazon.com Books
day at 4:46 AM#641
I am only calling you what you are, Steve. You and Penelope make a good pair. By the way, would you be willing to inform us what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site you used where you first learned the word "Khazar." Wiith 200 of them, I wouldn't even try to guess which one you used. Your friend, Hoss.
New genetic study More evidence for modern Ashkenazi Jews ancient Hebrew patrimony Scope Blog
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Inaccurate Post..should be REMOVED...Come on Hossy,this is some of your worst prose my friend.......I have told you before STOP drinking that cheap Whiskey...steveI still wonder what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site Art first picked up about these "khazars." I don't believe any of us had ever heard about this khazar shtick before until it was dragged up from hate sites by anti-Semites, and consequently these "khazars" have been dragged up for years and years on these forums time and time again, as they were just now by Art.. Tell us, Art, since living in Germany you have to see many Muslim immigrants living around you now, such as the Turks. They came for jobs, didn't they? Do you think the earlier Arabs would have come to Israel from their poor countries if the Jews didn't have jobs for them?The Khazar myth has been disproven over and over. get with the program
The real history of the East-European Jews, who stem from Khazars, Slavs and other non-Semitic tribes, was generally accepted by all Jewish historians before the creation of Israel, and it has been re-proven over and over again.
There is new evidence from the field of linguistics, archaeology, demography and even genetics.
The invented history of European Jews is based on "miracles", but any educated person can understand that science is incompatible with miracles:
These numbers have raised some questions before: at least one historian called the increase in Jewish population a “demographic miracle.”28 Jits van Straten, a microbiologist by training and genealogist by avocation, recently reconsidered the demographic statistics for Jewish and non-Jewish populations in 19th-century Europe and the explanations given for the “miracle,” and finds them grossly inadequate: it would have required not a metaphorical but a literal miracle defying the laws of nature for the Ashkenazi Jewish population to increase that fast. 29
http://www.yale.edu/ccr/woodworth/woodworth_Yiddish_Jan2010.pdf
The Invention of the Jewish People Shlomo Sand Yael Lotan 9781844676231 Amazon.com Books
The Thirteenth Tribe The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage Arthur Koestler 9780445042421 Amazon.com Books
The Ashkenazic Jews A Slavo-Turkic People in Search of a Jewish Identity Paul Wexler 9780893572419 Amazon.com Books
A major difficulty with the Rhineland Hypothesis, in addition to the lack of historical and anthropological evidence to the multi-migration waves from Palestine to Europe (Straten 2003; Sand 2009), is to explain the vast population expansion of Eastern European Jews from 50 thousand (15th century) to 8 million (20th century). This growth could not possibly be the product of natural population expansion (Koestler 1976; Straten 2007), particularly one subjected to severe economic restrictions, slavery, assimilation, the Black Death and other plagues, forced and voluntary conversions, persecutions, kidnappings, rapes, exiles, wars, massacres, and pogroms (Koestler 1976; Sand 2009). Such an unnatural growth rate (1.7-2% annually) over half a millennia, affecting only Jews residing in Eastern Europe is commonly explained by a miracle (Atzmon et al. 2010). Unfortunately, this divine intervention explanation poses a new kind of problem - it is not science. Our findings reject the Rhineland Hypothesis and uphold the thesis that Eastern European Jews are Judeo-Khazars in origin.
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Our results fit with evidence from a wide range of fields. Linguistic findings depict Eastern European Jews as descended from a minority of Israelite-Palestinian Jewish emigrates who intermarried with a larger heterogeneous population of converts to Judaism from the Caucasus, the Balkans, and the Germano-Sorb lands (Wexler 1993). Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language that was re-lexified to High German at an early date (Wexler 1993). Our findings are also in agreement with genetic, archeological, historical, linguistic, and anthropological studies and reconcile contradicting genetic findings regarding European Jewish ancestry (Polak 1951; Patai and Patai 1975; Wexler 1993; Brook 2006; Kopelman et al. 2009; Sand 2009). Finally, our findings confirm both oral narratives and the canonical Jewish literature describing the Khazar’s conversion to Judaism and the JudeoKhazarian ancestry of European Jews (e.g., “Sefer ha-Ittim” by Rabbi Jehudah ben Barzillai [1100] , “Sefer ha-Kabbalah” by Abraham ben Daud [1161 CE], and “The Khazars” by Rabbi Jehudah Halevi [1140 CE]) (Polak 1951; Koestler 1976).
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1208/1208.1092.pdf
Palestinians The Invented People
The latest seems to knock down the "khazar" theory.
New genetic study More evidence for modern Ashkenazi Jews ancient Hebrew patrimony Scope Blog
Perhaps Art and the others into this khazar shtick should read this too.
Articles Who are the JewsI guess you, as an anti-Semite, want the post removed because it tells the truth. That cheap whiskey that you drink every day has fogged up your brain. Now I wonder where Steve, Art and the other anti-Semites on this forum have gotten their info about the "Khazars." As is stated in the following article, ". Some two hundred websites claim to describe a cabal known as the "Khazarian Zionist Bolsheviks" (KZV). Neo-Nazi and Holocaust denial organizations and websites are particularly fond of the Khazar myth...Arab and Islamist propagandists have long bandied about the "Ashkenazim as Khazars" theory and Iran’s genocidal leaders adore it. Al-Jazeera has been using the Khazar story to urge a worldwide Christian religious war against the Khazar pseudo-Jewish imperialists.Inaccurate Post..should be REMOVED...Come on Hossy,this is some of your worst prose my friend.......I have told you before STOP drinking that cheap Whiskey...steveI still wonder what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site Art first picked up about these "khazars." I don't believe any of us had ever heard about this khazar shtick before until it was dragged up from hate sites by anti-Semites, and consequently these "khazars" have been dragged up for years and years on these forums time and time again, as they were just now by Art.. Tell us, Art, since living in Germany you have to see many Muslim immigrants living around you now, such as the Turks. They came for jobs, didn't they? Do you think the earlier Arabs would have come to Israel from their poor countries if the Jews didn't have jobs for them?The Khazar myth has been disproven over and over. get with the program
The real history of the East-European Jews, who stem from Khazars, Slavs and other non-Semitic tribes, was generally accepted by all Jewish historians before the creation of Israel, and it has been re-proven over and over again.
There is new evidence from the field of linguistics, archaeology, demography and even genetics.
The invented history of European Jews is based on "miracles", but any educated person can understand that science is incompatible with miracles:
These numbers have raised some questions before: at least one historian called the increase in Jewish population a “demographic miracle.”28 Jits van Straten, a microbiologist by training and genealogist by avocation, recently reconsidered the demographic statistics for Jewish and non-Jewish populations in 19th-century Europe and the explanations given for the “miracle,” and finds them grossly inadequate: it would have required not a metaphorical but a literal miracle defying the laws of nature for the Ashkenazi Jewish population to increase that fast. 29
http://www.yale.edu/ccr/woodworth/woodworth_Yiddish_Jan2010.pdf
The Invention of the Jewish People Shlomo Sand Yael Lotan 9781844676231 Amazon.com Books
The Thirteenth Tribe The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage Arthur Koestler 9780445042421 Amazon.com Books
The Ashkenazic Jews A Slavo-Turkic People in Search of a Jewish Identity Paul Wexler 9780893572419 Amazon.com Books
A major difficulty with the Rhineland Hypothesis, in addition to the lack of historical and anthropological evidence to the multi-migration waves from Palestine to Europe (Straten 2003; Sand 2009), is to explain the vast population expansion of Eastern European Jews from 50 thousand (15th century) to 8 million (20th century). This growth could not possibly be the product of natural population expansion (Koestler 1976; Straten 2007), particularly one subjected to severe economic restrictions, slavery, assimilation, the Black Death and other plagues, forced and voluntary conversions, persecutions, kidnappings, rapes, exiles, wars, massacres, and pogroms (Koestler 1976; Sand 2009). Such an unnatural growth rate (1.7-2% annually) over half a millennia, affecting only Jews residing in Eastern Europe is commonly explained by a miracle (Atzmon et al. 2010). Unfortunately, this divine intervention explanation poses a new kind of problem - it is not science. Our findings reject the Rhineland Hypothesis and uphold the thesis that Eastern European Jews are Judeo-Khazars in origin.
...
Our results fit with evidence from a wide range of fields. Linguistic findings depict Eastern European Jews as descended from a minority of Israelite-Palestinian Jewish emigrates who intermarried with a larger heterogeneous population of converts to Judaism from the Caucasus, the Balkans, and the Germano-Sorb lands (Wexler 1993). Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language that was re-lexified to High German at an early date (Wexler 1993). Our findings are also in agreement with genetic, archeological, historical, linguistic, and anthropological studies and reconcile contradicting genetic findings regarding European Jewish ancestry (Polak 1951; Patai and Patai 1975; Wexler 1993; Brook 2006; Kopelman et al. 2009; Sand 2009). Finally, our findings confirm both oral narratives and the canonical Jewish literature describing the Khazar’s conversion to Judaism and the JudeoKhazarian ancestry of European Jews (e.g., “Sefer ha-Ittim” by Rabbi Jehudah ben Barzillai [1100] , “Sefer ha-Kabbalah” by Abraham ben Daud [1161 CE], and “The Khazars” by Rabbi Jehudah Halevi [1140 CE]) (Polak 1951; Koestler 1976).
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1208/1208.1092.pdf
Palestinians The Invented People
The latest seems to knock down the "khazar" theory.
New genetic study More evidence for modern Ashkenazi Jews ancient Hebrew patrimony Scope Blog
Perhaps Art and the others into this khazar shtick should read this too.
Articles Who are the Jews
Myths and Facts A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict Mitchell G. Bard 9780971294516 Amazon.com Books
day at 4:46 AM#641
Ashkenazim are Chazars, check the Jewish encly out. They are not from the Levant.
The Khazars were a fictional people invented by a Jewish author. The islamonazi propagandists ran with it and now every semi literate dhimmi uses them as proof of nothing
Penelope
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You are trying so hard here Penelope, just like a Nazi would, but you are getting to sound so desperate in trying to prove that certain Jews are really not Jews. Sieg Heil. Those World War II Nazis would have been proud of you. Do your research on the latest findings about the Jews. Then do your research to find that we all have part of our DNA showing that we come out of Africa. Isn't that something? Africa is certainly a far cry from your home.Why not do some research on the latest findings of the DNA studies, Penelope? I think many of us realize by now that you are an anti-Semite and can't find enough derogatory things to say about the Jews. Do you think that you can break down and tell us what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site you first learned about these "Khazars?" That was the only way you would have initially even heard the word "Khazar." It would be interesting to know how many of the anti-Semites here use the same hate site. Meanwhile, many Germans settled in the area of America Penelope claims she lives in, and I would be willing to bet that she has the same DNA as the Nazis who hated the Jews as she does.Now Penelope is going to tell us which hate site she first found out about the Khazars. From 200 to choose from, it must have been quite a job. Did you see the latest bit about the DNA studies which of course little NeoNazis like you would never accept because the Khazar shtick fits in more with your agenda. Penelope's DNA probably matches up with the Nazis. Goebbels or even Hitler a distant relative, Penelope?Ashkenazim are Chazars, check the Jewish encly out. They are not from the Levant.
You can read about them in the Jewish encyl. There are no DNA studies specific for Jews and Ashkenazim are from Europe not the Levant. There is no special Jewish blood or DNA. Judeans were said to be jews, not all Israelites by the way. Is-Ra-El would be the only reason for Jacob to mediate on changing his name.
The Nazis don't have DNA , Nazism is the German Socialist Workers Party. I have researched the DNA and there is no Jewish DNA, the most that can do is tell what part of the globe that person had more in common with, and the Ashkenazim have more in common with the eastern European area, not the Levant. Facts are facts. There are not many races, 4 or they say 5 at the most, and it goes by physical features of the head and face and skin color. Lets face it , even the Jewish Library says the diaspora begun in 500 bc and in 300 bc, the Jews from Babylon and Judea had intermarried , even the Priests. So unless that person practices Judaism, they are Judaic, but Jew is an old term used for those who lived in Judea. They turned into other people. Since so many were in the Kiev area, they must of been a different people with a different language.
Read it and wept did you, the people you put on a pedestal are not the people you thought.
Why not do some research on the latest findings of the DNA studies, Penelope? I think many of us realize by now that you are an anti-Semite and can't find enough derogatory things to say about the Jews. Do you think that you can break down and tell us what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site you first learned about these "Khazars?" That was the only way you would have initially even heard the word "Khazar." It would be interesting to know how many of the anti-Semites here use the same hate site. Meanwhile, many Germans settled in the area of America Penelope claims she lives in, and I would be willing to bet that she has the same DNA as the Nazis who hated the Jews as she does.Now Penelope is going to tell us which hate site she first found out about the Khazars. From 200 to choose from, it must have been quite a job. Did you see the latest bit about the DNA studies which of course little NeoNazis like you would never accept because the Khazar shtick fits in more with your agenda. Penelope's DNA probably matches up with the Nazis. Goebbels or even Hitler a distant relative, Penelope?I guess you, as an anti-Semite, want the post removed because it tells the truth. That cheap whiskey that you drink every day has fogged up your brain. Now I wonder where Steve, Art and the other anti-Semites on this forum have gotten their info about the "Khazars." As is stated in the following article, ". Some two hundred websites claim to describe a cabal known as the "Khazarian Zionist Bolsheviks" (KZV). Neo-Nazi and Holocaust denial organizations and websites are particularly fond of the Khazar myth...Arab and Islamist propagandists have long bandied about the "Ashkenazim as Khazars" theory and Iran’s genocidal leaders adore it. Al-Jazeera has been using the Khazar story to urge a worldwide Christian religious war against the Khazar pseudo-Jewish imperialists.
Myths and Facts A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict Mitchell G. Bard 9780971294516 Amazon.com Books
day at 4:46 AM#641
Ashkenazim are Chazars, check the Jewish encly out. They are not from the Levant.
You can read about them in the Jewish encyl. There are no DNA studies specific for Jews and Ashkenazim are from Europe not the Levant. There is no special Jewish blood or DNA. Judeans were said to be jews, not all Israelites by the way. Is-Ra-El would be the only reason for Jacob to mediate on changing his name.
The Nazis don't have DNA , Nazism is the German Socialist Workers Party. I have researched the DNA and there is no Jewish DNA, the most that can do is tell what part of the globe that person had more in common with, and the Ashkenazim have more in common with the eastern European area, not the Levant. Facts are facts. There are not many races, 4 or they say 5 at the most, and it goes by physical features of the head and face and skin color. Lets face it , even the Jewish Library says the diaspora begun in 500 bc and in 300 bc, the Jews from Babylon and Judea had intermarried , even the Priests. So unless that person practices Judaism, they are Judaic, but Jew is an old term used for those who lived in Judea. They turned into other people. Since so many were in the Kiev area, they must of been a different people with a different language.
Everyone has DNA, you would be dead without it.
What you have researched is the left wing white supremacist and isamonazi sites and discounted anything that shows a possible LINK between all the worlds Jews. The fats are that geneticists have found DNA strands that show which tribe a Jew is descended from going back 4,500 years. It does not matter when the Diaspora started it is the tracing on ancestry that matters. And as the arab muslims cant trace back more than 3 or 4 generations they are stuffed.
NOW STOP POSTING RACIST LIES
You are trying so hard here Penelope, just like a Nazi would, but you are getting to sound so desperate in trying to prove that certain Jews are really not Jews. Sieg Heil. Those World War II Nazis would have been proud of you. Do your research on the latest findings about the Jews. Then do your research to find that we all have part of our DNA showing that we come out of Africa. Isn't that something? Africa is certainly a far cry from your home.Why not do some research on the latest findings of the DNA studies, Penelope? I think many of us realize by now that you are an anti-Semite and can't find enough derogatory things to say about the Jews. Do you think that you can break down and tell us what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site you first learned about these "Khazars?" That was the only way you would have initially even heard the word "Khazar." It would be interesting to know how many of the anti-Semites here use the same hate site. Meanwhile, many Germans settled in the area of America Penelope claims she lives in, and I would be willing to bet that she has the same DNA as the Nazis who hated the Jews as she does.Now Penelope is going to tell us which hate site she first found out about the Khazars. From 200 to choose from, it must have been quite a job. Did you see the latest bit about the DNA studies which of course little NeoNazis like you would never accept because the Khazar shtick fits in more with your agenda. Penelope's DNA probably matches up with the Nazis. Goebbels or even Hitler a distant relative, Penelope?
You can read about them in the Jewish encyl. There are no DNA studies specific for Jews and Ashkenazim are from Europe not the Levant. There is no special Jewish blood or DNA. Judeans were said to be jews, not all Israelites by the way. Is-Ra-El would be the only reason for Jacob to mediate on changing his name.
The Nazis don't have DNA , Nazism is the German Socialist Workers Party. I have researched the DNA and there is no Jewish DNA, the most that can do is tell what part of the globe that person had more in common with, and the Ashkenazim have more in common with the eastern European area, not the Levant. Facts are facts. There are not many races, 4 or they say 5 at the most, and it goes by physical features of the head and face and skin color. Lets face it , even the Jewish Library says the diaspora begun in 500 bc and in 300 bc, the Jews from Babylon and Judea had intermarried , even the Priests. So unless that person practices Judaism, they are Judaic, but Jew is an old term used for those who lived in Judea. They turned into other people. Since so many were in the Kiev area, they must of been a different people with a different language.
Read it and wept did you, the people you put on a pedestal are not the people you thought.
YOU WISH, but the truth is the Jews show a link to the Israelis of 2500 BCE. A fact you cant swallow without gagging
Wrong again........from English Barbarism(deportees and criminals for stealing the hankies and rabbits of the Rich)we created a modern creative Society unlike the chronic mess you live in.....................I don't think you can comprehend the written word properly,if at all.......I know you are a bit thick......my report "Please concentrate and try Harder".......that is the trouble with you POMS,you think you are a bit special but you really have become the DregsMore Crap or in your case....CRAP MORENot as thick as you who sees the islamomoron definition of Semitic as the real one. No doubt you also see the islamonazi version of UN res 242 as the real one even though the real one does not say that Israel has to relinquish all territories occupied yesterday.
Do you see the islamonazi version of UN res 242 as being the only real one ?
Or do you see the authors views as being correct and that the Jews dont have to give up all the land occupied
Us poms got rid of you criminals by sending you to Australia, hoping the salties would eat you all.
Does that include raping little girls because they were not the same as you, hold on isn't that what your lo do anyway as one of the methods of terrorism
I think you mean't kept the Rich Crims in England so people like you can fawn over them and lick their ARSE's all your life,Ho,Ho what a WANKERI don't think you can comprehend the written word properly,if at all.......I know you are a bit thick......my report "Please concentrate and try Harder".......that is the trouble with you POMS,you think you are a bit special but you really have become the DregsMore Crap or in your case....CRAP MORENot as thick as you who sees the islamomoron definition of Semitic as the real one. No doubt you also see the islamonazi version of UN res 242 as the real one even though the real one does not say that Israel has to relinquish all territories occupied yesterday.
Do you see the islamonazi version of UN res 242 as being the only real one ?
Or do you see the authors views as being correct and that the Jews dont have to give up all the land occupied
Us poms got rid of you criminals by sending you to Australia, hoping the salties would eat you all.
An you reply just proves how illiterate and rattled you are.............keep it up and you could be visited by security
aris2chat
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Inaccurate Post..should be REMOVED...Come on Hossy,this is some of your worst prose my friend.......I have told you before STOP drinking that cheap Whiskey...steveI still wonder what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site Art first picked up about these "khazars." I don't believe any of us had ever heard about this khazar shtick before until it was dragged up from hate sites by anti-Semites, and consequently these "khazars" have been dragged up for years and years on these forums time and time again, as they were just now by Art.. Tell us, Art, since living in Germany you have to see many Muslim immigrants living around you now, such as the Turks. They came for jobs, didn't they? Do you think the earlier Arabs would have come to Israel from their poor countries if the Jews didn't have jobs for them?The real history of the East-European Jews, who stem from Khazars, Slavs and other non-Semitic tribes, was generally accepted by all Jewish historians before the creation of Israel, and it has been re-proven over and over again.
There is new evidence from the field of linguistics, archaeology, demography and even genetics.
The invented history of European Jews is based on "miracles", but any educated person can understand that science is incompatible with miracles:
The Invention of the Jewish People Shlomo Sand Yael Lotan 9781844676231 Amazon.com Books
The Thirteenth Tribe The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage Arthur Koestler 9780445042421 Amazon.com Books
The Ashkenazic Jews A Slavo-Turkic People in Search of a Jewish Identity Paul Wexler 9780893572419 Amazon.com Books
Palestinians The Invented People
The latest seems to knock down the "khazar" theory.
New genetic study More evidence for modern Ashkenazi Jews ancient Hebrew patrimony Scope Blog
Perhaps Art and the others into this khazar shtick should read this too.
Articles Who are the JewsI guess you, as an anti-Semite, want the post removed because it tells the truth. That cheap whiskey that you drink every day has fogged up your brain. Now I wonder where Steve, Art and the other anti-Semites on this forum have gotten their info about the "Khazars." As is stated in the following article, ". Some two hundred websites claim to describe a cabal known as the "Khazarian Zionist Bolsheviks" (KZV). Neo-Nazi and Holocaust denial organizations and websites are particularly fond of the Khazar myth...Arab and Islamist propagandists have long bandied about the "Ashkenazim as Khazars" theory and Iran’s genocidal leaders adore it. Al-Jazeera has been using the Khazar story to urge a worldwide Christian religious war against the Khazar pseudo-Jewish imperialists.Inaccurate Post..should be REMOVED...Come on Hossy,this is some of your worst prose my friend.......I have told you before STOP drinking that cheap Whiskey...steveI still wonder what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site Art first picked up about these "khazars." I don't believe any of us had ever heard about this khazar shtick before until it was dragged up from hate sites by anti-Semites, and consequently these "khazars" have been dragged up for years and years on these forums time and time again, as they were just now by Art.. Tell us, Art, since living in Germany you have to see many Muslim immigrants living around you now, such as the Turks. They came for jobs, didn't they? Do you think the earlier Arabs would have come to Israel from their poor countries if the Jews didn't have jobs for them?The real history of the East-European Jews, who stem from Khazars, Slavs and other non-Semitic tribes, was generally accepted by all Jewish historians before the creation of Israel, and it has been re-proven over and over again.
There is new evidence from the field of linguistics, archaeology, demography and even genetics.
The invented history of European Jews is based on "miracles", but any educated person can understand that science is incompatible with miracles:
The Invention of the Jewish People Shlomo Sand Yael Lotan 9781844676231 Amazon.com Books
The Thirteenth Tribe The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage Arthur Koestler 9780445042421 Amazon.com Books
The Ashkenazic Jews A Slavo-Turkic People in Search of a Jewish Identity Paul Wexler 9780893572419 Amazon.com Books
Palestinians The Invented People
The latest seems to knock down the "khazar" theory.
New genetic study More evidence for modern Ashkenazi Jews ancient Hebrew patrimony Scope Blog
Perhaps Art and the others into this khazar shtick should read this too.
Articles Who are the Jews
Myths and Facts A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict Mitchell G. Bard 9780971294516 Amazon.com Books
day at 4:46 AM#641
Ashkenazim are Chazars, check the Jewish encly out. They are not from the Levant.
The Khazars were a fictional people invented by a Jewish author. The islamonazi propagandists ran with it and now every semi literate dhimmi uses them as proof of nothing
Khazars did exist for a short period between 600-1000 CE in what today is muslim georgia
>>The Arab Georgian martyr St Abo, who converted to Christianity within the Khazar kingdom around 779-80, describes local Khazars as irreligious.[187]<<
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Teddy...you should never use the words GOD and david in the same sentence...........steve..........even the Jews at the time thought david a bad bastard,that's why they wouldn't allow him to consecrate the Temple in J'salem
Back away from the bong Steve. I do not see where I did use the words God and David in the same sentence; oh wait, now I remember, "David was a man after God's own heart". Why not?
Anyways, I read your link:
HOW ISLAM SAVED THE JEWS -David Wasserstein The Book of Doctrines and Opinions
And found it interesting, however I do not think it has any actual historical fact. It is an opinion piece. I have no doubts that the Jewish religion would die out. Regardless of Mohammed's (may he burn in the lowest and hottest hell) psychotic ramblings that some how have turned into islum. Mohammed (curse him and all his family) made his 'religion' up on the backs of Judaism and Christianity combined. Basically he was trying to steal their thunder, so there is no way that the Jewish religion was going away.
Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East share many genes inherited from the ancestral Jewish population that lived in the Middle East some 3,000 years ago, even though each community also carries genes from other sources — usually the country in which it lives.
You have quoted an old study, year 2010.
I have quoted newer studies, that debunk the old studies.
Jews are mosaic of many different people and even races, like any other religious group (Islam or Christianity).
And if you have two mosaics, you can always find some pieces that match and some pieces that are different.
That is precisely what Zionists tried to do. They just ignored the pieces that do not match and emphasized on the pieces that are similar.
But this is not a scientific approach!!!
Yes, there are a few ME genes that are common to some Jewish communities, but that does not prove that these genes were inherited from Hebrews, and that the bulk of their genome is similar.
ME is a huge area, and it is possible that these genes were inherited from pagans, who converted to Judaism in the Middle ages.
Diversity was present from Jewish beginnings, when various Semitic and Mediterranean peoples came together to form the Israelites of long ago. The genetic picture was clearly enriched during the Diaspora, when Jews spread far and wide across Europe, attracting converts and intermarrying over time with their European hosts. The most recent DNA evidence indicates that from this blending of Middle Eastern and European ancestors, the diverse DNA ancestry of the Ashkenazi Jews emerged.
Although the debate over the fate of the Khazars is far from over, DNA research suggests that remnants of these mysterious people continue to exist within the genetic makeup of Ashkenazi Jews. In fact, the Levite results indicate that the Khazars became fully integrated into the Ashkenazi communities and came to play an important role within the Jewish priesthood.
The Cohanim results do not disprove the genetic contribution of the Khazars. Rather, the DNA studies indicate that Jews are not entirely Khazarian, Israelite or European in genetic makeup, but a complex and unique mixture of all these peoples.
A Reassessment of the Jewish DNA Evidence
In any case, the predominant ancestry of Ashkenazi Jews who are not from the Cohan-Clan has nothing to do with the ME, and these ancestors that can be traced to the ME were not necessary Jews 2000 years ago. They may have been pagans that converted to Judaism in the Middle Ages.
A huge umber of people converted from Judaism to Christianity or Islam, and many pagans converted to Judaism before the Muslims and Christians restricted Jews from their missionary work.
Any Palestinian Christian or Muslim has more Israelite/Hebrew ancestry, than any Zionist from Europe who calls himself "Jew".
It seems that Zionists believe in "racial purity" of Jews even more than that was the case with the National Socialists, who admitted that there was a huge number of converts from and to Judaism.
The sources of error are above all to be found in the nature of Jewry and its historical development, the many thousands of years of restless wandering, the numerous conversions to and from Judaism, the efforts of the Jews to integrate, the interbreeding with the native populations, the efforts of the Jews to avoid registration and lastly in erroneous or falsely interpreted statistics of Jewry.
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The avowal of Mosaic or Jewish faith is also no foolproof evidence, because as a result of the former Jewish missionary movement with its conversion of masses of heathens and Christians, also because of changes of faith in modern times via mixed marriages and conversions, there are more than a few people of Jewish faith who are not racially Jewish.
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According to Maurice Fishberg and Mathias Mieses, three times the present Jewish population have been absorbed by Aryan Europe. Even Hans Gunther estimates the Jewish population of Germany at double the number of Jews of mosaic faith with German nationality. Finally, the Lithuanian Jew Brutzkus goes so far as to classify the Berlin Jews on the basis of their blood composition as being purer Europeans than the Germans in Berlin.
The Korherr Report www.HolocaustResearchProject.org
As we see, even the National Socialists had to admit that many Jews (especially the Jews from Berlin) were of pure European descent.
That is the conclusion of two new genetic surveys....
These are old and debunked surveys, they only emphasized on the direct male lineage and fully ignored the female lineage or the autosomal DNA (speak the total number of ancestors).
Here is a new study (11 July 2013)
The origins of Ashkenazi Jews—the great majority of living Jews—remain highly contested and enigmatic to this day1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. The Ashkenazim are Jews with a recent ancestry in central and Eastern Europe, in contrast to Sephardim (with an ancestry in Iberia, followed by exile after 1492), Mizrahim (who have always resided in the Near East) and North African Jews (comprising both Sephardim and Mizrahim). There is consensus that all Jewish Diaspora groups, including the Ashkenazim, trace their ancestry, at least in part, to the Levant, ~2,000–3,000 years ago5, 12, 13, 14.
A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages Nature Communications Nature Publishing Group
So yes, some Jews (especially the Cohen-Clans, about 3% of all male Jews), can trace their direct male to the Levant.
But does this prove that these male ancestors, who lived 2000-3000 years ago in the Levant, were really Hebrews?
No, of course not!!!
It is proven that the Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews had different female ancestors, because the oriental males married local women in Europe or North Africa
The conversion to Judaism does not change your genes, it is possible that the male ancestors, too, who can trace their ancestry to the orient, were pagans who converted to Judaism only in the Middle Ages.
In any case, Ashkenazi are more related to Slavs and Khazars, than to Oriental Jews.
They are not Semites!!!!
On the other hand, Palestinian Muslims and Christians are more related to Oriental Jews, than these oriental Jews are related to Ashkenazi Jews.
You do not have to do a genetic study to see that, Ashkenazi Jews look totally different, they are not Semites, they are predominantly of non-Semitic origin.
So the "anti-Semitism"- argument is idiotic, the Ashkenazi Jews hate Semites, even those Semites, that are Oriental Jews.
Most Ashkenazi Jews think that they are superior, because other Jews (especially the Ethiopian Jews) have a darker skin and a lower IQ.
The IQ study of Jews in Israel proves that the IQ of oriental Semitic Jews is lower than the IQ of white European Jews (but similar to the IQ of other non-Jewish Semites), and the most plausible explanation is that European Jews heavily intermixed with Europeans and this way increased their IQ.
So the IQ-tests is another prove that Ashkenazi Jews are not Semites, their IQ is higher than the IQ of real Semites, be they Muslims, Jews or Christians.
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There is no absolute proof of the Khazars ever having existed outside of the realms of fiction.
That is what you believe in, and any religious believer is sure that there is no prove that Dinosaurs existed.
Sorry, but I do not have any time to discuss on this level.
Just as there is no proof that the Protocols where written by Jews
The protocols were written by an unknown author who seems to be a prophet.
The anonymous author of this dystopian literature had chosen to write his piece of literature (fiction) as a protocol.
But how many dystopian novels are written as diaries or accounts of fictional persons?
Does that mean that a novel that is written in the genre of a fictional diary is a fake?
Only fools can assume that the chosen by the author literary genre of fictional protocols means that this piece of dystopian literature does not have any value and is a "fake".
Did the author of this fiction really claim that there were really some protocols?
No, because we only have this piece of literature, but the author is unknown.
The predictive power of Orwell's dystopian novels (like "1984") or the the anonymous "Protocols" (that is also dystopian literature, though the author is unknown), makes these fiction works so important.
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I have researched the DNA and there is no Jewish DNA
Yes, it is obvious that the conversion to any religion, even to Judaism, does not change the genes.
So what are the results of the old and debunked genetic studies, sponsored by Zionists?
They came to the conclusion, that some Ashkenazi males had direct male ancestors that can be traced to the ME.
But what is ME?
It is a huge area, 100 bigger, that Palestine.
Many pagans converted to Judaism only in the Middle Ages, Khazars were only one of pagan tribes that converted to Judaism. Many Slavs converted to Judaism, too.
In North Africa and Yemen there were many other ME pagans, that converted to Judaism in the 5th century AD or later.
At his insistence, the two Jewish savants accompanied the Ḥimyarite king back to his capital, where he demanded that all his people convert to Judaism. Initially, there was great resistance, but after an ordeal had justified the king's demand and confirmed the truth of the Jewish faith, many Himyarites embraced Judaism. Such conversions, by ordeal, were not uncommon in Arabia. Some historians argue that the conversions occurred, not due to political motivations, but because Judaism, by its philosophical, simplistic and austere nature, was attractive to the nature of the Semitic people.[9]
Himyarite Kingdom - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
And if you look up my quote above, you will find out that even National-Socialists did not believe that everybody who called himself a "Jew" was of Hebrew ancestry.
It seems that some Zionists believe in the racial purity of Jews even more, than that was the case with National Socialists.
Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East share many genes inherited from the ancestral Jewish population that lived in the Middle East some 3,000 years ago, even though each community also carries genes from other sources — usually the country in which it lives.
You have quoted an old study, year 2010.
I have quoted newer studies, that debunk the old studies.
Jews are mosaic of many different people and even races, like any other religious group (Islam or Christianity).
And if you have two mosaics, you can always find some pieces that match and some pieces that are different.
That is precisely what Zionists tried to do. They just ignored the pieces that do not match and emphasized on the pieces that are similar.
But this is not a scientific approach!!!
Yes, there are a few ME genes that are common to some Jewish communities, but that does not prove that these genes were inherited from Hebrews, and that the bulk of their genome is similar.
ME is a huge area, and it is possible that these genes were inherited from pagans, who converted to Judaism in the Middle ages.
Diversity was present from Jewish beginnings, when various Semitic and Mediterranean peoples came together to form the Israelites of long ago. The genetic picture was clearly enriched during the Diaspora, when Jews spread far and wide across Europe, attracting converts and intermarrying over time with their European hosts. The most recent DNA evidence indicates that from this blending of Middle Eastern and European ancestors, the diverse DNA ancestry of the Ashkenazi Jews emerged.
Although the debate over the fate of the Khazars is far from over, DNA research suggests that remnants of these mysterious people continue to exist within the genetic makeup of Ashkenazi Jews. In fact, the Levite results indicate that the Khazars became fully integrated into the Ashkenazi communities and came to play an important role within the Jewish priesthood.
The Cohanim results do not disprove the genetic contribution of the Khazars. Rather, the DNA studies indicate that Jews are not entirely Khazarian, Israelite or European in genetic makeup, but a complex and unique mixture of all these peoples.
A Reassessment of the Jewish DNA Evidence
In any case, the predominant ancestry of Ashkenazi Jews who are not from the Cohan-Clan has nothing to do with the ME, and these ancestors that can be traced to the ME were not necessary Jews 2000 years ago. They may have been pagans that converted to Judaism in the Middle Ages.
A huge umber of people converted from Judaism to Christianity or Islam, and many pagans converted to Judaism before the Muslims and Christians restricted Jews from their missionary work.
Any Palestinian Christian or Muslim has more Israelite/Hebrew ancestry, than any Zionist from Europe who calls himself "Jew".
It seems that Zionists believe in "racial purity" of Jews even more than that was the case with the National Socialists, who admitted that there was a huge number of converts from and to Judaism.
The sources of error are above all to be found in the nature of Jewry and its historical development, the many thousands of years of restless wandering, the numerous conversions to and from Judaism, the efforts of the Jews to integrate, the interbreeding with the native populations, the efforts of the Jews to avoid registration and lastly in erroneous or falsely interpreted statistics of Jewry.
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The avowal of Mosaic or Jewish faith is also no foolproof evidence, because as a result of the former Jewish missionary movement with its conversion of masses of heathens and Christians, also because of changes of faith in modern times via mixed marriages and conversions, there are more than a few people of Jewish faith who are not racially Jewish.
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According to Maurice Fishberg and Mathias Mieses, three times the present Jewish population have been absorbed by Aryan Europe. Even Hans Gunther estimates the Jewish population of Germany at double the number of Jews of mosaic faith with German nationality. Finally, the Lithuanian Jew Brutzkus goes so far as to classify the Berlin Jews on the basis of their blood composition as being purer Europeans than the Germans in Berlin.
The Korherr Report www.HolocaustResearchProject.org
As we see, even the National Socialists had to admit that many Jews (especially the Jews from Berlin) were of pure European descent.
That is the conclusion of two new genetic surveys....
These are old and debunked surveys, they only emphasized on the direct male lineage and fully ignored the female lineage or the autosomal DNA (speak the total number of ancestors).
Here is a new study (11 July 2013)
The origins of Ashkenazi Jews—the great majority of living Jews—remain highly contested and enigmatic to this day1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. The Ashkenazim are Jews with a recent ancestry in central and Eastern Europe, in contrast to Sephardim (with an ancestry in Iberia, followed by exile after 1492), Mizrahim (who have always resided in the Near East) and North African Jews (comprising both Sephardim and Mizrahim). There is consensus that all Jewish Diaspora groups, including the Ashkenazim, trace their ancestry, at least in part, to the Levant, ~2,000–3,000 years ago5, 12, 13, 14.
A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages Nature Communications Nature Publishing Group
So yes, some Jews (especially the Cohen-Clans, about 3% of all male Jews), can trace their direct male to the Levant.
But does this prove that these male ancestors, who lived 2000-3000 years ago in the Levant, were really Hebrews?
No, of course not!!!
It is proven that the Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews had different female ancestors, because the oriental males married local women in Europe or North Africa
The conversion to Judaism does not change your genes, it is possible that the male ancestors, too, who can trace their ancestry to the orient, were pagans who converted to Judaism only in the Middle Ages.
In any case, Ashkenazi are more related to Slavs and Khazars, than to Oriental Jews.
They are not Semites!!!!
On the other hand, Palestinian Muslims and Christians are more related to Oriental Jews, than these oriental Jews are related to Ashkenazi Jews.
You do not have to do a genetic study to see that, Ashkenazi Jews look totally different, they are not Semites, they are predominantly of non-Semitic origin.
So the "anti-Semitism"- argument is idiotic, the Ashkenazi Jews hate Semites, even those Semites, that are Oriental Jews.
Most Ashkenazi Jews think that they are superior, because other Jews (especially the Ethiopian Jews) have a darker skin and a lower IQ.
The IQ study of Jews in Israel proves that the IQ of oriental Semitic Jews is lower than the IQ of white European Jews (but similar to the IQ of other non-Jewish Semites), and the most plausible explanation is that European Jews heavily intermixed with Europeans and this way increased their IQ.
So the IQ-tests is another prove that Ashkenazi Jews are not Semites, their IQ is higher than the IQ of real Semites, be they Muslims, Jews or Christians.
You are trying to debate something that is not up for debate. The main problem with your Khazar argument and other similar ones all have one thing in common; they claim that there was a mass conversion. The key word being 'claim'. Without the mass conversion lie, your/their argument falls apart.
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You are trying so hard here Penelope, just like a Nazi would, but you are getting to sound so desperate in trying to prove that certain Jews are really not Jews. Sieg Heil. Those World War II Nazis would have been proud of you. Do your research on the latest findings about the Jews. Then do your research to find that we all have part of our DNA showing that we come out of Africa. Isn't that something? Africa is certainly a far cry from your home.Why not do some research on the latest findings of the DNA studies, Penelope? I think many of us realize by now that you are an anti-Semite and can't find enough derogatory things to say about the Jews. Do you think that you can break down and tell us what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site you first learned about these "Khazars?" That was the only way you would have initially even heard the word "Khazar." It would be interesting to know how many of the anti-Semites here use the same hate site. Meanwhile, many Germans settled in the area of America Penelope claims she lives in, and I would be willing to bet that she has the same DNA as the Nazis who hated the Jews as she does.Now Penelope is going to tell us which hate site she first found out about the Khazars. From 200 to choose from, it must have been quite a job. Did you see the latest bit about the DNA studies which of course little NeoNazis like you would never accept because the Khazar shtick fits in more with your agenda. Penelope's DNA probably matches up with the Nazis. Goebbels or even Hitler a distant relative, Penelope?Ashkenazim are Chazars, check the Jewish encly out. They are not from the Levant.
You can read about them in the Jewish encyl. There are no DNA studies specific for Jews and Ashkenazim are from Europe not the Levant. There is no special Jewish blood or DNA. Judeans were said to be jews, not all Israelites by the way. Is-Ra-El would be the only reason for Jacob to mediate on changing his name.
The Nazis don't have DNA , Nazism is the German Socialist Workers Party. I have researched the DNA and there is no Jewish DNA, the most that can do is tell what part of the globe that person had more in common with, and the Ashkenazim have more in common with the eastern European area, not the Levant. Facts are facts. There are not many races, 4 or they say 5 at the most, and it goes by physical features of the head and face and skin color. Lets face it , even the Jewish Library says the diaspora begun in 500 bc and in 300 bc, the Jews from Babylon and Judea had intermarried , even the Priests. So unless that person practices Judaism, they are Judaic, but Jew is an old term used for those who lived in Judea. They turned into other people. Since so many were in the Kiev area, they must of been a different people with a different language.
Oh we are all mixed breeds, I have no illusions, even Obama said he was a mutt , but not Jews, they are special and deserve to be worshipped and the "chosen ones" bow down now, and ask a Jew for forgiveness, and then worship there , your doing just fine.
When you go to the Jewish Ency they spell it Chazars, why do you think there were do many Jews in Ukraine and Russia.
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they claim that there was a mass conversion.
Well, this mass conversion was never disputed by the main Jewish historians before the creation of Israel.
This mass conversion is supported by demographic evidence. Without this mass conversion you cannot explain how in such a short time a tiny community of Jews that came (according to legends) to Poland from the Rhine area could evolve into many millions. The believers in this silly "Out-of-Rhine Theory" call this unexplainable population explosion a "miracle".
Well, science does not believe in miracles.
The Yiddish language does not have any vocabulary from the Rhine region, but has a lot of words from the Austrian varieties of German dialects. The grammar of Yiddish is similar to Slavic languages. That is another prove that Yiddish was originally a Slavic language in which Slavic words were replaced with German words from the eastern borders of the ancient German empire. That is the linguistic evidence.
The genetic evidence was established by Eran Elhaik, a jewish scientist.
And there is archaeological evidence, too.
The burial practice of Khazars changed in the 10th century, they did not look like pagan burials any more, they looked like Jewish burials.
You cannot find this in the English wiki, but the information is available in the Russian and even German Wiki:
Die Begräbniskultur spricht dafür, dass die jüdische Religion um 950 in allen Klassen der chasarischen Gesellschaft verbreitet war.
Chasaren Wikipedia
Translation:
The burial culture proves that Judaism was wide spread in all social groups of the Khazar society in the 950 AD.
The Russian archaeologist Pletneva argues that the disappearance of the Tengry-Han-Amulets in the Khazar burials of the 9th-10th centuries is a prove of the spread of Judaism in Khazaria:
Как замечает С. А. Плетнева, в ходе археологических исследований было засвидетельствовано исчезновение солярных амулетов, посвящённых Тенгри-хану, и, согласно её предположениям, это произошло из-за усиления иудаизма, который вытеснил из каганата «централизованный феодальный культ бога неба»
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Распространение_иудаизма_в_Хазарии_по_данным_археологии
The Soviet scientist Artamonov also agreed that Judaism was the dominant religion of Khazaria.
Artamonov mentions the compulsive conversion of some pagan tribes from North Caucasus.
After Stalin told him to shut up, he had to change his mind.
It is obvious that the rulers want to convert everybody into their own religion.
The same phenomenon was documented in Yemen, where Arab kings converted to Judaism and then forced all their subjects to convert to Judaism, too.
So Khazaria is not the only example, the conversion of Arab pagans in Yemen to Judaism happened a bit earlier.
Many Arab pagans, who converted to Judaism in Yemen, moved to Middle Asia (today Uzbekistan) and then to Khazaria, that is also well documented.
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