In a battle between Eurofighter and F-35, both pilots claim defeat

Don´t be a clown. It would not have lost against one of the Allies. All were required.
No, once the American army showed up you were screwed. There's no doubt the German Army was the most professional in the world, but the Americans learned very fast, and we produced more material than the entire rest of the world combined.

Hitler shouldn't have fucked with us.
 
Don´t be a clown. It would not have lost against one of the Allies. All were required.
The British Commonwealth alone could have defeated Germany. The USA alone could have defeated Germany. The USSR couldn’t without the massive military and economic support provided by the WAllies. At best the USSR would have retreated behind the Ural Mountains and slowly starved, at worst it would have disintegrated into smaller countries which would have made peace with Germany.
Germany lacked the population and resources to defeat either the Commonwealth or the USA. Yes, the Commonwealth or the USA would have had to spend more blood, but as long as they retained the will to fight victory for either was inevitable.
 
The prototype P-80 used the Halford H-1 engine from the Meteor. The production versions used a larger and more powerful American engine. The MiG used a unlicensed copy of the Rolls Royce Nene reverse engineered from one gifted to the USSR.
Ah, that's correct, the Vampire and F9F used them, as well as the Mig 15. I got them jumbled up.
 
Actually the Argentine Air Force gave a very good accounting of itself. They were hampered by very low loiter time over the target, literally measured in a few minutes, and the AIM9L was a world beater. Had it not been for that missile the Harriers would have had a far different outcome.

Argentine pilots were very well trained, and had a very high morale, and elan, they pushed attacks home and inflicted terrible losses on the RN.

The one saving grace that the RN had was the Argentine Navy never told the Air Force how to properly fuse their bombs for anti ship use due to interservice rivalry, thus the large number of bombs which hit their targets but failed to explode
The Argies pressed their attacks to the point their bombs lacked the time/distance to arm in most cases. The Falklands was a war fought by lions on both sides led by donkeys.
 
The British Commonwealth alone could have defeated Germany. The USA alone could have defeated Germany. The USSR couldn’t without the massive military and economic support provided by the WAllies. At best the USSR would have retreated behind the aural Mountains and slowly starved, at worst it would have disintegrated into smaller countries which would have made peace with Germany.
Germany lacked the population and resources to defeat either the Commonwealth or the USA. Yes, the Commonwealth or the USA would have had to spend more blood, but as long as they retained the will to fight victory for either was inevitable.
The Commonwealth couldn't have done it without our help. They were still too broke from WWI.
 
The Argies pressed their attacks to the point their bombs lacked the time/distance to arm in most cases. The Falklands was a war fought by lions on both sides led by donkeys.
Correct, they didn't use point detonating fuses. If they had they would have done far more damage. Pretty much what I said.
 
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The Meteor was operational during WWII and was used to intercept V-1s. The P-80 entered squadron service in February 1945 in Italy. So it just barely saw service in the war. Regardless, both the P-80 and Meteor were operationally and technically superior to the Me-262. Only a nation in the dire straits of Germany would have cleared unproven and dangerous aircraft like the 262 and 163 for operational service.
"Typically for early jet aircraft, the Meteor F.1 suffered from stability problems at high transonic speeds, experiencing large trim changes, high stick forces and self-sustained yaw instability (snaking)."

"At this point the Meteor pilots were still forbidden to fly over German-occupied territory, or to go east of Eindhoven, to prevent a downed aircraft being captured by the Germans or the Soviets."

So according to the Brits they developed a jet fighter then banned it. The true reason is it was not operational.


Read here about the P80 crashes:

Again: both don´t count.
 
"Typically for early jet aircraft, the Meteor F.1 suffered from stability problems at high transonic speeds, experiencing large trim changes, high stick forces and self-sustained yaw instability (snaking)."

"At this point the Meteor pilots were still forbidden to fly over German-occupied territory, or to go east of Eindhoven, to prevent a downed aircraft being captured by the Germans or the Soviets."

So according to the Brits they developed a jet fighter then banned it. The true reason is it was not operational.


Read here about the P80 crashes:

Again: both don´t count.
The Meteor saw action after the Battle of the Bulge operating from airfields in Belgium, and eventually moved into Germany proper at the end.

Due to lack of fuel the Luftwaffe basically was grounded so all 46 claims made by Meteors were strafing attacks.
 
The British Commonwealth alone could have defeated Germany. The USA alone could have defeated Germany. The USSR couldn’t without the massive military and economic support provided by the WAllies. At best the USSR would have retreated behind the Ural Mountains and slowly starved, at worst it would have disintegrated into smaller countries which would have made peace with Germany.
Germany lacked the population and resources to defeat either the Commonwealth or the USA. Yes, the Commonwealth or the USA would have had to spend more blood, but as long as they retained the will to fight victory for either was inevitable.
You lost touch to reality, totally. What does "British Commonwealth" mean if the Germans would have set up their naval blockade against the British Islands and there was no US Support? Nothing.

The Soviets got much help from the West. But that few tanks don´t count. They got mostly trucks and jeeps. But without the US, their industry capacity would have been only a fraction of what it actually was.

The USA had vast capacities and lots of soldiers but would have a huge disadvantage: They are off shore. No chance for them against the Reich.
 
You lost touch to reality, totally. What does "British Commonwealth" mean if the Germans would have set up their naval blockade against the British Islands and there was no US Support? Nothing.

The Soviets got much help from the West. But that few tanks don´t count. They got mostly trucks and jeeps. But without the US, their industry capacity would have been only a fraction of what it actually was.

The USA had vast capacities and lots of soldiers but would have a huge disadvantage: They are off shore. No chance for them against the Reich.
The Soviets received millions of tons of food, weapons, ammunition, aircraft, and yes trucks.

We gave them 600,000 trucks. We mobilized the Soviet Army, so while you were still stuck with horse pulling the majority of your supply, the Soviets drove in comfort.

Hell, the German Army never had close to 600,000 vehicles of all types, much less trucks.
 
You lost touch to reality, totally. What does "British Commonwealth" mean if the Germans would have set up their naval blockade against the British Islands and there was no US Support? Nothing.

The Soviets got much help from the West. But that few tanks don´t count. They got mostly trucks and jeeps. But without the US, their industry capacity would have been only a fraction of what it actually was.

The USA had vast capacities and lots of soldiers but would have a huge disadvantage: They are off shore. No chance for them against the Reich.
We invaded right on to the beaches of Normandy. No need for a port, sport.
 
The Soviets received millions of tons of food, weapons, ammunition, aircraft, and yes trucks.

We gave them 600,000 trucks. We mobilized the Soviet Army, so while you were still stuck with horse pulling the majority of your supply, the Soviets drove in comfort.

Hell, the German Army never had close to 600,000 vehicles of all types, much less trucks.
You are vastly exaggerating. The true number is 200.000.
 
We invaded right on to the beaches of Normandy. No need for a port, sport.
Of course they had to build ports.

"Prefabricated Landing Port Normandy 1944 Two prefabricated ports each as big as Gibraltar were manufactured in Britain in sections and towed across the channel and set down off the coast of Normandy The prefabricated port greatly simplified the problem of supplying the allied armies in France"​



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No, once the American army showed up you were screwed. There's no doubt the German Army was the most professional in the world, but the Americans learned very fast, and we produced more material than the entire rest of the world combined.

Hitler shouldn't have fucked with us.
No reason to depict the war as a stroll. And Germany didn´t start the hostilities. America did.
 
No reason to depict the war as a stroll. And Germany didn´t start the hostilities. America did.
Pretty sure the Poles think otherwise.
 
Of course they had to build ports.

"Prefabricated Landing Port Normandy 1944 Two prefabricated ports each as big as Gibraltar were manufactured in Britain in sections and towed across the channel and set down off the coast of Normandy The prefabricated port greatly simplified the problem of supplying the allied armies in France"​



prefabricated-landing-port-normandy-1944-two-prefabricated-ports-each-B3P52D.jpg
That was the Brits. We offloaded right onto the beaches. You should read more history.
 
Poland rejected the 16 points plan. And faced the consequences. But I was talking about America, not Poland.
So, Germany invaded Poland. Started WWII. Where is America involved?
 
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