Immigration, legal and not, is not the problem some are making it out to be

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

What a crock. Just what can 11 MILLION uneducated ,unskilled ,non-English speaking paupers DO? Except go on Welfare or commit crimes?

Or work domestic, basic manufacturing, or agriculture.

You don't know anything about it.

 

[Harry Dresden]

You have allegations, I have the numbers.

john there is more than 11 million,like i said i heard that number 10 years ago....FAIR says 16 million.....which is closer to the amount.....

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

john there is more than 11 million,like i said i heard that number 10 years ago....FAIR says 16 million.....which is closer to the amount.....

The numbers are there. Look them up.

 

[San Souci]

Or work domestic, basic manufacturing, or agriculture.

You don't know anything about it.

Already HAVE an overflow of those who ARE legal residents.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Already HAVE an overflow of those who ARE legal residents.

... who won't work those jobs. This argument has been going on for 200 years.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The numbers are there. Look them up.

i just did.....you are wrong.....that was a very conservative estimate by whoever you got that number from...

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Even if the Yale statistical modeling is correct; we as a country are better off getting these people into the system, working, paying taxes, and so forth.

 

[koshergrl]

Where criminals are involved, whether it be MAGA or cartel aliens, it is invasion of American laws, yes.

We aren't paying terrorists and traffickers at our border. That's democrats. And if Republicans are, they need to be put in prison, too.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Thank you. What you are saying is that both parties have to fix this problem, and with that I agree.

 

[Nova78]

As of 2021, the U.S. population was 332 million. Estimates are that there are 11.5 million undocumented people living here, so that is only 3.5%.

The problem is thinking that is a problem, let alone believing it is a crisis of some kind.

We have a historically low unemployment rate currently 3.7%, so the undocumented are not only not the problem, we need them here.

Immigrants are the folks who had the gumption to take the risk to leave society's they were familiar with to resettle in strange surroundings and they typically thrive. These are the people you should want to be here with lower crime rates than native born Americans and hard workers.

We should process work permits for those who are here and hire more immigration court staff to rapidly process asylum claims.

Stop making the undocumented, who the vast majority of which are good decent people, live in limbo so the wealthy can profit from their cheap labor.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Like what? We signed on to the 1967 Protocol. I guess we could get out from under it but until that happens we do have obligations.

Unilaterally withdraw. Problem solved.

1880 witnessed a population that was almost 40% immigrant.

1880 was a far different era than today

The west had millions of acres of farm land waiting to be plowed, and timber to be cut

The north was rapidly industrializing and in need of workers for its factories

But today uneducated foreigners are a drag on our economy snd our welfare system

But JESH is not honest enough to admit any of this.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Jaraxle and Mac-7 are wrong yet again.

Yes, we need immigrants to keep the economy growing and going.

 

[Mac-7]

Jaraxle and Mac-7 are wrong yet again.

Yes, we need immigrants to keep the economy growing and going.

Yes, but kind of immigrants and how many?

We need the best and the brightest that other nations have to offer

And their immediate family - i.e. wives and children only

Doctors, engineers, high skilled technicians

We dont need taxi drivers, gardeners, drug dealers or other assorted illiterates

Agreed?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Yes, but kind of immigrants and how many?

We need the best and the brightest that other nations have to offer

And their immediate family - i.e. wives and children only

Doctors, engineers, high skilled technicians

We dont need taxi drivers, gardeners, drug dealers or other assorted illiterates

Agreed?

Who says we don't need those people when Americans won't do them, other than drug dealing, which is a highly completive with growth opportunity provided you can stay alive.

 

[Mac-7]

Who says we don't need those people when Americans won't do them, other than drug dealing, which is a highly completive with growth opportunity provided you can stay alive.

Libs manufacture lazy Americans with bleeding heart welfare policies

You make it too easy to be a bum

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Libs manufacture lazy Americans with bleeding heart welfare policies

You make it too easy to be a bum

Americans have been bums when half of them died at Plymouth that first winter, and the indigenous peoples had to feed the Jamestown settlers so they would not starve.

 

[Mac-7]

Americans have been bums when half of them died at Plymouth that first winter, and the indigenous peoples had to feed the Jamestown settlers so they would not starve.

How does that relates to today ?

 

[Jarlaxle]

How does that relates to today ?

Not at all, it's a pathetic deflection.

 

[San Souci]

... who won't work those jobs. This argument has been going on for 200 years.

That "Give us your poor ,tired ,hungry" crap is obsolete. In the 1800's , 90% of Jobs were grunt labor. Nowadays it is less than 5%. And sinking fast. The USA does not need any more unskilled paupers.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

That "Give us your poor ,tired ,hungry" crap is obsolete. In the 1800's , 90% of Jobs were grunt labor. Nowadays it is less than 5%. And sinking fast. The USA does not need any more unskilled paupers.

And yet those jobs are filled by immigrants and still go begging for more.