Immigration....Who To Invite In?

[PoliticalChic]

The immigrants I know earn their own keep.

It appears that that is not a consideration for you.

Are you replying to may post?
I know 6 (legal) immigrant families, 2 of them are related by marriage to members of my immediate family. As far as I know, all the adults have jobs. I'm sure a couple of the families have some form of government support, most likely free and reduce lunch since a family can earn as much $70,000 and still qualify for a reduction in school lunch prices depending on the number in the family.

One thing I have noticed over the years, is all the 2nd generation immigrants in these families are doing better than their parents. Knowing what life was like in the countries they came from allows them appreciate America far more than most Americans. Few native born Americans have ever know real hunger or real fear for their life or what it really means to live in a nation where opportunity is there for the taking.

That’s great news...you’re saying good Americans are only REQUIRED to foster and spoon feed one generation of wetbacks now? HAHA...that’s AWESOME!
I call BULLSHIT!

Median household income and homeowner rate of 2nd generation immigrants is essential the same as that of the general population. 2nd generation immigrant college graduation is 15% higher than the general population. Crimes rates of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are less than the general population. Entrepreneurship of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are higher than the general population.

As far as use of government social services, legal immigrants use less than the general population because they don't qualify for the first 5 years in the country. The only groups of newcomers who can enter the United States and immediately receive social assistance are refugees and asylum seekers.

Unlike native born Americans legal immigrants are required to be self supporting. Financial stability is a key factor when US Citizenship and Immigration Services makes decisions about awarding green cards.

Poor immigrants are the least likely group to use welfare, despite Trump’s claims
Immigrant generations - Wikipedia

So many false claims. Nobody’s sane buys that bullshit.
Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare

The study includes both legal and illegal immigrants. I was writing about legal immigrants only.

As we know we can make the numbers tell any story we like as long as we select the right number.

Illegal Immigrants in every state can receive free and reduce lunches and almost all do because of low family income. So almost all illegal immigrant families have at least one person receiving government support, Free and Reduced Lunches. This skews the data in the report toward heavy use of government support by immigrants. If we eliminate illegal immigrants, the story is quite different.

For context.....
Is it your belief that every inhabitant of the world is entitled to migrate to the US?

 

[Taz]

We should just let in whites and Asians for a while. The rest of the people cause way too many problems.

 

[danielpalos]

We should just let in whites and Asians for a while. The rest of the people cause way too many problems.

the right wing is too lazy to muster and ensure our free States have no security problems;

they prefer calling kettles, black and brown.

 

[Toronado3800]

Are you replying to may post?
I know 6 (legal) immigrant families, 2 of them are related by marriage to members of my immediate family. As far as I know, all the adults have jobs. I'm sure a couple of the families have some form of government support, most likely free and reduce lunch since a family can earn as much $70,000 and still qualify for a reduction in school lunch prices depending on the number in the family.

One thing I have noticed over the years, is all the 2nd generation immigrants in these families are doing better than their parents. Knowing what life was like in the countries they came from allows them appreciate America far more than most Americans. Few native born Americans have ever know real hunger or real fear for their life or what it really means to live in a nation where opportunity is there for the taking.

That’s great news...you’re saying good Americans are only REQUIRED to foster and spoon feed one generation of wetbacks now? HAHA...that’s AWESOME!
I call BULLSHIT!

Median household income and homeowner rate of 2nd generation immigrants is essential the same as that of the general population. 2nd generation immigrant college graduation is 15% higher than the general population. Crimes rates of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are less than the general population. Entrepreneurship of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are higher than the general population.

As far as use of government social services, legal immigrants use less than the general population because they don't qualify for the first 5 years in the country. The only groups of newcomers who can enter the United States and immediately receive social assistance are refugees and asylum seekers.

Unlike native born Americans legal immigrants are required to be self supporting. Financial stability is a key factor when US Citizenship and Immigration Services makes decisions about awarding green cards.

Poor immigrants are the least likely group to use welfare, despite Trump’s claims
Immigrant generations - Wikipedia

So many false claims. Nobody’s sane buys that bullshit.
Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare

The study includes both legal and illegal immigrants. I was writing about legal immigrants only.

As we know we can make the numbers tell any story we like as long as we select the right number.

Illegal Immigrants in every state can receive free and reduce lunches and almost all do because of low family income. So almost all illegal immigrant families have at least one person receiving government support, Free and Reduced Lunches. This skews the data in the report toward heavy use of government support by immigrants. If we eliminate illegal immigrants, the story is quite different.

For context.....
Is it your belief that every inhabitant of the world is entitled to migrate to the US?

In my belief no. Let's start by doubling the number of legal immigrants we allow in next year.

Two years after that we'll try doubling it again if we haven't fixed the depopulation problems in our cities and the property value problems.

If interest rates were anything reasonable property in America would be near worthless and we know that's one way of crashing the economy and making the socialists look good.

 

[Toronado3800]

I get it. The government shucks, America sucks from your point of view.

Also I'm not gonna defend the limits on immigrants from Asia if the railroad wasn' importing them era. You are right there.

I'm also not a NO LIMIT guy. The real debate here is how many we can take in. Some polarizing posters get ppl here distracted from that with their name calling and encourage them to dig their heels into the sand.

How about next year we double the # of immigrants we allow in, but demand they move to states with negative population growth for ten years after coming? south st louis did well with a bunch of uneducated eastern europeans a decade or so back for example.

No, I don’t think our country sucks. Actually I just approached the subject historically and using rational common sense. Evidently from
that kind of response, it’s not something you’re accustomed to seeing. I simply interjected the question surrounding just one country, based on data provided courtesy of usaid.gov. If we are spending over $300 million a year in an effort to provide the people of that country with a better way of life, then why exactly are we also encouraging them to come here? If they are coming here, we really don’t need to be wasting taxpayer dollars over there. A very simple question that anyone reading it can basically follow and understand.

Also historically our nation has generally requested some form of information, to see if those immigrants seeking citizenship has the ability to become productive members of society. We have also restricted access based on our nation’s economic situation or in time of war with those nations we are engaged with. This raises another point. Show me where in the Constitution or through legislative law where the United States is “obligated” to even take immigrants if the executive branch or elected administration chooses not to.

With respect to your response, our Federal Government can not force a state to take on all their immigrants over any other. Show me where it’s written that our Federal Government has that kind of power to force an influx of immigrants or refugees onto selected states.

They don't. I did not say they do. But they should. The combination of "they's" is comical but you get my point.

Want to maintain the empire? We better maintain the population.

We also better create young healthy Americans who want to work. Importing the elderly parents of models and trophy wives isn't gonna cut it. Capitalism needs competition for labor and housing to work.

Plus hey, pull down the statue in the harbor and we can talk. Can't just be having it there to pretend we do it. Most of the forms of christian Jesus just know what you're doing.

So when you can no longer support your argument on the issue, when facts are presented, you try your luck on sarcasm. You could at least make an attempt to validate your point with facts of your own, instead of going through a meaningless rant that does nothing to prove your point.

So what’s your answer to the welfare issue? Because once you open the door to allowing any immigrant entry regardless of where they are coming from, allowing for no background checks, no efforts made on their part to contribute to our society. ... then someone evidently MUST care for and support them. Theas millions of immigrants you simply want to open the door to won’t contribute to any taxes, because the ability to become a contributing member of society is no longer valid in your view.

Let’s talk cost related to the health care mandate, parts of Obamacare are still in place for EVERY citizen. Do you think those costs President Obama promised will go down? Let’s be honest. Have you considered the care associated with over 20 million additional.. non productive .. immigrants that you want to allow? How does an increase in your Health Care payments and premiums sound to you? How much do you still want to see healtg care go up by? Those immigrants you want to allow, don’t contribute to any taxes because the ability to become a contributing member of society is no longer valid in your view.

Sarcasm is easy when you never took the time to consider the details and cost associated with what you’re asking. How much are you willing to see your taxes go up, to compensate for your overwhelming generosity to care for them?

Does merely discussing the facts really bother you this much?

Our opinions on maintaining an empire or even our real estate values must be different. I say population growth really helps.

I've also read plenty of how this immigrant from here or these from there were worthless and going to end America. Lord forbid we ever get a Catholic or Black President even. So you aren't going to convince me immigrants haven't been good for this country. Thank goodness we have brownies in fact or else our WASPS and Catholics might be fighting over who was an Irish / Brit Quadroon or something equally ridiculous.

Our Trophy Hunter in Chief imports immigrants for himself even. (sorry, I've listened to complaint's about Clinton's sex life for 25 years. Time to put up with something I don't even really care about until 2040ish)

So yeah, pony up, be proud of your opinions, I'm proud of mine. Yours are not entirely baseless and neither is an argument for Eugenics. Just some roads I'm not willing to go down.

Get out there and tear down the statue from France you obviously don't believe in.

First, you haven’t read plenty on immigration, or you would have been able to have a stronger argument to your point. I did not say immigration was bad. Actually what I said was our country’s own history has always placed certain conditions on their immigration policy based on our nation’s own economy or national interest. You haven’t discredited that. Had you “read plenty” on the subject, you wouldn’t have so easily avoided the issues surrounding (1) welfare, (2) the government taxpayer costs associated with caring for an immigrant’s health care due to the new mandate, (3) those who don’t work and pay taxes to contribute rather than simply seeking Federal assistance.

You see, your argument is otherwise strictly just an emotional one devoid of facts or rational thought. You haven’t given ANY reason towards the point of simply allowing any immigrant entry without restrictions. I’m not going to convince someone who bases their whole argument and reasoning through their “emotions”.

To your other point. You see immigrants are made up from more than just Catholics or Irish. We have Germans, those from Eastern Europe, Palestine, Israel, all over the orient, from African countries, etc. They each work harder than you, having to learn our system of government, go beyond their own native language to become fluent in English, learn and respect our laws, all in order to assimilate and learn how to thrive in our society. We didn’t have German road signs, or government forms written to make it easier for those coming from the Ukraine, no Russian or Japanese interpreters at every Motor Vehicle facility. They each worked hard at understanding our language AND culture to try and bring a better way of life for their children. So I think you have a lot to learn about immigrants, beyond just the Catholics, and the Irish. You can bring blacks into the discussion, but guess what ... at least the blacks in Great Britain refer themselves as being “English”. So excuse me if I don’t agree wiyh your attempts to interject race into this subject. You still have a LOT to learn about immigration.

You should read Flopper's post.

Yup, each of them immigrant groups you mentioned "were gonna be the end of America" at one point. Your personal attacks on me aside, there are plenty of Americans of German ancestry here who aren't eugenics loving homicidal maniacs and we should have taken in every Jew we saw in the 1930's.

My apologies if you are offended by Italians with their pizza places proudly declaring their "Italian American" heritage. If the "African American" stuff upsets you, I guess that does.

Plus, please do understand, unfortunately we can not let EVERYONE in who wants in. Let's double the quota next year and see if we have enough of a market to not have to destroy half our cranberries.

A couple years later we'll double it again if Ohio is still having property value problems. Contrary to my generally pro environmental stance, I think we may as well repopulate our cities. Lord forbid interest rates go up to a reasonable level and we have another housing crunch.

 

[Flopper]

Are you replying to may post?
I know 6 (legal) immigrant families, 2 of them are related by marriage to members of my immediate family. As far as I know, all the adults have jobs. I'm sure a couple of the families have some form of government support, most likely free and reduce lunch since a family can earn as much $70,000 and still qualify for a reduction in school lunch prices depending on the number in the family.

One thing I have noticed over the years, is all the 2nd generation immigrants in these families are doing better than their parents. Knowing what life was like in the countries they came from allows them appreciate America far more than most Americans. Few native born Americans have ever know real hunger or real fear for their life or what it really means to live in a nation where opportunity is there for the taking.

That’s great news...you’re saying good Americans are only REQUIRED to foster and spoon feed one generation of wetbacks now? HAHA...that’s AWESOME!
I call BULLSHIT!

Median household income and homeowner rate of 2nd generation immigrants is essential the same as that of the general population. 2nd generation immigrant college graduation is 15% higher than the general population. Crimes rates of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are less than the general population. Entrepreneurship of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are higher than the general population.

As far as use of government social services, legal immigrants use less than the general population because they don't qualify for the first 5 years in the country. The only groups of newcomers who can enter the United States and immediately receive social assistance are refugees and asylum seekers.

Unlike native born Americans legal immigrants are required to be self supporting. Financial stability is a key factor when US Citizenship and Immigration Services makes decisions about awarding green cards.

Poor immigrants are the least likely group to use welfare, despite Trump’s claims
Immigrant generations - Wikipedia

So many false claims. Nobody’s sane buys that bullshit.
Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare

The study includes both legal and illegal immigrants. I was writing about legal immigrants only.

As we know we can make the numbers tell any story we like as long as we select the right number.

Illegal Immigrants in every state can receive free and reduce lunches and almost all do because of low family income. So almost all illegal immigrant families have at least one person receiving government support, Free and Reduced Lunches. This skews the data in the report toward heavy use of government support by immigrants. If we eliminate illegal immigrants, the story is quite different.

For context.....
Is it your belief that every inhabitant of the world is entitled to migrate to the US?

Is it you belief that no person of foreign birth should be allowed in the US?

 

[BrokeLoser]

That’s great news...you’re saying good Americans are only REQUIRED to foster and spoon feed one generation of wetbacks now? HAHA...that’s AWESOME!
I call BULLSHIT!

Median household income and homeowner rate of 2nd generation immigrants is essential the same as that of the general population. 2nd generation immigrant college graduation is 15% higher than the general population. Crimes rates of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are less than the general population. Entrepreneurship of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are higher than the general population.

As far as use of government social services, legal immigrants use less than the general population because they don't qualify for the first 5 years in the country. The only groups of newcomers who can enter the United States and immediately receive social assistance are refugees and asylum seekers.

Unlike native born Americans legal immigrants are required to be self supporting. Financial stability is a key factor when US Citizenship and Immigration Services makes decisions about awarding green cards.

Poor immigrants are the least likely group to use welfare, despite Trump’s claims
Immigrant generations - Wikipedia

So many false claims. Nobody’s sane buys that bullshit.
Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare

The study includes both legal and illegal immigrants. I was writing about legal immigrants only.

As we know we can make the numbers tell any story we like as long as we select the right number.

Illegal Immigrants in every state can receive free and reduce lunches and almost all do because of low family income. So almost all illegal immigrant families have at least one person receiving government support, Free and Reduced Lunches. This skews the data in the report toward heavy use of government support by immigrants. If we eliminate illegal immigrants, the story is quite different.

For context.....
Is it your belief that every inhabitant of the world is entitled to migrate to the US?

Is it you belief that no person of foreign birth should be allowed in the US?

Is it your belief that one should not be required to QUALIFY to become part of the United States?

 

[Flopper]

Median household income and homeowner rate of 2nd generation immigrants is essential the same as that of the general population. 2nd generation immigrant college graduation is 15% higher than the general population. Crimes rates of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are less than the general population. Entrepreneurship of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are higher than the general population.

As far as use of government social services, legal immigrants use less than the general population because they don't qualify for the first 5 years in the country. The only groups of newcomers who can enter the United States and immediately receive social assistance are refugees and asylum seekers.

Unlike native born Americans legal immigrants are required to be self supporting. Financial stability is a key factor when US Citizenship and Immigration Services makes decisions about awarding green cards.

Poor immigrants are the least likely group to use welfare, despite Trump’s claims
Immigrant generations - Wikipedia

So many false claims. Nobody’s sane buys that bullshit.
Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare

The study includes both legal and illegal immigrants. I was writing about legal immigrants only.

As we know we can make the numbers tell any story we like as long as we select the right number.

Illegal Immigrants in every state can receive free and reduce lunches and almost all do because of low family income. So almost all illegal immigrant families have at least one person receiving government support, Free and Reduced Lunches. This skews the data in the report toward heavy use of government support by immigrants. If we eliminate illegal immigrants, the story is quite different.

For context.....
Is it your belief that every inhabitant of the world is entitled to migrate to the US?

Is it you belief that no person of foreign birth should be allowed in the US?

Is it your belief that one should not be required to QUALIFY to become part of the United States?

Of course there should be qualification for legal immigration. The person should be able to support themselves, meet certain health requirements, and have no convictions of aggravated felonies, crimes involving “moral turpitude”, or crimes involving drugs.
These are current requirement for a green card.

 

[PoliticalChic]

That’s great news...you’re saying good Americans are only REQUIRED to foster and spoon feed one generation of wetbacks now? HAHA...that’s AWESOME!
I call BULLSHIT!

Median household income and homeowner rate of 2nd generation immigrants is essential the same as that of the general population. 2nd generation immigrant college graduation is 15% higher than the general population. Crimes rates of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are less than the general population. Entrepreneurship of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are higher than the general population.

As far as use of government social services, legal immigrants use less than the general population because they don't qualify for the first 5 years in the country. The only groups of newcomers who can enter the United States and immediately receive social assistance are refugees and asylum seekers.

Unlike native born Americans legal immigrants are required to be self supporting. Financial stability is a key factor when US Citizenship and Immigration Services makes decisions about awarding green cards.

Poor immigrants are the least likely group to use welfare, despite Trump’s claims
Immigrant generations - Wikipedia

So many false claims. Nobody’s sane buys that bullshit.
Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare

The study includes both legal and illegal immigrants. I was writing about legal immigrants only.

As we know we can make the numbers tell any story we like as long as we select the right number.

Illegal Immigrants in every state can receive free and reduce lunches and almost all do because of low family income. So almost all illegal immigrant families have at least one person receiving government support, Free and Reduced Lunches. This skews the data in the report toward heavy use of government support by immigrants. If we eliminate illegal immigrants, the story is quite different.

For context.....
Is it your belief that every inhabitant of the world is entitled to migrate to the US?

Is it you belief that no person of foreign birth should be allowed in the US?

No, you moron....I'm an immigrant.....and more of an American than you are.

Now....why are you fearful of answering the question?

 

[PoliticalChic]

So many false claims. Nobody’s sane buys that bullshit.
Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare

The study includes both legal and illegal immigrants. I was writing about legal immigrants only.

As we know we can make the numbers tell any story we like as long as we select the right number.

Illegal Immigrants in every state can receive free and reduce lunches and almost all do because of low family income. So almost all illegal immigrant families have at least one person receiving government support, Free and Reduced Lunches. This skews the data in the report toward heavy use of government support by immigrants. If we eliminate illegal immigrants, the story is quite different.

For context.....
Is it your belief that every inhabitant of the world is entitled to migrate to the US?

Is it you belief that no person of foreign birth should be allowed in the US?

Is it your belief that one should not be required to QUALIFY to become part of the United States?

Of course there should be qualification for legal immigration. The person should be able to support themselves, meet certain health requirements, and have no convictions of aggravated felonies, crimes involving “moral turpitude”, or crimes involving drugs.
These are current requirement for a green card.

"The person should be able to support themselves,...."


Sooo.....no welfare?

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

No, I don’t think our country sucks. Actually I just approached the subject historically and using rational common sense. Evidently from
that kind of response, it’s not something you’re accustomed to seeing. I simply interjected the question surrounding just one country, based on data provided courtesy of usaid.gov. If we are spending over $300 million a year in an effort to provide the people of that country with a better way of life, then why exactly are we also encouraging them to come here? If they are coming here, we really don’t need to be wasting taxpayer dollars over there. A very simple question that anyone reading it can basically follow and understand.

Also historically our nation has generally requested some form of information, to see if those immigrants seeking citizenship has the ability to become productive members of society. We have also restricted access based on our nation’s economic situation or in time of war with those nations we are engaged with. This raises another point. Show me where in the Constitution or through legislative law where the United States is “obligated” to even take immigrants if the executive branch or elected administration chooses not to.

With respect to your response, our Federal Government can not force a state to take on all their immigrants over any other. Show me where it’s written that our Federal Government has that kind of power to force an influx of immigrants or refugees onto selected states.

They don't. I did not say they do. But they should. The combination of "they's" is comical but you get my point.

Want to maintain the empire? We better maintain the population.

We also better create young healthy Americans who want to work. Importing the elderly parents of models and trophy wives isn't gonna cut it. Capitalism needs competition for labor and housing to work.

Plus hey, pull down the statue in the harbor and we can talk. Can't just be having it there to pretend we do it. Most of the forms of christian Jesus just know what you're doing.

So when you can no longer support your argument on the issue, when facts are presented, you try your luck on sarcasm. You could at least make an attempt to validate your point with facts of your own, instead of going through a meaningless rant that does nothing to prove your point.

So what’s your answer to the welfare issue? Because once you open the door to allowing any immigrant entry regardless of where they are coming from, allowing for no background checks, no efforts made on their part to contribute to our society. ... then someone evidently MUST care for and support them. Theas millions of immigrants you simply want to open the door to won’t contribute to any taxes, because the ability to become a contributing member of society is no longer valid in your view.

Let’s talk cost related to the health care mandate, parts of Obamacare are still in place for EVERY citizen. Do you think those costs President Obama promised will go down? Let’s be honest. Have you considered the care associated with over 20 million additional.. non productive .. immigrants that you want to allow? How does an increase in your Health Care payments and premiums sound to you? How much do you still want to see healtg care go up by? Those immigrants you want to allow, don’t contribute to any taxes because the ability to become a contributing member of society is no longer valid in your view.

Sarcasm is easy when you never took the time to consider the details and cost associated with what you’re asking. How much are you willing to see your taxes go up, to compensate for your overwhelming generosity to care for them?

Does merely discussing the facts really bother you this much?

Our opinions on maintaining an empire or even our real estate values must be different. I say population growth really helps.

I've also read plenty of how this immigrant from here or these from there were worthless and going to end America. Lord forbid we ever get a Catholic or Black President even. So you aren't going to convince me immigrants haven't been good for this country. Thank goodness we have brownies in fact or else our WASPS and Catholics might be fighting over who was an Irish / Brit Quadroon or something equally ridiculous.

Our Trophy Hunter in Chief imports immigrants for himself even. (sorry, I've listened to complaint's about Clinton's sex life for 25 years. Time to put up with something I don't even really care about until 2040ish)

So yeah, pony up, be proud of your opinions, I'm proud of mine. Yours are not entirely baseless and neither is an argument for Eugenics. Just some roads I'm not willing to go down.

Get out there and tear down the statue from France you obviously don't believe in.

First, you haven’t read plenty on immigration, or you would have been able to have a stronger argument to your point. I did not say immigration was bad. Actually what I said was our country’s own history has always placed certain conditions on their immigration policy based on our nation’s own economy or national interest. You haven’t discredited that. Had you “read plenty” on the subject, you wouldn’t have so easily avoided the issues surrounding (1) welfare, (2) the government taxpayer costs associated with caring for an immigrant’s health care due to the new mandate, (3) those who don’t work and pay taxes to contribute rather than simply seeking Federal assistance.

You see, your argument is otherwise strictly just an emotional one devoid of facts or rational thought. You haven’t given ANY reason towards the point of simply allowing any immigrant entry without restrictions. I’m not going to convince someone who bases their whole argument and reasoning through their “emotions”.

To your other point. You see immigrants are made up from more than just Catholics or Irish. We have Germans, those from Eastern Europe, Palestine, Israel, all over the orient, from African countries, etc. They each work harder than you, having to learn our system of government, go beyond their own native language to become fluent in English, learn and respect our laws, all in order to assimilate and learn how to thrive in our society. We didn’t have German road signs, or government forms written to make it easier for those coming from the Ukraine, no Russian or Japanese interpreters at every Motor Vehicle facility. They each worked hard at understanding our language AND culture to try and bring a better way of life for their children. So I think you have a lot to learn about immigrants, beyond just the Catholics, and the Irish. You can bring blacks into the discussion, but guess what ... at least the blacks in Great Britain refer themselves as being “English”. So excuse me if I don’t agree wiyh your attempts to interject race into this subject. You still have a LOT to learn about immigration.

You should read Flopper's post.

Yup, each of them immigrant groups you mentioned "were gonna be the end of America" at one point. Your personal attacks on me aside, there are plenty of Americans of German ancestry here who aren't eugenics loving homicidal maniacs and we should have taken in every Jew we saw in the 1930's.

My apologies if you are offended by Italians with their pizza places proudly declaring their "Italian American" heritage. If the "African American" stuff upsets you, I guess that does.

Plus, please do understand, unfortunately we can not let EVERYONE in who wants in. Let's double the quota next year and see if we have enough of a market to not have to destroy half our cranberries.

A couple years later we'll double it again if Ohio is still having property value problems. Contrary to my generally pro environmental stance, I think we may as well repopulate our cities. Lord forbid interest rates go up to a reasonable level and we have another housing crunch.

Yet again you have a lot to learn about immigrants. As I have said, they work a lot harder than you to attain citizenship with the desire to WANT to provide a better life for their kids. Where have I said I was bothered by Italaians heritage and blacks, is it because you want to interject race into this issue? Because when liberals can’t defend their points with FACTS that’s exeactly where they do. So be kind as to show me exactly where I said and found Italians to be offensive to me?

Next time you post in reference to me please be accurate with a direct quote, otherwise learn to read before you post.

Now if you want to pawn the discussion off to Flopper because you are incapable of defending your position when questions, like (1) showing where our Constitution says we are obligated to take immigrants, (2) where in our nation’s history have we not limited immigration through the judgment of the administration (4) how do we pay for these new citizens Health Care, if those you want to allow are not productive members of society? (3) where does the Constitution Force particular states to accept immigrants to (as you’ve said) increase their population in comparison to other states. I have given you facts through usaid.gov, I mean if this is to difficult for you to answer just basic questions... by all means continue to pawn the discussion to Flopper.

 

[Taz]

I say let's invite in only people with perfect English, at least for a while. The rest of the mob is just too unruly and ungrateful.

 

[Flopper]

Median household income and homeowner rate of 2nd generation immigrants is essential the same as that of the general population. 2nd generation immigrant college graduation is 15% higher than the general population. Crimes rates of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are less than the general population. Entrepreneurship of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are higher than the general population.

As far as use of government social services, legal immigrants use less than the general population because they don't qualify for the first 5 years in the country. The only groups of newcomers who can enter the United States and immediately receive social assistance are refugees and asylum seekers.

Unlike native born Americans legal immigrants are required to be self supporting. Financial stability is a key factor when US Citizenship and Immigration Services makes decisions about awarding green cards.

Poor immigrants are the least likely group to use welfare, despite Trump’s claims
Immigrant generations - Wikipedia

So many false claims. Nobody’s sane buys that bullshit.
Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare

The study includes both legal and illegal immigrants. I was writing about legal immigrants only.

As we know we can make the numbers tell any story we like as long as we select the right number.

Illegal Immigrants in every state can receive free and reduce lunches and almost all do because of low family income. So almost all illegal immigrant families have at least one person receiving government support, Free and Reduced Lunches. This skews the data in the report toward heavy use of government support by immigrants. If we eliminate illegal immigrants, the story is quite different.

For context.....
Is it your belief that every inhabitant of the world is entitled to migrate to the US?

Is it you belief that no person of foreign birth should be allowed in the US?

No, you moron....I'm an immigrant.....and more of an American than you are.

Now....why are you fearful of answering the question?

I don't answer silly rhetorical questions but I will say I believe in an immigration system that establishes limits based on the needs of the nation.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So many false claims. Nobody’s sane buys that bullshit.
Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare

The study includes both legal and illegal immigrants. I was writing about legal immigrants only.

As we know we can make the numbers tell any story we like as long as we select the right number.

Illegal Immigrants in every state can receive free and reduce lunches and almost all do because of low family income. So almost all illegal immigrant families have at least one person receiving government support, Free and Reduced Lunches. This skews the data in the report toward heavy use of government support by immigrants. If we eliminate illegal immigrants, the story is quite different.

For context.....
Is it your belief that every inhabitant of the world is entitled to migrate to the US?

Is it you belief that no person of foreign birth should be allowed in the US?

No, you moron....I'm an immigrant.....and more of an American than you are.

Now....why are you fearful of answering the question?

I don't answer silly rhetorical questions but I will say I believe in an immigration system that establishes limits based on the needs of the nation.

Actually.....you can't answer the question as the correct answer would hold you up to even more ridicule than usual.

 

[Taz]

Median household income and homeowner rate of 2nd generation immigrants is essential the same as that of the general population. 2nd generation immigrant college graduation is 15% higher than the general population. Crimes rates of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are less than the general population. Entrepreneurship of both 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are higher than the general population.

As far as use of government social services, legal immigrants use less than the general population because they don't qualify for the first 5 years in the country. The only groups of newcomers who can enter the United States and immediately receive social assistance are refugees and asylum seekers.

Unlike native born Americans legal immigrants are required to be self supporting. Financial stability is a key factor when US Citizenship and Immigration Services makes decisions about awarding green cards.

Poor immigrants are the least likely group to use welfare, despite Trump’s claims
Immigrant generations - Wikipedia

So many false claims. Nobody’s sane buys that bullshit.
Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare

The study includes both legal and illegal immigrants. I was writing about legal immigrants only.

As we know we can make the numbers tell any story we like as long as we select the right number.

Illegal Immigrants in every state can receive free and reduce lunches and almost all do because of low family income. So almost all illegal immigrant families have at least one person receiving government support, Free and Reduced Lunches. This skews the data in the report toward heavy use of government support by immigrants. If we eliminate illegal immigrants, the story is quite different.

For context.....
Is it your belief that every inhabitant of the world is entitled to migrate to the US?

Is it you belief that no person of foreign birth should be allowed in the US?

No, you moron....I'm an immigrant.....and more of an American than you are.

Now....why are you fearful of answering the question?

Which Asian country are you from?

 

[danielpalos]

Why are we losing money on border policy? Only lousy Capitalists, do that.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So many false claims. Nobody’s sane buys that bullshit.
Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare

The study includes both legal and illegal immigrants. I was writing about legal immigrants only.

As we know we can make the numbers tell any story we like as long as we select the right number.

Illegal Immigrants in every state can receive free and reduce lunches and almost all do because of low family income. So almost all illegal immigrant families have at least one person receiving government support, Free and Reduced Lunches. This skews the data in the report toward heavy use of government support by immigrants. If we eliminate illegal immigrants, the story is quite different.

For context.....
Is it your belief that every inhabitant of the world is entitled to migrate to the US?

Is it you belief that no person of foreign birth should be allowed in the US?

No, you moron....I'm an immigrant.....and more of an American than you are.

Now....why are you fearful of answering the question?

Which Asian country are you from?

Why?

 

[Flopper]

The study includes both legal and illegal immigrants. I was writing about legal immigrants only.

As we know we can make the numbers tell any story we like as long as we select the right number.

Illegal Immigrants in every state can receive free and reduce lunches and almost all do because of low family income. So almost all illegal immigrant families have at least one person receiving government support, Free and Reduced Lunches. This skews the data in the report toward heavy use of government support by immigrants. If we eliminate illegal immigrants, the story is quite different.

For context.....
Is it your belief that every inhabitant of the world is entitled to migrate to the US?

Is it you belief that no person of foreign birth should be allowed in the US?

No, you moron....I'm an immigrant.....and more of an American than you are.

Now....why are you fearful of answering the question?

I don't answer silly rhetorical questions but I will say I believe in an immigration system that establishes limits based on the needs of the nation.

Actually.....you can't answer the question as the correct answer would hold you up to even more ridicule than usual.

You ask what I believe and you're looking for the correct answer to what question?

 

[MaryL]

I am a idiot. A buffoon the Scaramouch. . Only to be usurped by people that allow themselves to be abused. Because, ya know being abused is what illegal aliens are all about. And all those Rich white elitists overlords, they feel so entitled, and they think pandering to poor illegals somehow magically clears their conscience . Think again.

 

[MaryL]

I am a idiot. A buffoon the Scaramouch. Only to be usurped by people that allow themselves to be abused. Because, ya know being abused is what illegal aliens are all about. And all those Rich white elitists overlords, they feel so entitled, and they think pandering to poor illegals and abusing these self same "victims" somehow magically clears their conscience . Think again.