Im opening a HUGE can of worms here......

[KLSuddeth]

I will admit that I am no where as politically active as DK or many of you here on the board is, however I do have my beliefs that I am passionate regarding.

I hate labels - of any sort.....Im just 'weird' like that LOL.

Here is my question for those of you who would answer it......If I could have my preference, I would really love to have the replies of the following people included:
Jim, RightWing Avenger, Sir Evil, Moi, MtnBiker, WonderWench, Crazy Liberal, as well as anyone else who cares to reply. (DK, I didnt include you because I already KNOW you'll answer - god knows that we debate enough about this LOL :::grin::

How would you classify me?

For years I was registered as a republican - now Im not
I am not against gay marriage.
I am not against abortion, although I think that complete pro choice is taken to an extreme and I DESPISE those who would use prochoice as an excuse or means of birth control-thats sick.
I cannot get behind the patriot act - I just cant
I hate war - of any sort.
Im a hypocrite: meaning, I dont feel that anyone has the right to play god and decide who lives and dies (capitol punishment)....however, if someone hurt my kids or my husband, Id rip them apart and love every minute of it.
Im an environmentalist.
Im metaphysical, deeply spiritual, but not religious at all.
I feel that the biggest problem (or at least one of the largest) is a complete and total lack of moral fiber in this country.
I feel that people do not take enough personal responsibility.
I feel that if youre not PROactive then youre REactive - no exceptions...and if youre NOT PROactive, then youre part of the problem.
I feel that anyone that goes to extremes (Im speaking of beliefs) is wrong - whether youre considered a 'fucking hippy liberal' or a 'rotten ass neo-con'....the problem is the lack of balance and tolerance.
I feel that technology outweighs the spiritual nature thereby throwing off the balance completely.
I hate guns - but again, if anyone touched my children, Id pistol whip the shit out of them and then start shooting - at first not to kill, but to maim and cause pain, leaving the rotten bastard (or bitch) to bleed out and die in agony. (damn I am SUCH a hypocrite)

There is alot more obviously, but in a nutshell - thats me.

I know that I may be opening Pandora's Box here, but Im truly curious to the answers that I may get from those on the board.



Peace (unless you piss me off), LMAO!!!!!!

~Lanyce

 

[KLSuddeth]

I wont be responding immediately to these because I have a full day.....so please dont think Im dismissing your opinion by not acknowledging your reply - Im probably not home

 

[jon_forward]

someone that I wouldnt mind having as a neighbor...but I think on Sept 7th the other neighbors may get a little ticked off.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

You and I are not so far off.

I'm pro choice, though I do believe it is killing a baby. I'm pro gun and pro war, when it's necessary. I'm also pro capital punishment. At least you are honest enough to admit that when it comes to your family, you would use violence to defend them. Why doesn't that inform your stance on the national policy?


As for gay marriage, I'd prefer a civil union, but this is one we're just not going to win. If caving on this lexical issue means we could get more "independants" to vote to defend the civilized world, I'm all for it.

To my thinking, the dem party has never done anything to encourage the individual responsibility you promote. They're all about handouts and excuses. What do you think about that?

You seem pretty sensible kl, you've probably fallen into the trap of accepting that all conservatives are horrible and that you, therefore, must not be one. WHo want to be a horrible conservative? Also it's constantly put forth that the liberals view is the defacto "intellectual" view. The smartest people I know are staunch conservatives. The liberals are above average intelligence, hence they are allured to the closed logical simplicity and seeming "fairness" of the socialist model, however that's where they stop. They refuse to analyze the impact on individual rights and economics that their socialist utopian visions ignore.

I can't remember the quote from your post but it was something like "all extremists are wrong." I know I didn't quote it exactly right. Do you see the extremism and reactionaryism of making that statement?

Your neat categorization of people into proactive and reactive is a bit simplistic and wonky. Once again you're making categories, and assigning moral values to the categories. Someday you'll put us all in the correct category and judge us accordingly I suppose. You claim to be against this sort of thing. But you're doing it.

Conservatives do not exalt the grey area of moral ambivalence that liberals feel gives them superiority over everyone else. What upsets liberals is the convictions of others.


Please take this in the spirit of discovery in which it is intended. I'm anxious to hear about myself as well.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by jon_forward
someone that I wouldnt mind having as a neighbor...but I think on Sept 7th the other neighbors may get a little ticked off.

Sept 7th? an explanation would be helpful

 

[jon_forward]

is that not your B-d?

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by jon_forward
is that not your B-d?

yup, i got it now

 

[MtnBiker]

It seems you have beliefs that support both conservative and liberal ideals, however lean more to the right. But I would not classify you the same as I have not classified DK.

You do not like guns, but do you support the idea of the 2nd amendment and private ownership of guns?

There are alot of conservative people who cannot get behind the patriot act.

Should the government be in a postion where by it decides how wealth should be redistrubuted?

 

[Moi]

If I had to label you, I'd label you true. No matter what others think, we all have to be true to ourselves. No one has the right or should trample on you for your beliefs. The way you express them is fair game, in my book, but the fact that you have personal beliefs about certain things just means you are human first, american second and yourself above all.

For the record...

For years I was registered as a republican - now Im not

I am not registered anything- I vote according to whom I think will do the best job.

I am not against gay marriage.

I am against gay marriage for the simple reason that it legitimizes something I do not believe should be. And not for religious reasons.

I am not against abortion, although I think that complete pro choice is taken to an extreme and I DESPISE those who would use prochoice as an excuse or means of birth control-thats sick.

I am neither for nor against abortion. Killing is sometimes convenient and necessary so I can't oppose it on those grounds. However, I can't see that there is a constitutional protection for it- it isn't there. And I can't condone one single dollar of government money paying for it.

I cannot get behind the patriot act - I just cant

I can. I do not believe that it is any more infringing than the laws we already have which grant authority for search and seizure. Anything, if handled incorrectly, can lead to corruption. The fact is that the most trouble government and officials get into is by not following laws, not following bad ones.


I hate war - of any sort.

I can both revile it and understand and accept its necessity.


Im a hypocrite: meaning, I dont feel that anyone has the right to play god and decide who lives and dies (capitol punishment)

I believe that criminals should be removed from society, permanently.

....however, if someone hurt my kids or my husband, Id rip them apart and love every minute of it.

I would have no problem killing someone who even attempted to hurt my son.

Im an environmentalist.

Me too.

Im metaphysical, deeply spiritual, but not religious at all.

I believe in the greater good but not god.

I feel that the biggest problem (or at least one of the largest) is a complete and total lack of moral fiber in this country.

Hell yeah.

I feel that people do not take enough personal responsibility.

Hell yeah.

I feel that if youre not PROactive then youre REactive - no exceptions...and if youre NOT PROactive, then youre part of the problem.

I hate guns - but again, if anyone touched my children, Id pistol whip the shit out of them and then start shooting - at first not to kill, but to maim and cause pain, leaving the rotten bastard (or bitch) to bleed out and die in agony. (damn I am SUCH a hypocrite)

I love guns. They are cool. Having said that, I think that those who own them bear the responsibility to make sure they are used properly.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Sir Evil
KL - I think of you as a good example of being opened minded!

Even with her stern rebuke of those who are "reactive"?



I am offended. I am reactive. I react to things. Especially terrorists.

 

[KLSuddeth]

RightWingAvenger:

In response to:

I can't remember the quote from your post but it was something like "all extremists are wrong." I know I didn't quote it exactly right. Do you see the extremism and reactionaryism of making that statement?

My God, youre right. I cannot deny it and thank you for pointing it out. As I said, one of the things that I dont much like about myself is that I KNOW Im a hypocrite. (lol) However, I truly didnt see the hypocrisy in this statement until you pointed it out in that way - thank you much! I must think on this.

In your last post you said you were offended - I have to be honest and say, if I were you, I would be too. *craps to me*

However, I dont think conservatives are horrible. DK and I have had some big time debates over this - and the end result is that we both see good in both areas.....I simply am more conservative than he is on many things. I do applaud and admire his, yours and many others on this board's knowledge and understanding AND heartfelt conviction in their beliefs. I admitedly am NOT as politically aware as I SHOULD or COULD be and for that, I give myself a big thumbs down. I mean, how can I moan and groan if I dont bother to make myself fully aware of the issues?

I can see where my concept of pro and re active is simplistic and wonky. I know that I have a weird outlook on many things (according to others).....however, it IS how I feel. Am I proactive? Not nearly as much as I should or could be. Youre right.....Im judging you and that is something I ought'nt do...accept my sincere apologies. *again, craps to me*

The first reason that I even came on this board was to see what in the HELL DK found so interesting and intruiging about it (lol)
Then I started reading some posts and I realized something....I realized that I could get one hell of an education here - on ALL sides.....and thats what I want. I want to learn. I dont want to learn only about one side - I want to further my knowledge regarding the whole picture....I still believe that Truth lies somewhere within a balance of 'the sides'. I am and always will be a student at heart....I guess Ive been one for so long that old habits die hard LOL

You may or may not believe this....I hope you do....but I have the utmost respect for your response to my post. Youve made me think - and I WILL be thinking about everything youve said for quite sometime and IF youre interested, Id like to share my conclusions with you when I come to one/some/any.

Again, many thanks for your reply.....yours was one I was looking forward to.

Blessings,
Lanyce

 

[acludem]

KL, you and I think a lot a like. We don't register with a party in my state, though I'm active in the Democratic Party. I agree with you on just about everything else - abortion, gay marriage, war, guns, etc. The moral fiber thing troubles me some, because I don't know how you define moral fiber. I'm a big environmentalist - in fact my best friend and I spent about most of today in one of our local wildlife refuges exploring and picking up trash. The Patriot Act is an abomination. People suing tobacco companies, fast-food restaurants, etc. irritates the hell out of me. I am a Buddhist, so yes I'm religious (though I've been accused by some Christians, not in here of course, of not being religious because I don't believe in their concept of God). I think we should try to be proactive, but sometimes you have to be reactive. No one can possibly anticipate every scenario. Anyhoo, I look forward to hearing what you have to say in other threads.

acludem

 

[KLSuddeth]

I want to reply to each person who was kind enough to respond and I will. You have all given me MUCH to think about.

Its going to be at least a day or so before I can due to my having a client that is in from San Diego.

Thank you for taking the time to assist me in learning.

*TO DK*
This is the ONLY time I will say this, dear one.... (LOL)

I was Wr........Wr...... WRONG (ick - bleh - I hate that LOL) about giving you so much shit for being on this board. You were right, I AM enjoying myself! You were also right about the people on here being pretty damn cool - even the ones that I may not agree with. Thanks for turning me onto this site.

With that being said - I dont see where I need to admit my 'not being right' for a long long time! LMAO heehee!

Blessings to all,
Lanyce

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by KLSuddeth
I want to reply to each person who was kind enough to respond and I will. You have all given me MUCH to think about.

Its going to be at least a day or so before I can due to my having a client that is in from San Diego.

Thank you for taking the time to assist me in learning.

*TO DK*
This is the ONLY time I will say this, dear one.... (LOL)

I was Wr........Wr...... WRONG (ick - bleh - I hate that LOL) about giving you so much shit for being on this board. You were right, I AM enjoying myself! You were also right about the people on here being pretty damn cool - even the ones that I may not agree with. Thanks for turning me onto this site.

With that being said - I dont see where I need to admit my 'not being right' for a long long time! LMAO heehee!

Blessings to all,
Lanyce

who the hell are you and what did you do with my wife? :

 

[jon_forward]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
who the hell are you and what did you do with my wife? :

the "other" a......Ladies havent got to her have they????

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by jon_forward
the "other" a......Ladies havent got to her have they????

not that I'm aware of........yet

 

[5stringJeff]

Originally posted by KLSuddeth
Here is my question for those of you who would answer it......If I could have my preference, I would really love to have the replies of the following people included:
Jim, RightWing Avenger, Sir Evil, Moi, MtnBiker, WonderWench, Crazy Liberal, as well as anyone else who cares to reply. (DK, I didnt include you because I already KNOW you'll answer - god knows that we debate enough about this LOL :::grin::

OK, I'm not on your list (sniff) but if you'll accept my answer, here it is.

For years I was registered as a republican - now Im not
I am not against gay marriage.
I am not against abortion, although I think that complete pro choice is taken to an extreme and I DESPISE those who would use prochoice as an excuse or means of birth control-thats sick.
I cannot get behind the patriot act - I just cant
I hate war - of any sort.
Im a hypocrite: meaning, I dont feel that anyone has the right to play god and decide who lives and dies (capitol punishment)....however, if someone hurt my kids or my husband, Id rip them apart and love every minute of it.
Im an environmentalist.
Im metaphysical, deeply spiritual, but not religious at all.
I feel that the biggest problem (or at least one of the largest) is a complete and total lack of moral fiber in this country.
I feel that people do not take enough personal responsibility.
I feel that if youre not PROactive then youre REactive - no exceptions...and if youre NOT PROactive, then youre part of the problem.
I feel that anyone that goes to extremes (Im speaking of beliefs) is wrong - whether youre considered a 'fucking hippy liberal' or a 'rotten ass neo-con'....the problem is the lack of balance and tolerance.
I feel that technology outweighs the spiritual nature thereby throwing off the balance completely.
I hate guns - but again, if anyone touched my children, Id pistol whip the shit out of them and then start shooting - at first not to kill, but to maim and cause pain, leaving the rotten bastard (or bitch) to bleed out and die in agony. (damn I am SUCH a hypocrite)

When we go out to classify people for political purposes, we use a scale of 1-5: 1-strong GOP, 2-weak GOP, 3-independent/moderate, 4-weak Dem, 5-strong Dem. Based on what you posted, I would put you down as a 3 or 4. It really depends on what issues get you the most worked up. For instance, if your anti-war stance was the most important issue to you, I'd make you a 4. If the moral fiber of the nation, or the personal responsiblitly issue was most important to you, I'd make you a 3.
The good thing, though, is that it sounds like you really put a lot of thought into your political stances, which I think is great. Too many people just toe the party line (like people who put GOP in the front of thier screen nam... oh, wait...)

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by gop_jeff
OK, I'm not on your list (sniff) but if you'll accept my answer, here it is.



When we go out to classify people for political purposes, we use a scale of 1-5: 1-strong GOP, 2-weak GOP, 3-independent/moderate, 4-weak Dem, 5-strong Dem. Based on what you posted, I would put you down as a 3 or 4. It really depends on what issues get you the most worked up. For instance, if your anti-war stance was the most important issue to you, I'd make you a 4. If the moral fiber of the nation, or the personal responsiblitly issue was most important to you, I'd make you a 3.
The good thing, though, is that it sounds like you really put a lot of thought into your political stances, which I think is great. Too many people just toe the party line (like people who put GOP in the front of thier screen nam... oh, wait...)

Like people's whose very screen name indicates extreme political partisanship combined with delusions of grandeur?

 

[5stringJeff]

Like people's whose very screen name indicates extreme political partisanship combined with delusions of grandeur?

Exactly!

 

[rtwngAvngr]

As a followup Gopjeff: who's the "we" in " when we classify people"? You and your many other internal personalities?