Immigration “due process” considered

[ColonelAngus]

95% drop.

Not like a 10% drop

95%!

Illegal crossings down 95% from what was called a SECURE BORDER WITH 21 MILLION ILLEGAL CROSSINGS DURING BIDEN ADMIN.

What changed?

 

[BackAgain]

Yep, and said they get the same process as citizen criminals . No, they don’t

Of course they do.

But I’m tired of your nonsense.

So, try this. Name anything to which any U.S. citizen is entitled in terms of due process in any criminal case to which an alien or illegal alien isn’t entitled.

 

[jc456]

Of course they do.

But I’m tired of your nonsense.

So, try this. Name anything to which any U.S. citizen is entitled in terms of due process in any criminal case to which an alien or illegal alien isn’t entitled.

I posted the link dude.

You’re free to post the data that fits your post. You’re behaving like a demofk now

 

[jc456]

95% drop.

Not like a 10% drop

95%!

Illegal crossings down 95% from what was called a SECURE BORDER WITH 21 MILLION ILLEGAL CROSSINGS DURING BIDEN ADMIN.

What changed?

One man

 

[ColonelAngus]

One man

But but but but

The Dems said THE BORDER IS SECURE!

Dems, if the BORDER WAS SECURE, HOW DID ILLEGAL CROSSINGS DROP 95%?

 

[jc456]

But but but but

The Dems said THE BORDER IS SECURE!

Dems, if the BORDER WAS SECURE, HOW DID ILLEGAL CROSSINGS DROP 95%?

Had to pass demofk legislation to do it!!!

 

[ColonelAngus]

Mayorkas insists border is closed as migrants stream across

Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas declared that the U.S. borders are closed during a heated exchange with Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wisc., on Tuesday.

www.foxnews.com

Mayorkas just lied his bald ****** ass off for 4 years.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Well that settles it. Listen to NADLER AND MAYORKAS!

 

[ColonelAngus]

This is what conservatives want, you bubblehead AOC.

Biden admin let in millions of illegals. It is going to take lots of money to deport them.

THERE IS A LEGAL IMMIGRATION PROCESS….PLUS, LIKE I KEEP SAYING, YOU ASSHOLES CAN SPONSOR ILLEGALS FOR CITIZENSHIP!

The process for sponsorship is in my signature. Go sponsor an illegal!

 

[BackAgain]

I posted the link dude.

You’re free to post the data that fits your post. You’re behaving like a demofk now

You falsely claimed I had said what I didn’t say.

You have no credibility at this point.

And it’s funny. Because. Had been refraining from observing that you are arguing like a libturd.

Other than that, I recommend a shrink for you. You’re seeing things.

What data do I need to provide to substantiate what I correctly stated?

 

[BackAgain]

What is known as Due Process. You may argue what is “Due” but you cannot deny the process

Snatching someone off the street and shipping to a Hell Hole Prison without a chance to see the evidence against you is not Due Process

Oh yea…..Trump did not like his tattoos

Just to underscore for the nitwits like Leftwhiner: “Sue” is the word that modifies “process.” I haven’t denied that illegal aliens are entitled to some process. But what degree of process is it to which they’re due?

Leftwhiner will never honestly admit that he has no clue about that.

 

[jc456]

You falsely claimed I had said what I didn’t say.

You have no credibility at this point.

And it’s funny. Because. Had been refraining from observing that you are arguing like a libturd.

Other than that, I recommend a shrink for you. You’re seeing things.

What data do I need to provide to substantiate what I correctly stated?

Your claim,

Trump Approves National Guard JAG Officers as Immigration Judges

Florida’s plan, approved by President Trump in July 2025, uses nine National Guard JAG officers as immigration judges at a new South Florida detention center. Designed to speed deportations, the policy faces criticism over limited training, judicial independence, and potential due process...

www.visaverge.com

Due process means “that process to which you are due. “

This, you’re right.

So, the question here is: “to what process is any person due when he is not even legally here in the first place?”

Note: that’s a question. It is not the answer.

When arrested and tried for a crime, an illegal alien defendant has all the Constitutional rights which we all have and which you could dream of

Nope, they don’t, I gave you the link showing they don’t.

— so we have a partial answer: an illegal alien has the very same due process rights as citizens in criminal cases.

Nope, wrong, same link I provided

And, there is a simple, clear and fair set of explanations for why this is so. Suffice it to say, the Constitution says so.

Nope

We also know that there is not that high a “level” of “due process” in other matters. (Traditional rules of evidence get relaxed in some civil cases and at administrative hearings and proceedings.)

I assume that all of us are well-versed enough in the immigration system to grasp that it is not an Article III court. One of the things that follows from all of this is the fact that Immigration Courts, in our land, are under the Executive Branch.

If circumstances warrant it, then under the division of power and authority of our Constitutional government, the President can authorize the use of our national guard to serve as immigration “judges.” (Maybe he even gave the Gov in Fla that idea!)

BREAKING: Florida's Wild Plan to Use National Guard as Immigration Judges! - County Local News

The plan was submitted to President Donald trump, indicating a strategic alignment with federal immigration policies that prioritize enforcement and

countylocalnews.com

 

[BackAgain]

Your claim,


This, you’re right.

I know.

Nope, they don’t, I gave you the link showing they don’t.

Really? What “link” would that be? My assertion was and is correct.

Nope, wrong, same link I provided

Nope

What link is it to which you murkily refer?

Let me say it again for you. If an illegal alien is charged with a crime — whether you know it or not or admit it or not — that alien gets full due process protection. And that’s because of the use of the word “person” in our Constitution rather than the word “citizen.”

 

[toobfreak]

No. I’m right. Of course a citizen gets due process in a criminal trial. But so does even an illegal alien.

Only if that illegal is involved in some overt crime like bank robbery or murder, not for the mere act of being here illegally. It is at the discretion of the court if a person is found to be here illegally and a bad actor (part of a gang, etc.) whether they want to hold him over for some trial or to simply deport them.

 

[jc456]

I know.

Really? What “link” would that be? My assertion was and is correct.

What link is it to which you murkily refer?

Let me say it again for you. If an illegal alien is charged with a crime — whether you know it or not or admit it or not — that alien gets full due process protection. And that’s because of the use of the word “person” in our Constitution rather than the word “citizen.”

The link in my second post to you. Still behaving like a demofk

 

[BackAgain]

Only if that illegal is involved in some overt crime like bank robbery or murder, not for the mere act of being here illegally.

Correct. And that’s what I posted.

It is at the discretion of the court if a person is found to be here illegally and a bad actor (part of a gang, etc.) whether they want to hold him over for some trial or to simply deport them.

No. It isn’t. If a person is accused by a Grand Jury of a felony, the judge can preside over the case (or dismiss it if it is found not to have a valid legal and factual predicate).

But no judge can otherwise dismiss a case just because he or she feels that a deportation would be preferable. That’s not a judge’s call to make.

 

[BackAgain]

The link in my second post to you. Still behaving like a demofk

I need to wade back through whatever it was you said because you can’t link your own erroneous post?

You are absurd. Just tell me the post number. Or is that too difficult?

 

[toobfreak]

Correct. And that’s what I posted.

Who cares?

No. It isn’t. If a person is accused by a Grand Jury of a felony,

You know an illegal alien accused by a grand jury?

the judge can preside over the case (or dismiss it if it is found not to have a valid legal and factual predicate).
But no judge can otherwise dismiss a case just because he or she feels that a deportation would be preferable. That’s not a judge’s call to make.

First you say an illegal can be dismissed, then you say he can't. Any illegal if captured and held for his illegality need not be represented in court upon being adjudicated for removal from the country. Otherwise, show me the millions of court cases Obumma went through deporting everyone he kicked out of the country!

 

[jc456]

I need to wade back through whatever it was you said because you can’t link your own erroneous post?

You are absurd. Just tell me the post number. Or is that too difficult?

Oh for fk sake, now you’re whining like a demofk. How hard is it to hop from each of our posts?

Less than a minute

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[BackAgain]

Who cares?

Given how much you reply, offhand it seems that you care.

You know an illegal alien accused by a grand jury?

I’ve both prosecuted illegal aliens and later defended some. Is “yes” a clear enough answer?

First you say an illegal can be dismissed, then you say he can't.

No. I don’t say an illegal alien can be dismissed. His case can be dismissed if it is based on a defective or deficient grand jury presentment. Same as can a citizen’s case. For the same due process reasons. As I said.

Any illegal if captured and held for his illegality need not be represented in court upon being adjudicated for removal from the country.

An illegal alien, in an American immigration court proceeding, is not entitled to free legal representation. The process to which he is due isn’t the same in an immigration “court” proceeding as it is for him in a criminal court proceeding.

Otherwise, show me the millions of court cases Obumma went through deporting everyone he kicked out of the country!

Not possible to show you what you don’t seem to be grasping. If the illegal alien didn’t demand a full removal proceeding but, instead, agreed to simply accept the inevitability of removal, then there is no further immigration court proceeding needed any longer.