In Defense of Islam

[MACAULAY]

Islam Guide: What Are the Five Pillars of Islam?

Whatever you have been reading, skip it. And remember that it saved for us, from the Catholic Church, a good deal of what still matters, They had fountains and streetlights in the deserts when Europe lived in mud huts.

Islamic Golden Age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, skip the truth he found? Typical for you.

He hasn't found truth, he's found hate. If I only discussed the Christians forcing Jews to either convert or die, or using torture on women and girls to induce confessions of witchcraft, I'd be as his level. You two don't want to understand Islam, you just want to hate it (and thereby all Muslims).

When did Christians force Jews to convert or die or torture females into confessions of witchcraft?

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Salem, Massachusetts...and Boston. In Boston, they hung people, women included, for not being good Puritans. Google Mary Dyer, who was hung in Boston Commons for being a Quaker instead of a Puritan.

Puritans have always loved Control, like the Muslims do. The present day New Englanders (Loon & Pinheads) are descended from the Puritans....they no longer know the Lord, but they still love Control...like the Muslims do.

That is why Thomas Jefferson blessed this country so greatly with his Act Of Religious Freedom, later put in the Constitution to erect a Wall of Separation between Church and State. No sect will ever have the power of the state to oppress other religious sects....unless and until the Muslims get control....which is possible only if Democrats keep letting them in as part of their campaign to whore-for-votes outside the USA.

Muslims know of no such concept of separation of Church and State and they appear to be centuries away frlom having their Thomas Jefferson....and until they do....Never Let Another Muslim into This Country.

Now, today, because of Jefferson---Catholics, Protestants, and Jews....and by the way , Hindus and Buddhists....live in this Great Country in Harmony....not so the Muslims. Fuck them.

So nothing in the past 200 years or so?

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No, actually not in 300 years, and our culture...the American culture..the greatest in history...in spite of the blight put on it by the New Englander Pinheads is at least 500 years ahead of Muslims...likely much more.

 

[TeaBagger]

I've read that stuff and it is all BS. The Five Pillars is not in the Koran or Haddith. The Five Pillars are hype. Islam had no golden age.

Since you are lying to yourself then, no one can help you so, I won't bother.

You posted a Wikipedia article which was written by propagandists. Muslims had no role in mathematics or optics. They try to take credit for pre Islamic Persian inventions. Why that pedophile Mohammad forced Islam onto people the Middle East entered a dark age from which they will never emerge unless Islam is abolished.

No one can help you, as you living by lies, and happy to do so it appears.

Mohammad was a pedophile. He had about 20 wives and many slave girls. One of his wives was Aisha. He married her when she was six and he began raping her when she was 9. Muslims consider Mohammad to be the perfect man. Your video was total and complete BS.

The Biggest Holocaust in World History - Hinduwebsite.com Muslims killed 80 MILLION Hindus.

'In 1971, Muslims murdered 2.4 million Hindus and raped ...

Sahih al-Bukhari isn't the Quran.

It's a part of SUNNI ISLAM, not of Islam.

Aisha was six or seven when she married Mohammed, but 9 when the marriage was consummated according to one, and 10 when married and 12 when it was consummated to another. So you're a little off with what is there. No one believes that Mohammed had sex with a six year old.

The text from 2-298 was about menstruation

"During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me."

So she'd certainly have been considered a woman in this age, as she was able to have children.

The second one is an account written by a guy born 194 years after Mohammed. He went around collecting oral tradition. So, this is hardly fact. It may well be true, but not fact.

65:4 is "
And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease."

Doesn't appear to say rape is okay here.

68:4 reads:

"
And indeed, you are of a great moral character."

33:21

"
There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often."

People follow the guy, they're going to think good things about him. Whether it says he is the ideal man, I'd disagree.

Most Islam is Sunni. The majority of Muslims are Sunnis - estimates suggest the figure is somewhere between 85% and 90%.

According to the Qur’an and quotes from the Hadith, paradise contains six important items: water, wine, fruits, wealth, beautiful virgins, and young boys.

Most of us are aware of such Qur’anic verses which mention virgins in paradise:

“We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand” (Qur’an 56:7-40)

“In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair… Dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before” (Qur’an 55:70-77)

“Virgins as fair as corals and rubies” (Qur’an 55:57-58)

However many individuals unfamiliar with the Qur’an aren’t aware that heaven also promises young boys for them as well:

“Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded” (Qur’an 52:24)

“Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness” (Qur’an 56:17)

“And there shall wait on them [the Muslim men] young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls” (Qur’an 52.24)

“They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who will seem like scattered pearls to the beholders” (Qur’an 76.19)

The verses don’t particularly state whether the youth are there merely to act as servants or if they are there to also satisfy their sexual lusts. To be fair, the virgin passages do not menion explicitly what their owners are allowed to do with them either.

Muhammad was a pedophile. If any Muslim finds that statement offensive then what are we to make of the fact that he married a 6 year old girl—Aisha—and had sexual intercourse with her at the age of 9 (Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64)? We must take a look at context to extrapolate any significance from the quotes above.

We, of course, know from other “holy” texts, such as the Bible from where much of the Qur’an is based from, that they repeatedly contradict themselves. This is why you often find verses condemning homosexuality as in these passages here:

“If two men among you is guilty of lewdness, punish them both” (Qur’an 4:16)

“Do you practice your lusts on men instead of women? Nay, but you are a people who behave senselessly” (Qur’an 27:55)

It is, however, well established that many famous Muslims were practicing homosexuals who looked towards the Koran to justify their actions. For example, Babur, the mughal king was madly in love with a young boy named Baburi (from the Babur link provided type ‘Ctrl + F’ and type ‘Baburi’). Renowned Arabic poet Abu Nuwas, famous for his poems on “mudhakkarat” or “boy love” writes in the Perfumed Garden:

O the joy of sodomy! So now be sodomites, you Arabs.
Turn not away from it—therein is wondrous pleasure.
Take some coy lad with kiss-curls twisting on his temple
and ride as he stands like some gazelle standing to her mate.

-A lad whom all can see girt with sword and belt
not like your whore who has to go veiled.

Make for smooth-faced boys and do your very best
to mount them, for women are the mounts of the devils.

Nevertheless, Muhammad would always warn his followers to “beware of beardless youth” who “have eyes more tempting than the houris (i.e. female virgins).” So it seems that the prophet prohibits pedophilia (or perhaps pederasty) here on Earth, but mentions that they can enjoy them in heaven. From the looks of it, some of them just couldn’t contain themselves. It seems rather odd to forbid something in such a way if you think about it. He doesn’t just forbid it, he provides a word of caution about their power of attraction. This seems to almost warn about a guilty pleasure of some sort.

All that said, while the Qur’an seems to not only contradict itself, as well as provide questionable morality (to put it mildly), we can rest peacefully knowing that these verses—and the entire text for that matter—represent nothing but fiction. A poorly plagiarized one at that.

 

[frigidweirdo]

No one can help you, as you living by lies, and happy to do so it appears.

Mohammad was a pedophile. He had about 20 wives and many slave girls. One of his wives was Aisha. He married her when she was six and he began raping her when she was 9. Muslims consider Mohammad to be the perfect man. Your video was total and complete BS.

The Biggest Holocaust in World History - Hinduwebsite.com Muslims killed 80 MILLION Hindus.

'In 1971, Muslims murdered 2.4 million Hindus and raped ...

Sahih al-Bukhari isn't the Quran.

It's a part of SUNNI ISLAM, not of Islam.

Aisha was six or seven when she married Mohammed, but 9 when the marriage was consummated according to one, and 10 when married and 12 when it was consummated to another. So you're a little off with what is there. No one believes that Mohammed had sex with a six year old.

The text from 2-298 was about menstruation

"During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me."

So she'd certainly have been considered a woman in this age, as she was able to have children.

The second one is an account written by a guy born 194 years after Mohammed. He went around collecting oral tradition. So, this is hardly fact. It may well be true, but not fact.

65:4 is "
And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease."

Doesn't appear to say rape is okay here.

68:4 reads:

"
And indeed, you are of a great moral character."

33:21

"
There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often."

People follow the guy, they're going to think good things about him. Whether it says he is the ideal man, I'd disagree.

Apologist

Wow, you use your brain and all that comes back is someone trying to insult. Is that it? An insult is your argument? Jeez, which high school do you go to exactly?

Hit home??

You're ordering me to hit my home? Hmm... don't get it.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Since you are lying to yourself then, no one can help you so, I won't bother.

You posted a Wikipedia article which was written by propagandists. Muslims had no role in mathematics or optics. They try to take credit for pre Islamic Persian inventions. Why that pedophile Mohammad forced Islam onto people the Middle East entered a dark age from which they will never emerge unless Islam is abolished.

No one can help you, as you living by lies, and happy to do so it appears.

Mohammad was a pedophile. He had about 20 wives and many slave girls. One of his wives was Aisha. He married her when she was six and he began raping her when she was 9. Muslims consider Mohammad to be the perfect man. Your video was total and complete BS.

The Biggest Holocaust in World History - Hinduwebsite.com Muslims killed 80 MILLION Hindus.

'In 1971, Muslims murdered 2.4 million Hindus and raped ...

Sahih al-Bukhari isn't the Quran.

It's a part of SUNNI ISLAM, not of Islam.

Aisha was six or seven when she married Mohammed, but 9 when the marriage was consummated according to one, and 10 when married and 12 when it was consummated to another. So you're a little off with what is there. No one believes that Mohammed had sex with a six year old.

The text from 2-298 was about menstruation

"During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me."

So she'd certainly have been considered a woman in this age, as she was able to have children.

The second one is an account written by a guy born 194 years after Mohammed. He went around collecting oral tradition. So, this is hardly fact. It may well be true, but not fact.

65:4 is "
And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease."

Doesn't appear to say rape is okay here.

68:4 reads:

"
And indeed, you are of a great moral character."

33:21

"
There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often."

People follow the guy, they're going to think good things about him. Whether it says he is the ideal man, I'd disagree.

Most Islam is Sunni. The majority of Muslims are Sunnis - estimates suggest the figure is somewhere between 85% and 90%.

According to the Qur’an and quotes from the Hadith, paradise contains six important items: water, wine, fruits, wealth, beautiful virgins, and young boys.

Most of us are aware of such Qur’anic verses which mention virgins in paradise:

“We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand” (Qur’an 56:7-40)

“In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair… Dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before” (Qur’an 55:70-77)

“Virgins as fair as corals and rubies” (Qur’an 55:57-58)

However many individuals unfamiliar with the Qur’an aren’t aware that heaven also promises young boys for them as well:

“Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded” (Qur’an 52:24)

“Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness” (Qur’an 56:17)

“And there shall wait on them [the Muslim men] young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls” (Qur’an 52.24)

“They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who will seem like scattered pearls to the beholders” (Qur’an 76.19)

The verses don’t particularly state whether the youth are there merely to act as servants or if they are there to also satisfy their sexual lusts. To be fair, the virgin passages do not menion explicitly what their owners are allowed to do with them either.

Muhammad was a pedophile. If any Muslim finds that statement offensive then what are we to make of the fact that he married a 6 year old girl—Aisha—and had sexual intercourse with her at the age of 9 (Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64)? We must take a look at context to extrapolate any significance from the quotes above.

We, of course, know from other “holy” texts, such as the Bible from where much of the Qur’an is based from, that they repeatedly contradict themselves. This is why you often find verses condemning homosexuality as in these passages here:

“If two men among you is guilty of lewdness, punish them both” (Qur’an 4:16)

“Do you practice your lusts on men instead of women? Nay, but you are a people who behave senselessly” (Qur’an 27:55)

It is, however, well established that many famous Muslims were practicing homosexuals who looked towards the Koran to justify their actions. For example, Babur, the mughal king was madly in love with a young boy named Baburi (from the Babur link provided type ‘Ctrl + F’ and type ‘Baburi’). Renowned Arabic poet Abu Nuwas, famous for his poems on “mudhakkarat” or “boy love” writes in the Perfumed Garden:

O the joy of sodomy! So now be sodomites, you Arabs.
Turn not away from it—therein is wondrous pleasure.
Take some coy lad with kiss-curls twisting on his temple
and ride as he stands like some gazelle standing to her mate.

-A lad whom all can see girt with sword and belt
not like your whore who has to go veiled.

Make for smooth-faced boys and do your very best
to mount them, for women are the mounts of the devils.

Nevertheless, Muhammad would always warn his followers to “beware of beardless youth” who “have eyes more tempting than the houris (i.e. female virgins).” So it seems that the prophet prohibits pedophilia (or perhaps pederasty) here on Earth, but mentions that they can enjoy them in heaven. From the looks of it, some of them just couldn’t contain themselves. It seems rather odd to forbid something in such a way if you think about it. He doesn’t just forbid it, he provides a word of caution about their power of attraction. This seems to almost warn about a guilty pleasure of some sort.

All that said, while the Qur’an seems to not only contradict itself, as well as provide questionable morality (to put it mildly), we can rest peacefully knowing that these verses—and the entire text for that matter—represent nothing but fiction. A poorly plagiarized one at that.

Catholicism represents over half of all Christians, do you then dismiss anything that isn't Catholicism because it isn't the majority?

Your interpretation of virgins and young boys is a little strange.

I believe it was Louis Carol (among others) that had photographs of naked children at home. Not because he was pedophile, but because youth was seen as purity. It was like having a photo of an unspoiled mountain wilderness over the mantle piece.

Virginity is seen as a purity thing too, even in the US where it is encouraged that young people marry as virgins. I don't get it myself, but there you go.
Boys serving their masters, none of what you quoted points to sexuality in my view.

Mohammed being a pedophile. Well, that depends on who you believe. Did he has sex with a 9 year old or a 12 year old. Had she had her period when he first had sex with her or not. Having sex with a 12 year old is NOT pedophilia, it has another name. Hebephilia.

However you're putting Mohammed into the modern world. In the context of his age, what he did wasn't abnormal. That isn't to say it should be practiced in the modern world.

Also, how many Muslims have sex with children that age?

Age of Consent -- Turkey

"The age of consent in Turkey is 15."

Ages of consent in Asia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Age of Consent in Indonesia is 16 years old."

"In Iran, sex outside marriage, regardless of age, is illegal. The minimum age of marriage in Iran is 15 for men and 13 for women."

"The age of consent in Iraq is 18."

"The age of consent in Jordan is 16."

"Sexual activity outside marriage is illegal in Kuwait.[46][47] The marriageable age is 15 for girls and 17 for boys."

"The age of consent in Kyrgyzstan is 16."

"The age of consent for sex in Lebanon is 18 for both males and females."

"The age of consent for heterosexual sex in Malaysia is 16 for both sexes."

"Sexual activity outside marriage is illegal in Maldives. The legal age of marriage is 18 for both males and females."

"Sexual activity outside marriage is illegal in Pakistan as per Islamic rules. The age of consent for sexual activity is 18 for men and 16 for women, although women can marry at 14."

"Any kind of sexual activity outside marriage is illegal.[citation needed] According to the Family Act, the minimum age of marriage is 18 for boys and 16 for girls."

"Any kind of sexual activity outside marriage is illegal in Saudi Arabia, but there is no restriction on the age of marriage.[67] As of 2013, age of consent for marriage has been set to 18."

"The age of consent in Syria is 15"

"The age of consent in Tajikistan is 16, "

"The age of consent in Turkmenistan is 16."

"The age of consent in Uzbekistan is 16"

"Any kind of sexual activity outside marriage is illegal in Yemen. Until recently, Yemeni law set the age of consent at 15. But tribal customs often trump the law. In practice, "Yemeni law allows girls of any age to wed, but it forbids sex with them until the indefinite time they’re 'suitable for sexual intercourse.'""

"Sexual activity outside marriage is illegal in Afghanistan. The minimum age of marriage in Afghanistan is 18 for men and 16 for women."

"The age of consent in Bahrain is 21."

"The Penal Code of Bangladesh considers 14 years as the age of consent."

"The age of consent in Brunei is 16."



But, Christian countries:

Philippines
"The minimum age for consensual sex is 12 years."

"In Argentina, the age at which there are no restrictions for sexual activities is 18, while the minimum age of consent is 13 regardless of gender or sexual orientation."

"The age of consent in Bolivia is set at 14, "

"In Brazil, the age of consent is 14,"

"In Chile, the age at which there are no restrictions for sexual activities is 18, while the minimum age of consent is 14."

"The Criminal Code of Colombia (Act 599 of 2000) as it was modified by article 4 of law 1236 of 2008, sets the age of consent at 14,"

"Under the new Criminal Code, which came into force in 2014, the minimum age of consent in Ecuador is 14,"

"The general age of consent in Paraguay is 14 for heterosexual relations and 16 for homosexual"

"The age of consent in Peru has changed several times during recent years, and has been subject to political debates,[22][23] but today it is fixed at 14, "

"The age of consent in Uruguay stands at 15 regardless of gender or sexual orientation."

Funny how for Muslim countries the normal age of consent appears to be 16, while in South America is appears to be 14.

And supposedly Muslims are the ones all going having sex with young girls and boys. Remember the thing with Catholic priests and young boys?

The Quran provides questionable morality, as does the Bible, nothing new there.