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Depends. Filipinos, Hmongs, Cambodian, and Vietnamese all tell me cops do the same shit to them pretty much. Japanese and Chinese are the model minority. At least until whites find a reason to become afraid of them too.For what its worth. A quick peruse of the BLM site tells you its not just the murders. Its the constant violence Black people endure at the hands of the cops.
Funny how there isn’t constant violence against Asians at the hands of cops
For what its worth. A quick peruse of the BLM site tells you its not just the murders. Its the constant violence Black people endure at the hands of the cops.
Funny how there isn’t constant violence against Asians at the hands of cops
Depends. Filipinos, Hmongs, Cambodian, and Vietnamese all tell me cops do the same shit to them pretty much. Japanese and Chinese are the model minority. At least until whites find a reason to become afraid of them too.For what its worth. A quick peruse of the BLM site tells you its not just the murders. Its the constant violence Black people endure at the hands of the cops.
Funny how there isn’t constant violence against Asians at the hands of cops
TBH, this has always been pretty damn obvious but the new religion is to call and/or see race in everything and is taking away from the real conversation IMHO.BLM. However, here are some facts. Data. No emotion. Just facts
Make of it what you will. Ignore the header (in the sense, what is being said is mostly true, but it is to grab the reader). Interesting read.
Think police are killers targeting black Americans? The data shows that couldn't be further from the truth.
Anti-police rhetoric is spreading across the country faster than the virus because disinformation about racist police shootings fuels its transmission.www.lawenforcementtoday.com
When a white guy is killed by the same method that killed Floyd except this time the cops were LAUGHING at him while killing him no one marched for him. Cities did not burn. There were no protests. The media virtually ignored it entirely. The reality is that it does not fit a narrative of a massively racist nation so no one gives a rats ass and I really am tired of the horse shit lies surrounding this reality.
We need to address the very real problem with militarizing the police and better deescalation training/taking a better approach to apprehending people in general. Racializing it does nothing but divide the nation and end up leading to ineffective or nonexistent solutions. As it is, it looks like this is not going to lead to any real reforms as well even though there are some solid ideas on the board. I would like to see an end to the power of police unions to protect the bad apples, make it so other areas are not rehiring those bad apples, universal body cams and ending special communities that police have. We could learn a whole lot from European cops as well:
You do not have to shoot every perp that is armed - every other civilized nation seems to understand that the police can subdue people without killing them.
Funny enough we likely need more funding of police for better outcomes rather than the silly defund the police mantra falling out of the mouths of people today.
I have no idea where folks get this notion that all people are the same no matter where you go. It's totally false.
You take any European police officer and have them work in Detroit using the same methods they used in their own country, they would be dead in the first or second violent confrontation.
We are not a single-race country where people are predictable. We are a multi-race country. Apples and oranges. According to statistics, you are eight times more likely to be killed by a black than a white. Behind their criminal behavior are Hispanics.
People are not the same everywhere so you can't treat them the same, use the same strategies, or expect the same outcome.
Define law enforcement. Define security forcesThey do. But they are very very very rare. And that is the point of the article.
Yep, that's what the LEO propaganda tells us. Reality is way different.
Rate per 10 million peopleBurundi 53.9Democratic Republic of the Congo 47.8United States 46.6Iraq 45.1Nigeria 44Kenya 43.5Iran 36.6Angola 34.7Colombia 34.1Mali 32.3Sudan 32.1Rwanda 31Mexico 30Bangladesh 28.3Pakistan 25.2Swaziland 22.1Argentina 21.6Egypt 21.2Malta 20Luxembourg 16.9Canada 9.7France 3.8Indonesia 2.9Netherlands 2.3New Zealand 2.1Norway 1.9Finland 1.8Belgium 1.7Nepal 1.7Australia 1.7Germany 1.3Hong Kong 1.3India 1Portugal 1Sweden 1Taiwan 0.8United Kingdom 0.5
Law enforcement in the U.S. are killing citizens at more than 90 times the rate UK law enforcement does. By no reasonable standards can that be called "rare". In that egregiously high number of killed citizens, Blacks are still over-represented, despite Black parents having "The Talk" with their kids as they enter the most rigorously profiled age group, so as to prepare them for encounters with the cops, reducing the likelihood to have their kids killed. White parents do not, need not, do that.
Of course, no LEO propaganda can do without pointing to black-on-black crime, as the retarded notion has it, excusing away murderous cops. The conclusion should be that cops do not consistently serve and protect black communities and neighborhoods, neither from the systemic racism with their own ranks, nor from the rampant criminality in those neighborhoods.
TBH, this has always been pretty damn obvious but the new religion is to call and/or see race in everything and is taking away from the real conversation IMHO.BLM. However, here are some facts. Data. No emotion. Just facts
Make of it what you will. Ignore the header (in the sense, what is being said is mostly true, but it is to grab the reader). Interesting read.
Think police are killers targeting black Americans? The data shows that couldn't be further from the truth.
Anti-police rhetoric is spreading across the country faster than the virus because disinformation about racist police shootings fuels its transmission.
When a white guy is killed by the same method that killed Floyd except this time the cops were LAUGHING at him while killing him no one marched for him. Cities did not burn. There were no protests. The media virtually ignored it entirely. The reality is that it does not fit a narrative of a massively racist nation so no one gives a rats ass and I really am tired of the horse shit lies surrounding this reality.
We need to address the very real problem with militarizing the police and better deescalation training/taking a better approach to apprehending people in general. Racializing it does nothing but divide the nation and end up leading to ineffective or nonexistent solutions. As it is, it looks like this is not going to lead to any real reforms as well even though there are some solid ideas on the board. I would like to see an end to the power of police unions to protect the bad apples, make it so other areas are not rehiring those bad apples, universal body cams and ending special communities that police have. We could learn a whole lot from European cops as well:
You do not have to shoot every perp that is armed - every other civilized nation seems to understand that the police can subdue people without killing them.
Funny enough we likely need more funding of police for better outcomes rather than the silly defund the police mantra falling out of the mouths of people today.
I have no idea where folks get this notion that all people are the same no matter where you go. It's totally false.
You take any European police officer and have them work in Detroit using the same methods they used in their own country, they would be dead in the first or second violent confrontation.
We are not a single-race country where people are predictable. We are a multi-race country. Apples and oranges. According to statistics, you are eight times more likely to be killed by a black than a white. Behind their criminal behavior are Hispanics.
People are not the same everywhere so you can't treat them the same, use the same strategies, or expect the same outcome.
No you cant however I have zero doubt that Detroit can produce better outcomes than they currently have. Not tracking statistics accurately, a union that exists to protect the trash, an atmosphere that my gang is stronger than your gang, equipment that is not tailored to the specific situation, a complete lack of reason in the way we approach apprehending dangerous people (such as no knock warrants) and the utter lack of deescalation mentality are just a few of the serious flaws in the way we handle policing here.
We are supposed to be a free nation, we should act like it. If the police had nailed Koresh as he was at local store picking up food WACO would have never happened but instead they had to lay siege to an armed compound. It is just crazy.
For what its worth. A quick peruse of the BLM site tells you its not just the murders. Its the constant violence Black people endure at the hands of the cops.
Funny how there isn’t constant violence against Asians at the hands of cops
I wonder if Asian households teach their youth to hate cops?
I wonder if Asians have the iQ to comply when confronted by cops?
I wonder if Asians escalate the situation when confronted by cops?
TBH, this has always been pretty damn obvious but the new religion is to call and/or see race in everything and is taking away from the real conversation IMHO.BLM. However, here are some facts. Data. No emotion. Just facts
Make of it what you will. Ignore the header (in the sense, what is being said is mostly true, but it is to grab the reader). Interesting read.
Think police are killers targeting black Americans? The data shows that couldn't be further from the truth.
Anti-police rhetoric is spreading across the country faster than the virus because disinformation about racist police shootings fuels its transmission.
When a white guy is killed by the same method that killed Floyd except this time the cops were LAUGHING at him while killing him no one marched for him. Cities did not burn. There were no protests. The media virtually ignored it entirely. The reality is that it does not fit a narrative of a massively racist nation so no one gives a rats ass and I really am tired of the horse shit lies surrounding this reality.
We need to address the very real problem with militarizing the police and better deescalation training/taking a better approach to apprehending people in general. Racializing it does nothing but divide the nation and end up leading to ineffective or nonexistent solutions. As it is, it looks like this is not going to lead to any real reforms as well even though there are some solid ideas on the board. I would like to see an end to the power of police unions to protect the bad apples, make it so other areas are not rehiring those bad apples, universal body cams and ending special communities that police have. We could learn a whole lot from European cops as well:
You do not have to shoot every perp that is armed - every other civilized nation seems to understand that the police can subdue people without killing them.
Funny enough we likely need more funding of police for better outcomes rather than the silly defund the police mantra falling out of the mouths of people today.
I have no idea where folks get this notion that all people are the same no matter where you go. It's totally false.
You take any European police officer and have them work in Detroit using the same methods they used in their own country, they would be dead in the first or second violent confrontation.
We are not a single-race country where people are predictable. We are a multi-race country. Apples and oranges. According to statistics, you are eight times more likely to be killed by a black than a white. Behind their criminal behavior are Hispanics.
People are not the same everywhere so you can't treat them the same, use the same strategies, or expect the same outcome.
No you cant however I have zero doubt that Detroit can produce better outcomes than they currently have. Not tracking statistics accurately, a union that exists to protect the trash, an atmosphere that my gang is stronger than your gang, equipment that is not tailored to the specific situation, a complete lack of reason in the way we approach apprehending dangerous people (such as no knock warrants) and the utter lack of deescalation mentality are just a few of the serious flaws in the way we handle policing here.
We are supposed to be a free nation, we should act like it. If the police had nailed Koresh as he was at local store picking up food WACO would have never happened but instead they had to lay siege to an armed compound. It is just crazy.
That was under Bill Clinton, the same President that had authorities hold a gun to the head of Elián González as a baby.
I don't remember if Koresh ever left the compound. I would think given the fact he was the leader, he had minions doing that kind of work. But if he did shop himself, you are correct, they should have apprehended him when he was alone in town and away from his followers.
Yes the justice system needs reform as well. That does not lift the need for policing reforms also. And gun control is beside the point, I am against essentially any further gun control laws particularly considering every single one that has been proposed in the last 20 years has been asinine. I am less sure what we need to do in that area though as it is far more complex IMHO. In general I am against minimums or maximums as it never leads to common sense effects but we have a serious problem when child molesters get less time than petty criminals. The facts around Epistein more than establish how sick our judicial system is particularly for the politically connected.The real question here is do our police need reform or do our criminals? What does a judge sentence a person who ran from police, fought with police, and didn't cooperate with police? A few extra months if that??? I'd be willing to bet if the suspect was arrested on a more serious charge, the fighting with our police charge is dropped.
It's the same problem we have with guns in our country. A person illegally carrying a gun gets a slap on the hand. If using that gun in a crime, maybe two slaps on the hand. And then we can't figure out why criminals always use guns to commit their crimes.
Law should be a minimum of 15 years just for the gun charge in a crime, on top of the crime itself. That would have a hell of a lot better result than trying to disarm law abiding citizens.
TBH, this has always been pretty damn obvious but the new religion is to call and/or see race in everything and is taking away from the real conversation IMHO.BLM. However, here are some facts. Data. No emotion. Just facts
Make of it what you will. Ignore the header (in the sense, what is being said is mostly true, but it is to grab the reader). Interesting read.
Think police are killers targeting black Americans? The data shows that couldn't be further from the truth.
Anti-police rhetoric is spreading across the country faster than the virus because disinformation about racist police shootings fuels its transmission.
When a white guy is killed by the same method that killed Floyd except this time the cops were LAUGHING at him while killing him no one marched for him. Cities did not burn. There were no protests. The media virtually ignored it entirely. The reality is that it does not fit a narrative of a massively racist nation so no one gives a rats ass and I really am tired of the horse shit lies surrounding this reality.
We need to address the very real problem with militarizing the police and better deescalation training/taking a better approach to apprehending people in general. Racializing it does nothing but divide the nation and end up leading to ineffective or nonexistent solutions. As it is, it looks like this is not going to lead to any real reforms as well even though there are some solid ideas on the board. I would like to see an end to the power of police unions to protect the bad apples, make it so other areas are not rehiring those bad apples, universal body cams and ending special communities that police have. We could learn a whole lot from European cops as well:
You do not have to shoot every perp that is armed - every other civilized nation seems to understand that the police can subdue people without killing them.
Funny enough we likely need more funding of police for better outcomes rather than the silly defund the police mantra falling out of the mouths of people today.
I have no idea where folks get this notion that all people are the same no matter where you go. It's totally false.
You take any European police officer and have them work in Detroit using the same methods they used in their own country, they would be dead in the first or second violent confrontation.
We are not a single-race country where people are predictable. We are a multi-race country. Apples and oranges. According to statistics, you are eight times more likely to be killed by a black than a white. Behind their criminal behavior are Hispanics.
People are not the same everywhere so you can't treat them the same, use the same strategies, or expect the same outcome.
No you cant however I have zero doubt that Detroit can produce better outcomes than they currently have. Not tracking statistics accurately, a union that exists to protect the trash, an atmosphere that my gang is stronger than your gang, equipment that is not tailored to the specific situation, a complete lack of reason in the way we approach apprehending dangerous people (such as no knock warrants) and the utter lack of deescalation mentality are just a few of the serious flaws in the way we handle policing here.
We are supposed to be a free nation, we should act like it. If the police had nailed Koresh as he was at local store picking up food WACO would have never happened but instead they had to lay siege to an armed compound. It is just crazy.
That was under Bill Clinton, the same President that had authorities hold a gun to the head of Elián González as a baby.
I don't remember if Koresh ever left the compound. I would think given the fact he was the leader, he had minions doing that kind of work. But if he did shop himself, you are correct, they should have apprehended him when he was alone in town and away from his followers.
Did not say anything about the administration it was under. This is a pervasive problem not a political one.
He left all the time and it was well known at the time as well.
Yes the justice system needs reform as well. That does not lift the need for policing reforms also. And gun control is beside the point, I am against essentially any further gun control laws particularly considering every single one that has been proposed in the last 20 years has been asinine. I am less sure what we need to do in that area though as it is far more complex IMHO. In general I am against minimums or maximums as it never leads to common sense effects but we have a serious problem when child molesters get less time than petty criminals. The facts around Epistein more than establish how sick our judicial system is particularly for the politically connected.The real question here is do our police need reform or do our criminals? What does a judge sentence a person who ran from police, fought with police, and didn't cooperate with police? A few extra months if that??? I'd be willing to bet if the suspect was arrested on a more serious charge, the fighting with our police charge is dropped.
It's the same problem we have with guns in our country. A person illegally carrying a gun gets a slap on the hand. If using that gun in a crime, maybe two slaps on the hand. And then we can't figure out why criminals always use guns to commit their crimes.
Law should be a minimum of 15 years just for the gun charge in a crime, on top of the crime itself. That would have a hell of a lot better result than trying to disarm law abiding citizens.
I think you offer a lot of reason too, on several aspects.
However, when I talk about rhetoric, I simply mean that - rhetoric. I want you to back it up with facts, not a 'feeling'. Most of the above are you thoughts, not facts.
When you say 'way' to many, do you mean blacks, or people in general? I agree if you say people in general. I feel a lot of US police are too trigger happy. I was more concerned about the Rayshard Brooks killing. I feel the George killing, though brutal, was not intended. I don't think the cop was racist or had the intention to kill George. Was he neglectful in his duty? Absolutely. Does he deserve to lose his job, be charged, and spend some time in the slammer? Yep. However, the Brooks killing was deliberate. And I don't know whether the cop himself is to blame, or his training and what he is told to do in those situations.
I disagree the war on drugs was implemented by the police. It was implemented by politicians and enforced by the police. Is there racial profiling during police stops? I believe so. But I stand by the fact that black people also have to start helping themselves. There are far too many successful black people - 36,000 millionaires according to IM2 - for them to keep on blaming whitey for their woes. This past paragraph are my thoughts on the subject, not facts.
That’s not the message being pushed by mainstream BLM though. You can’t deny the overall message is that cops are racist murderers. To say that police being rough with black citizens is the cannon of BLM vs the cops=racist murderers would be like saying communist mainly care about daycare for single mothers.For what its worth. A quick peruse of the BLM site tells you its not just the murders. Its the constant violence Black people endure at the hands of the cops. To assume or convey this is just about killings is to minimize and trivialize the problem.
" Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes. By combating and countering acts of violence, creating space for Black imagination and innovation, and centering Black joy, we are winning immediate improvements in our lives. "
As to those famed 36k millionaires - how many are in sports, music, entertainment? No matter, that doesn't change the fact that median Black wealth is a tiny fraction of White wealth, and that's due to a long history of racism and discrimination going on to this very day, albeit in slightly subtler ways.
"they all have one thing in common..."Not true in the least....A lot of people, of all ethnicities, have been killed in no-knock raids at the wrong house, who were moving to defend themselves from people they believed to be intruders.In every case where a person (regardless of color) is harmed or killed by the police, they all have one thing in common: they didn't obey the commands by the officers. So what would have happened if they did? They'd all be alive today.
Any links to your claim? I would venture to say it happens very rarely.
The point is this exact same shit happens to people of all races.I think you offer a lot of reason too, on several aspects.
However, when I talk about rhetoric, I simply mean that - rhetoric. I want you to back it up with facts, not a 'feeling'. Most of the above are you thoughts, not facts.
When you say 'way' to many, do you mean blacks, or people in general? I agree if you say people in general. I feel a lot of US police are too trigger happy. I was more concerned about the Rayshard Brooks killing. I feel the George killing, though brutal, was not intended. I don't think the cop was racist or had the intention to kill George. Was he neglectful in his duty? Absolutely. Does he deserve to lose his job, be charged, and spend some time in the slammer? Yep. However, the Brooks killing was deliberate. And I don't know whether the cop himself is to blame, or his training and what he is told to do in those situations.
I disagree the war on drugs was implemented by the police. It was implemented by politicians and enforced by the police. Is there racial profiling during police stops? I believe so. But I stand by the fact that black people also have to start helping themselves. There are far too many successful black people - 36,000 millionaires according to IM2 - for them to keep on blaming whitey for their woes. This past paragraph are my thoughts on the subject, not facts.
Read. Carefully.
George Floyd's murderer had a long history of complaints. There is precedent for this method of killing, dating back at least to the late 90s, widely reported, and the killer back then got away with it. Yeah, that was cold-blooded murder, after they had Floyd hand-cuffed and in the police car. The goon dragged him out of the car for no reason other than to murder him before cameras and despite reminders that humans need to breathe to survive.
As to those famed 36k millionaires - how many are in sports, music, entertainment? No matter, that doesn't change the fact that median Black wealth is a tiny fraction of White wealth, and that's due to a long history of racism and discrimination going on to this very day, albeit in slightly subtler ways. A few Blacks making it doesn't change that any more than a Bill Gates would demonstrate anything about under-educated rural White's chances of becoming rich. The system is rigged, and Blacks overwhelmingly end up on the wrong side of several societal fault lines.
"they all have one thing in common..."Not true in the least....A lot of people, of all ethnicities, have been killed in no-knock raids at the wrong house, who were moving to defend themselves from people they believed to be intruders.In every case where a person (regardless of color) is harmed or killed by the police, they all have one thing in common: they didn't obey the commands by the officers. So what would have happened if they did? They'd all be alive today.
Any links to your claim? I would venture to say it happens very rarely.
"All" being what we call a universal qualifier....All I would need is one example of this happening for your statement to be false...I assure you that it's far more than one instance where this travesty has happened.
Here, look it up for yourself.....Keywords: "innocent people killed no knock raids".
There are other ways to brutalize people besides shooting and killing them.BLM. However, here are some facts. Data. No emotion. Just facts
Make of it what you will. Ignore the header (in the sense, what is being said is mostly true, but it is to grab the reader). Interesting read.
Think police are killers targeting black Americans? The data shows that couldn't be further from the truth.
Anti-police rhetoric is spreading across the country faster than the virus because disinformation about racist police shootings fuels its transmission.
Shooting someone in the back is fully justified under the right circumstances.Back shooting murdering cops do exist and that's a fact. Unjustified killings of anyone needs to end.BLM. However, here are some facts. Data. No emotion. Just facts
Make of it what you will. Ignore the header (in the sense, what is being said is mostly true, but it is to grab the reader). Interesting read.
Think police are killers targeting black Americans? The data shows that couldn't be further from the truth.
Anti-police rhetoric is spreading across the country faster than the virus because disinformation about racist police shootings fuels its transmission.
99 percent of murdered blacks in the USA are murdered by other black people.Back shooting murdering cops do exist and that's a fact. Unjustified killings of anyone needs to end.BLM. However, here are some facts. Data. No emotion. Just facts
Make of it what you will. Ignore the header (in the sense, what is being said is mostly true, but it is to grab the reader). Interesting read.
Think police are killers targeting black Americans? The data shows that couldn't be further from the truth.
Anti-police rhetoric is spreading across the country faster than the virus because disinformation about racist police shootings fuels its transmission.
Breonna Taylor is the obvious one at the moment."they all have one thing in common..."Not true in the least....A lot of people, of all ethnicities, have been killed in no-knock raids at the wrong house, who were moving to defend themselves from people they believed to be intruders.In every case where a person (regardless of color) is harmed or killed by the police, they all have one thing in common: they didn't obey the commands by the officers. So what would have happened if they did? They'd all be alive today.
Any links to your claim? I would venture to say it happens very rarely.
"All" being what we call a universal qualifier....All I would need is one example of this happening for your statement to be false...I assure you that it's far more than one instance where this travesty has happened.
Here, look it up for yourself.....Keywords: "innocent people killed no knock raids".
What qualifies a person as innocent? Let's say they are going to storm a drug house. The person they are after left to get something at the store, but his or her druggie friends are still in the living room.
As you might have already guessed by my avatar, I'm a pretty big proponent on self-defense. My guns are loaded and at my bedside. Unless I'm in my bedroom and the cops break down my door all of a sudden, there is no way I would be able to run to my bedroom, retrieve my gun, and then shoot at cops
I've seen those no-knock raids on police shows on television. The first thing they do after busting down he door is scream that they are the police. But they can't perform this action willy nilly. They not only have to get a warrant from a judge, but the warrant has to specify no-knock.
It is dangerous, but on the other hand, no-knock warrants are issued for the safety of the police and to help assure their mission is successful. Police announcing themselves gives the suspect time to dispose of evidence such as drugs down the toilet. It may also give them enough time to get a gun and be prepared for when they do bust down that door.
Breonna Taylor is the obvious one at the moment."they all have one thing in common..."Not true in the least....A lot of people, of all ethnicities, have been killed in no-knock raids at the wrong house, who were moving to defend themselves from people they believed to be intruders.In every case where a person (regardless of color) is harmed or killed by the police, they all have one thing in common: they didn't obey the commands by the officers. So what would have happened if they did? They'd all be alive today.
Any links to your claim? I would venture to say it happens very rarely.
"All" being what we call a universal qualifier....All I would need is one example of this happening for your statement to be false...I assure you that it's far more than one instance where this travesty has happened.
Here, look it up for yourself.....Keywords: "innocent people killed no knock raids".
What qualifies a person as innocent? Let's say they are going to storm a drug house. The person they are after left to get something at the store, but his or her druggie friends are still in the living room.
As you might have already guessed by my avatar, I'm a pretty big proponent on self-defense. My guns are loaded and at my bedside. Unless I'm in my bedroom and the cops break down my door all of a sudden, there is no way I would be able to run to my bedroom, retrieve my gun, and then shoot at cops
I've seen those no-knock raids on police shows on television. The first thing they do after busting down he door is scream that they are the police. But they can't perform this action willy nilly. They not only have to get a warrant from a judge, but the warrant has to specify no-knock.
It is dangerous, but on the other hand, no-knock warrants are issued for the safety of the police and to help assure their mission is successful. Police announcing themselves gives the suspect time to dispose of evidence such as drugs down the toilet. It may also give them enough time to get a gun and be prepared for when they do bust down that door.
No knock warrants are not safer for the police. Kicking in the door of anyone armed unannounced is the quickest way to ensure a gun fight. Safer would be to wait till they left the house and apprehend them at that point. If they never leave then they can starve.
